Do I need to register my usufruct with other government agencies and can I get a blue house book as a foreigner?

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I have a couple questions regarding Usufructs. Already have one which has been duly registered at the provincial land office, but I’m wondering whether it should also be registered with any other government agencies?
Two things prompted this question. First, I encountered another farang who told me that once you have the usufruct, you can get a blue house book instead of the yellow one. He hadn’t actually done that, but he swore it was true. I’m a bit skeptical, because I’ve always heard that the blue ones are only for Thai citizens, but I’m also curious whether any farangs out there have actually got their name in a blue house book and if so is there any advantage/disadvantage?
The second thing, occurred yesterday when I was extending my permit to stay in Thailand for another year. Immigration asked my wife to fill out a form that granted me permission to stay in her home. Sorry, didn’t notice the form number but my guess would be maybe a TM 30. Anyway, the extension was approved once she completed and signed the form, but afterwards I began to think that with our usufruct in place, that permission was a bit unnecessary, but much easier to fill out the form than going home to gather and copy the usufruct paperwork. Now, I’m wondering whether I should register the usufruct with immigration or leave it alone until such time that it might be required, which could potentially be never. Would appreciate any insight from anyone who has actually needed to use the provisions of a usufruct.

Ask Thailand · Answer

The user is inquiring about the registration of their usufruct and associated rights, specifically if additional government agency registration is necessary. They question the validity of obtaining a blue house book given their foreign status and whether a TM30 form is a requirement given their existing usufruct. Responses indicate that a usufruct must be registered at the provincial land office, and owning one does not grant automatic rights to a blue house book, which is reserved for Thai citizens. The TM30 registration remains necessary for foreigners, irrespective of the usufruct status.

GreenAlli********* · Answer

Isn't for most of us a registered 30 year lease just as good or even better than an usufruct?

For instance, the lease can have a sublease clause to allow you to sell or transfer it. Does an usufruct?

John ********** · Answer

On your TM30 point, every foreigner needs to have a TM30 registered by the person responsible for where they stay, having a usufruct doesn't remove that requirement. It's not giving you permission to stay, just recording where you stay

Rory ******* · Answer

A Usufruct gives you the right to live on and use the land. It's officially registered on the back of the Chanote title deed and filed at the Land Office. This makes it almost impossible for the Thai owner to sell the property, use it as collateral, or remove your name without your permission, as no one will buy or finance land with an active Usufruct attached to it.

Orlando ***** · Answer

The usufruct agreement (wise move) entitles you to live in the property it refers to until you die, but is completely independent from a visa. If you don't get a visa the usufruct is a moot point but the property owner must still get your agreement to sell the property before the deal can be concluded. If you have a valid visa you can live in the property and your name will be listed in the yellow book. The owner of the property will complete a TM30 to register you as a resident of the property.

SoftPap******* · Answer

A blue book is attached to a property,  not the person that owns the property.

Any thais that live in the property are recorded in the blue book, foriegners are never recorded in a blue book, they are recorded in a similar yellow house book. Both books have nothing to do with ownership of the property, leases, userfruct etc.

Adrian ********* · Answer

Ah you seem to have found the truth. An usufruct does not give you the right to a visa.

I find the fact that an usufruct can be valid until one dies quite terrifying!

It would mean I am.worth more dead than alive! 🤣

BreezyGi********* · Answer

A usufruct is only for people that have little or no understanding of Thailand. If someone wants you out of the house they will find a way.

To think it’s some type of benefit for immigration is even more ignorant and clueless

Trapper ******* · Answer

Usufruct holder here, and as far as I understand it, Blue Book is only for the land and in the Land Owners name.

Usufruct doesn't make us Land Owners, so we're limited to just the Yellow Book, and that's for the house/domicile not the land.

If I'm wrong, please let me know 🍻

Dave ******* · Answer

No just where you have it registered now on the land title

Do I need to register my usufruct with other government agencies and can I get a blue house book as a foreigner?

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