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Do I need a return flight booked for a Non-O retirement visa in Thailand?

Paul ************
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Hi im uk citizen UK London I'm over 60 and interested in a Non 0 retirement visa and ha e a pension do I have to have a return flight booked
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As a UK citizen over 60 considering a Non-O retirement visa for Thailand while holding a pension, you do not need a return flight booked if you apply for the visa before traveling. However, you must meet certain financial requirements to maintain your visa status. A pension alone is insufficient; you need evidence of a minimum of 800,000 THB in a Thai bank account for the visa extension, or a combination of income and deposits totaling that amount. The UK embassy no longer issues income affidavits, complicating the income proof process.
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Gregor **********
Gregor **********
And then, there is another method to acquire a 90-days Non-Imm-O retirement visa and the subsequent “one-year extension” on Immigration inside Thailand.

It is called “Change of Visa Type” and it is the change from a 60-days Tourist Visa or a 30-days Visa-Exempt entry, to a 90-days Non-imm-O visa.

Here, again, you CANNOT use your income as a proof, because Immigration would only accept an affidavit of income from your embassy, which your embassy does not issue any more.

So, in order to be allowed to apply for the “change” from the Tourist Visa to a “90-days Non-Imm-O retirement visa”, you need to have a minimum of 800.000.- THB sitting in your Thai bank account. No seasoning required at this point.

I won’t go into detail on how to open a Thai bank account on a tourist visa right after you arrived in Thailand, because any agent can do this for you for a circa 5000.- THB fee.

As soon as 30 days are left on the 90-days stay permit from the Non-Imm-O Visa, and when the 800.000.- have seasoned in your account for two months, you can apply for the “1-year extension of stay permit based on retirement” on Immigration. The fee is 1900.- THB, and I recommend buying a single re-entry permit for 1000.- THB, which will keep your stay permit alive should you exit Thailand for a trip abroad.
Gregor **********
Gregor **********
@Paul ***********
We are talking about the most common and persisting misunderstandings regarding the rules that come with applying for the “retirement visa” and the subsequent “one-year extension of stay permit based on retirement”

In order to apply for the “90-days Non-Imm-O retirement visa” through the online E-visa system at the Royal Thai Embassy London,

You can use the proof of income of a monthly minimum of 65.000.- THB, by using your pension letters.

However, for the application inside Thailand, for the “1-year extension of stay permit” out of the 90-days Non-Imm-O retirement visa,

you would need proof by a “12 months bank statement”, showing that for the past 12 months, you have been transferring from abroad to your Thai bank account a minimum of 65.000.- THB, month for month.

That’s why you CANNOT use the “income proof” in the first year.

Your embassy does NOT issue the “income affidavits” any more. Period.

So, for British citizens, there is no other way around, than depositing a minimum of 800.000.- THB in your Thai bank account and use this deposit for the financial proof which is required for the application to the “one year extension of stay permit”

On the day of application, the 800.000.- THB need to have “seasoned” in your account for two months, and this has to be proven with the “bank letter of guarantee” (rab roong thanakan).

After been issued the “Extension”, the 800K need to remain in the account for 3 more months. After the deposit shall never go under 400.000.- THB. And two months before your application for the next “one-year Extension of Stay”, the minimum of 800.000.- THB have to sit in the account, again
Lim ***********
Lim ***********
@Gregor *********
your detailed response should be pinned right on top of this group as FAQ..very clear and consice 👍😊
Paul ************
Paul ************
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@Gregor *********
hi ok I can't doo the 800 000 as I don't have that amount j only have a pension of 60.000 baht per month ot £12,170 00 a month ?
Henrik *****
Henrik *****
Perhaps you can supplement you 60.000 Baht pension with 5-6.000 Baht / month ( from savings ), and then transfer the required 65.000 Baht.
Gregor **********
Gregor **********
@Paul ***********
on SOME Immigrations, you could do the "combination method" where income and deposit must sum up to 800.000.- THB per year. However, you will meet the SAME problem: The part with income proof requires the12-months bank statement of 12 months, month for month, transfer from abroad to oyur Thai bank account. . . you DEFINITELY cannot use your income in any way in the FIRST year. You COULD arrive with a tourist visa or visa exempt, visit an agent in Pattaya and pay the "tea money" to grease the palms of Immigration, for a "retirement visa" without having to show own money. The agents fee will be somewhat from 32.000.- THB up, for this "not so fully legal"-method
Christopher *************
Christopher *************
In Short yes but will you meet the Financial requirements etc?
Matt *********
Matt *********
Take your time Paul…slowly..you will find the correct path…🙏
Wayne **********
Wayne **********
Hi how do I open a Thai bank account ready to save up the
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0 bhat
Ronald ***********
Ronald ***********
@Wayne *********
Bangkok bank!
Jan ******************
Jan ******************
@Wayne *********
Use an agent if you are on a tourist visa or visa exemption. It’s almost impossible without a Long Stay visa.
Henrik *****
Henrik *****
You will need a residence certificat from the Immigration, but you need to stay 3 month in Thailand before you can get that.

That also mean that you cant just go on a tourist visa.
Jan ******************
Jan ******************
@Henrik ****
I know this is the case in Bangkok and some other regions. In the tourist spots it’s no problem to get a residence certificate without the 90 days report. I did it both in Buriram and Pattaya when opened bank account, took my driver licenses and purchased motorcycle.
Henrik *****
Henrik *****
That’s why I wrote “probably” and I inform according to the official rules, as I write in the post.

And sometimes you meet a friendly Immigration office, that are willing to help you, but it is solely up to the discretion of the officer in front of you, and his / her decision is not up to discussion.
Paul ************
Paul ************
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@Henrik ****
hi so could I get a 60 visa apply for anoymther 30 days then go to immigration in thialand and apply for retirement visa or a 1 year visa
Paul ************
Paul ************
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@Henrik ****
I here some people purchase a cheap fight over the bordar
Henrik *****
Henrik *****
But you may still need a onward ticket to get on the plane from the departure airport.

The Airline can only see your ticket and your 60 day visa, and if they are not the same dates, then the airline risk to fly you back home if getting denied entry to Thailand.

Since you only have a 60 day touristvisa, the airline and the Immigration cannot see that you intend to ask for en extension at the end of the touristvisa.
Paul ************
Paul ************
OP
Also there is a 50 retirement visa No medical need and 800 .000baht or 65 000
Paul ************
Paul ************
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@Henrik ****
on the visa it say you can extend to 90 days so to get a onward ticket would be waisted
Henrik *****
Henrik *****
Yes, but you may need a onward ticket out of Thailand within the initial 60 days.
Paul ************
Paul ************
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@Henrik ****
um ok so on a tourist visa 60 day you can apply for for 30 more days making 90 days
Henrik *****
Henrik *****
For retirement visa you need to put 800.000 Baht into a Thai bankaccount.

To get a bank account you probably need a residence certificat from the Immigration, and going strictly by the rules, you can’t get that, if you are on a tourist visa.

Go to the Thai Embassy in your country’s website and read about the different visatypes.
Graham ******
Graham ******
@Henrik ****
Not before the initial Non-O (at least at most Immigration Offices), that just required the 800k. The 2 month seasoning is required for the first Extension.
Graham ******
Graham ******
@Wayne *********
By trying every branch available to you
Wayne **********
Wayne **********
@Graham *****
ok thanks but can you do from the UK
Wayne **********
Wayne **********
Graham ******
Graham ******
@Wayne *********
no, footwork only
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
If you apply for the non-O visa from the Thai embassy before you travel, you won't require a flight out of Thailand.

If you travel without a visa or on a tourist visa, you would need to check with your airline to see if they require it.

Please note that a pension will not allow you to apply for an extension of your non-O visa as the only proof of income immigration will accept is embassy certified income and the UK embassy does not offer this. That means you will need 800,000 baht in a Thai bank account in order to apply for an annual extension.
Paul ************
Paul ************
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@Brandon ***********
@Brandon ***********
Brandon Thurkettle hi im in uk at present so what visa should I apply for here
Jan ******************
Jan ******************
@Paul ***********
(little mistype in his comment…. In UK …before you travel-> Non O.)
Paul ************
Paul ************
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If I apply for 60 days here can I than apply for a non 0 retirement visa in thialand at imaginations
Gary **********
Gary **********
@Paul ***********
you can do it through a agent no need for money in bank just pay the agent and they will do it for you
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
@Paul ***********
your only other option is to apply for the non-OA visa. That gives you a 1 year visa but it requires a medical certificate and has a high insurance requirement. But the tradeoff is that it doesn't require any money in Thailand.

You'll have to return to the UK at least once every 2 years to apply for a new one though.
Henrik *****
Henrik *****
But the first year you must have 800.000 Baht in a Thai bank account to get a retirement visa, then year 2 you have evidence of monthly income over 65.000 Baht.

Don’t want to transfer 800.000 Baht = no retirement visa.
Paul ************
Paul ************
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@Graham *****
@Graham *****
Graham Seal hi to be honest I don't want to transfer 800k in a Thai bank what options do I have
Graham ******
Graham ******
@Paul ***********
Get the Non-O before you travel as it will make opening a Thai bank account much easier then you transfer 800k from an international souce to season for 2 months before applying for your extension
Paul ************
Paul ************
OP
Looking at visa they show non 0 retirement over 50 visa No medical
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baht no bank account needed
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
@Paul ***********
Non-O if that's what your goal is. Then you won't need proof of a ticket out of Thailand.

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