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Can I convert my tourist visa to a Non-O visa in Thailand or should I leave the country first?

David **********
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So, I'm in Thailand on my 30 day extension of my original 60 day tourist visa, which expires on March 24. I just got back from Bangkok where I got my income affidavit from the US embassy. I've heard it is possible to go to Samui immigration and convert my tourist visa into non O and then apply for yearly retirement extension. Has anybody done this? Could anyone explain the steps to me? Or is it better to leave the country on the 24th, and get a non O to begin with, and then come back for the yearly extension? I'd rather not have to leave the country if I don't have to. Thanks
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The user is currently on a 30-day extension of a tourist visa in Thailand and is seeking advice on whether to convert their visa to a Non-O visa at Samui immigration or leave the country to obtain a Non-O visa first. The comments suggest that applying for a Non-O visa from a Thai consulate outside Thailand is a viable option, considering the processing times and the user's limited remaining time on the tourist visa.
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Tod *********
Tod *********
You might look into applying for a year-long, multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type O-A (Long Stay) visa from a thai consulate in the US when you go back. That visa takes a police back ground check and a medical certificate but is good for unlimited entries/exits to the country for the validity of the visa (a year from the date it's issued) and you'd get stamped in for a completely new year every entry.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Cheryl *********
correct, :)
Cheryl **********
Cheryl **********
Tod, you must also meet financial requirement, correct? But with funds in a US bank account?
David **********
David **********
OP
So when I do the border bounce, should I apply for another tourist visa, or should I apply for the non O to start with? Does it take 14-21 days to get the non O outside of Thailand as well?
David **********
David **********
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@Be**
, I couldn't find anything there.
@T**
, sorry, I should have worded my request differently. I won't find out until I get to the consulate in Denpassar on Friday if they will process a request for a non-O visa. If they do, I still won't find out until then what paperwork they will want. So, I'm asking a worst-case scenario question. I will have the affidavit and a copy of my bank statement. What else could I possibly need? A health check up from the hospital here before I go? Any kind of rental agreement from my landlord? If so, for how long? Is one month enough? Anything else? What is the most that you have heard that people are asked for? Thanks!
Beat *******
Beat *******
it's also good to search for answers on
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but of course just asking in a fb group is soooo much easier ;)
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Da***
, we seem to be having a disconnect. I said a few times to contact the thai consulate there, ask first IF they issue Non-O visas based on being over 50 (retirement), then ask what they requirements are. That's because each consulate has different requirements as far as the documentation.

Check with the consulate in Bali OR go to a thai consulate that issues that visa without a problem like at Vientiane or Savannakhet Lao, Penang Malaysia etc.
David **********
David **********
OP
Thanks for all your help. If I were to apply for the non-O in Bali, what other paperwork do I need to bring?
Tod *********
Tod *********
@David *********
, you might or you might not need to affidavits.

That's a question you should ask the immigration office down in Samui. I don't know that answer.

You could apply for the 90 day Non-O off a visa exempt entry
David **********
David **********
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Ok, so if they won't do what you described, I can just come back without the tourist visa, get the exemption on arrival, which is only 30 days, and then apply for the non-O right away in Samui? If so, will I still need two affidavits, one for the initial application and then one for the extension?
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Da***
, if you get a single entry tourist visa you can't apply to change over to a 90 day Non-O visa at the immigration office until you have about 30 days left on the stamp. Then once you get the 90 day Non-O you wait until you have 30 days left on that stamp to apply for the yearly extension.

Some immigration offices will stamp a copy of your income affidavit when you get the Non-O visa saying you gave them the original and can use the copy for the yearly extension in two months BUT some offices make you get a new affidavit each time.

Why not take your income affidavit and ask at the consulate IF you can get a 90 day Non-O visa from them while you're down there, and if not get the tourist visa and do it inside the country.
David **********
David **********
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So then the safest bet is to get the simple single entry tourist visa and then, the day I come back, take it to Samui and ask to transfer it to the Non-O? Then wait 60 days and ask for the yearly extension? But will I need two affidavits? One when I ask for the non-O to begin with, and another when I ask for the yearly extension?
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Da***
, I did say that BUT each consulate makes their own rules for the issuing of visas AND some consulates don't offer a 90 day Non-O based on being over 50.

No you can't get a Non-O without telling them the reason AND without meeting the requirements of that particular consulate. The O in Non-O means other and they are issued for a variety of reasons

You need to check with the consulate you're going to apply at to see first IF they offer the visa and secondly what their requirements are to issue it.
David **********
David **********
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@Tod ********
But earlier in the thread you 'Go to a thai consulate in another country and buy a 90 day single entry Non-O visa, get stamped in for 90 days, and when you have 30 days or less left on that stamp apply for the year extension at the immigration office.' Can I do that without specifying why I want the non-O? I'm a little lost.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@David *********
I dunno that you can get a 90 day single entry Non-O based on being over 50 at the thai consulate in Denpasar.

You would have to check with them as far as whether they'll take a bank statement from your US banks or need to use the affidavit of income from the US consulate.
David **********
David **********
OP
OK,
@Tod ********
, picking the conversation back up here. I'm heading to Bali on Thursday to get a new visa. I'll drop off the new form at the consulate on Friday. So I can apply either for another tourist visa or the non-O directly, correct? If I ask for the non-O, I have to give a reason, correct? And that reason would be retirement? Can I submit a copy of my bank statement showing sufficient funds in a US bank, or do I have to use the affidavit I got at the US embassy in Bangkok? What else would I need to apply for the non-O?
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Da***
, the O in a Non-Immigrant Type O visa stands for "Other" and it is a category of visa they issue for being over 50, being married to a thai, being married to a foreigner who legally works here, taking care of half thai or foreign children here and volunteering.

You could use the income affidavit at a thai consulate in the area to get a 90 day Non-O visa, BUT they will take the affidavit, meaning you'd need another one when you apply for the year extension inside the country 60 days later..

Any way you slice it you're not going to break either the 14-21 days under consideration to get a Non-O inside the country (if you get the Non-O at the immigration office) OR if you got one from a thai consulate you're not going to break the time line where you can't apply for a yearly extension until you have 30 days or less left on the 90 day stamp you got stamped in with.
David **********
David **********
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@Tod ********
would the income affidavit I just got in Bangkok be sufficient to meet the financial requirement if applying for the Non O at a consulate outside of Thailand somewhere in this region? What other purposes, other than applying for the retirement extension, does the Non O have?
Tod *********
Tod *********
you can't get ANY visa by border-bouncing <- that is where you go to the border, stamp out of thailand, stamp in&out of another country then stamp right back into thailand to get a 30 day visa exempt entry.

You go to a thai consulate and BUY either a tourist visa or a 90 day Non-O visa. It takes two days to get it.

You would meet the financial requirements to apply for the 90 day Non-O visa at a thai consulate.
Beat *******
Beat *******
2 days in Penang, but that 3 years ago
Tod *********
Tod *********
I agree with Alan, you don't have enough time left on your current "admitted until" stamp to apply for a 90 day Non-O inside the country.

You have two options;

Go to a thai consulate in another country and buy a 90 day single entry Non-O visa, get stamped in for 90 days, and when you have 30 days or less left on that stamp apply for the year extension at the immigration office

OR

Go to the border, stamp out of thailand, stamp in&out of another country, stamp right back into thailand to get a 30 day visa exempt entry then go immediately to the immigration office and apply for the 90 day Non-O visa by meeting the financial requirements. Once you get the 90 day Non-O stamped into your passport, wait until you have 30 days or less and then apply for the extension of stay.

That's the choices you have
Tod *********
Tod *********
The time line works like this

apply for the Non-O

WAIT 14 days

go back and get it and a new 90 day stamp

WAIT about 45 days

Go back and apply for the year extension of stay
Tod *********
Tod *********
David Phillips, nope, that's not how it works. They are two completely different things.

it works like this in Bangkok, you need at least 15 days or more left on either a 30 day visa exempt entry or a 60 day tourist visa entry to apply for a 90 day Non-O visa. When you apply it will go under consideration for 14 days, then you go back and get the Non-O visa and a new 90 day admitted until stamp inked into your passport. The 90 day stamp will be dated from the date you applied for the Non-O (so two weeks will be used from it already.)

Then you wait until you have 30 days or less left on that stamp before you go back and apply for the yearly extension of stay. It will be issued on the spot and the expiration date will be a year from the expiration date of the 90 day stamp you got when you got the Non-O visa.
David **********
David **********
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@Tod ********
so when you already have a tourist visa, and apply to change it to a Non O, does the Non O start fresh for 90 days from that point, or does it just have the same number of days left that the original tourist visa had? So if there was just 30 days left on the tourist visa, is there now only 30 left on the Non O and I can apply straight away for the yearly extension, or does the Non O start fresh and I still have to wait 60 days to apply for the yearly extension?
Tod *********
Tod *********
@David *********
there is no other way, you have to wait until you have 30 days or less left on your 90 day Non-O stamp before you can apply for the yearly extension.
David **********
David **********
OP
Well crap. I don't think either of those is going to work. I'm planning on heading back to the states mid May. So with either case you mentioned, I still have to wait at least 60 days from getting the non O, is that correct? I don't have that much time. Is there no other way?
Alan *******
Alan *******
Immigration requires 14-21 days to process a non-O application, so you don’t have enough time left on your current visa. I think you need a border bounce.

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