Why is understanding Thai visa terminology so important for expats?

May 16, 2023
2 years ago
Stuart *********
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Some of you members (new or not so) may wonder why us mods or others are pedantic about terminology when referring to visas or entry in to Thailand. Many people are confused and mix up terms like “visa” and “extension of stay” or “visa on arrival”, “visa exempt” and “visa waiver” - to name a few.

The reason we are pedantic is that the correct answer to a question can differ wildly depending on the correct term being used.

One example is a question asking “where can I extend my tourist visa in Bangkok”. If they had a tourist visa it would be at the main government complex in Chaengwattana. If they had a visa exempt entry (which some assume is a tourist visa) it would be IT Square Laksi Plaza. Imagine being told to go to one only to find out you need to go to the other after waiting for perhaps hours in a queue.

Another example is “do I need to cancel my visa when leaving Thailand”. The answer is if they are on their initial visa from entry then they can’t cancel it anyway and it will just expire when they leave. However the majority are actually asking “do I need to cancel my extension of stay before I leave”. The answer to that is yes. [edited for clarity - if on an education or business extension] If they ever try to return and get another extension of stay for that reason then it’s a minefield of problems that could occur if they haven’t cancelled their previous one.

Many other instances of needing the correct terminology to give correct answers. So if one of us seems stupidly pedantic in asking for such then please understand that we’re only trying to give you the best answers we can by knowing your exact circumstances.
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This discussion sheds light on the importance of using correct terminology when discussing Thai visas and immigration matters, emphasizing how misunderstandings can lead to significant issues for expats. For example, the location for visa extensions varies based on whether one has a tourist visa or visa-exempt entry. The conversation also highlights the distinction between visa types, including 'visa cancellation' requirements before leaving Thailand, with comments reflecting on the clarity and helpfulness provided within the community.
Greg ***********
it would have been cool to add that a "visa" technically cannot be "extended"

A “visa” is a permit issued by an embassy or consulate outside of Thailand, which allows people to ENTER Thailand

A VISA allows ENTRY into the country

A STAY PERMIT issued according to the visa type allows a STAY in the country

When you enter, the visa is USED UP. The visa “expires” and cannot be used anymore

The only exception from this are the “multi entry” visa types. They remain valid for use until the expiration date of their “validity period”

When you enter Thailand with a single entry visa, the visa itself becomes invalid and you will get stamped in a specific “stay permit” - - -- be it 60 days or 90 days or one year

After entry, you are NOT inside Thailand “with a visa”. You are in Thailand with a “stay permit”

Sorry and sad to say, Thailand’s Immigration police does not make a difference between a “visa” and a “stay permit” For them, it is the same. Sad to say, this is technically WRONG

Even when Expats know what is meant, when someone talks about a “retirement visa extension”

That actually cannot happen but happens

People like ME, who are involved in Thai Visa Advise and Thailand-related advise, are reluctant to use wrong terms, wrong wording

This might be seen by some as pedantic or schoolmaster-like . . myself I don’t give a F on their opinion

I will always use the correct wording
Stuart *********
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@Greg **********
You seem to be missing the part where some “visas” are issued INSIDE the country, by immigration and not from a consulate or embassy abroad. These don’t allow entry in to the country as you are already IN the country, yet they are a visa, not an extension of stay.
Greg ***********
@Stuart ********
true. However the "change of visa type" is an exception. Only good for 90 days, and supposed to be changed into extensions.
Sharon *******
You, sir, are a wealth of knowledge. It seems that the devil is in the details with anything to do with visas. Please continue to be pedantic.
Janin ******
Same as “retirement visa”, that doesn’t exist. It’s O or OA non immigrant based on retirement.
Stuart *********
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@Janin *****
Not based on retirement. Just that you’re over 50. You don’t have to be “retired”.
Keef ********
Nothing wrong with clarifying the terminology if people seek help they must listen to learn. Took me some cycles to understand it myself but otherwise it ends up being a rejection during an application if it's done wrongly or missing the right documents signed in blue ink. It's great to have your help as a group and happy to return the favor.
Chris *********
Thank you for this clarification and Thank you for the service you offer in this group.
Kimi ***********
The moderators are my heroes! Thank you so much for your constant clarification!
Nick ************
Thankyou for all the effort you put into giving people advice. However, the best place for advice for those in Thailand is their local immigration Office. It's just a shame they all interpret the rules differently.
Todd *********
@Nick ***********
which often makes them the absolute worst place for advice. I don’t use them for any advice at all
Geoffrey ******
Excellent post
Mark *********
The more "pedantic" (?) and detailed your answer the better! Thank you all the time.
Daniel ********
Thank you for all the information thanks to you my first time in Thailand has been stress free.

When would be the best time to get extension (visa exempt). I have 19 days left on my original 30. Thanks.
Debbie ******
@Daniel *******
best to make an appointment online too for these immigration services like extensions. much easier.
Stuart *********
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@Daniel *******
anytime now. They add on the days so no detriment to going early.
Daniel ********
@Stuart ********
🙏 thank you
Stuart *********
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@Daniel *******
In Samui they may ask you to wait until 7 days. Almost all other offices won’t.
Cliff *********
Thank you for your wonderful work and concise answers.
Gary ****
I've learnt some excellent stuff from this group, great work. As you say TIT, do as they say and do or you will eventually come unstuck. And it's 100% impossible to argue with an IO with a stamp in their hand 🛃⛔️
Thomas *********
@Gary ********
TIT is great for GRE in JLW for IXS
Richard ********
Great post! Should be pinned 📌
Graham ******
The other one with Visa Exempt is it commonly being referred to a Visa on Arrival but Visa on Arrival cannot be extended whereas a Visa Exempt entry generally can
Stuart *********
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@Graham *****
same for “visa waiver” (Russians, Brazil and others).
Oleg ***********
@Stuart ********
Russian people can extend for 7 days for 1900 baht at local immigration.
Stuart *********
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@Oleg **********
no they can’t. They can apply for an extension but it will be denied. And a stamp saying so will be put in the passport. Because of a denial of an extension they’ll be given 7 days to leave the country. If you want to call that an extension then that’s your call.
Nigel *********
@Stuart ********
can the waiver be extended?
Stuart *********
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@Nigel ********
Visa waiver is through a bilateral agreement with said country. You can get 14, 30 or 90 days depending on what country. Each entry is not extendable.
Nigel *********
@Stuart ********
and there are no restrictions on land entries, correct?
Stuart *********
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@Nigel ********
yes. No restrictions. They apply for visa exempt
Stuart *********
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Michael ********
Its also important when you arrive first time at the airport otherwise you will have people heading to visa on arrival section rather than main immagration
Оливер *********
Stuart, you were always ver helpful and competent.

Thanks for your excellent work 👍
Ricky ******
Top man Stuart👍👍👍
Ben *********
Clarity and understanding at it's finest.
Carlos *********
I really appreciate this group, all its help, and you, Stuart. Thank you for the time you give!
Ellen **********
Thanks for the recap and all y'all do for this group.
Terry ********
I was with you up until you started talking about canceling an extension before leaving. I’ve never heard of that, never done it and never had any problems.
Stuart *********
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@Terry *******
Yes as
@Bra****
pointed out I should have clarified what extension. Some don’t matter others like work or education do.
Brandon ************
@Terry *******
have you ever had a work extension or education extension? Both of those require cancellation before leaving. Most others do not.
Thomas *********
@Brandon ***********
"work extension" is exactly the type of vague terminology referred to in the post
Brandon ************
@Thomas ********
how? An extension based on working in Thailand. Seems pretty self explanatory.
Terry ********
@Brandon ***********
no, extensions for retirement.
Stuart *********
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@Terry *******
well that’s possibly like everything here. It depends on the office you use. Technically if you don’t cancel an extension and leave you could be considered on overstay. No issue returning but when you apply for a new extension for whatever reason you could have issues. If you haven’t then so be it. Others have.
Darren ************
@Terry *******
you are correct
Henrik ****
It is important to get the terminology right. But we should all remember that just because you are not an expert in Thai visa terminology, it doesnt mean you have no brain at all 🙂
Stephen *******
Excellent comment
Stuart *********
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@Henrik ***
Even if you know the terminology it doesn’t mean you have a brain….
Henrik ****
@Stuart ********
, the famous Danish philosopher, S. Kierkegaard, said it very nicely: "To help others starts with the ability to understand what the other doesn't understand" 🙂
Stuart *********
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@Henrik ***
Sorry I don’t understand your point 😀
Henrik ****
@Stuart ********
, my point is that terminology is important, BUT many ppl don't know the terminology which is the reason for asking questions in this and other similar groups. Knowing the terminology is a major part of being an expert in Thai visa matters.
Stephen *******
Henrik JN sometimes the experts on this site belittle humiliate and demean others. It can be a mean site at times. I think Stuart is referring to this. I just had a long dialogue about this.

As a retired teacher I know you can educate without making the learner feel like an idiot.
Stuart *********
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@Henrik ***
Which is why I posted that if we seem pedantic in asking it’s not because we are “brainiacs” just that we need to know specifically what they actually mean.
Henrik ****
@Stuart ********
, yes. And this group is generally nice to ppl not knowing the terminology. Many Thai visa groups are not ...
Stuart *********
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@Henrik ***
Some are more pedantic than others. Or was that what Orwell wrote? 😀
Henrik ****
@Stuart ********
, so you mean an insect might get the terminology right?
Malcolm *************
I've found yourself and this group extremely helpful when dealing with confusing immigration matters pedantic or not lol 👍🙏
John *********
Well said mate .
John *********
Richard *********
words matter
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