Why are so many expats in Thailand relying on COVID visa extensions?

Jan 23, 2022
3 years ago
Robert *********
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Question, And I am prepared to get dragged mercilessly on this forum: (update: I wasn’t disappointed!😂)

Seeing a lot of posts about Covid Extensions. Curious why everyone needs Covid extensions…..Isnt 60 days a year on visa exempt enough for most people? I can’t believe that so many people are not being allowed to get back into their countries. Can someone elaborate?

Note to Keyboard Warriors: I’m merely asking a question, you mercenary band you!😂 Don’t take aim at this OP!

Cheers!
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The discussion revolves around the reasons why many expats and foreigners in Thailand are applying for COVID extensions on their visas. The original poster questions the necessity of these extensions given the 60-day visa exemptions. Responses from community members elaborate that border closures and restrictions have eliminated the common practice of border runs, leaving many unable to switch to long-term visas. Some express the view that the COVID extensions offer a valuable alternative for long-term residents and suggest that the extension options should be formalized or made more accessible for younger foreigners. Conversely, others criticize those who choose to skirt traditional visa routes, referencing costs and availability of alternative visa types.
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Holger *******
The Thai visa system hasn't really worked well for a long time. In some ways the current covid extensions + STV options are better than what was there before for anyone under 50 that wants to stay long term & doesn't fit existing categories. STV could have been more effective if they hadn't lumped in a whole lot of paperwork requirements or prerequisites that are in some cases just impossible to get.

There's plenty who want to live in TH & manage their investments remotely, maybe have an online business, or are be prepared to risk their savings trying to start one. Those that were here at the start of covid are often using covid extensions because its the least-worst or only option.

They don't want to do ED, don't want to start a business in TH & don't want to work a regular job, & maybe have dating prospects or relationships outside Thailand & so don't qualify for any of the current visa categories.

If you're in that category technically the only legitimate visa is an elite visa for a 500K, or to use an agent to effectively pay a bribe into a corrupt system. One of the main attractions of Thailand has always been that its cheap - if you add the cost of visa agents or an elite visa, it really isn't cheap anymore. Before covid - lots of digital nomads would be based here & do visa runs which isn't possible now. If there were a less cumbersome option they'd have taken it.

In practice, many people who would be here supporting all those businesses that really need the extra income right now are moving elsewhere, because the covid extensions aren't really attractive & the combination of outdoor mask mandates, a 3 PCT test requirement for any re-entry + all the Thailand pass nonsense just makes it much less attractive than many of the alternatives. The reality is, that unless they ease up on the requirements people won't come.
Jo **********
i have lived in Thailand for 6 years with only Visa exempt. Yes lived. Fly out and fly back from Singapore, Netherlands or Australia. This worked very well. Many call this ‘Visa Runs’. Can I do that now in a practical sense? NO! So Covid Extensions are available for people in my situation and I am thankful and respectful to the Thai Government for being prudent
Robert *********
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Wow! Some good explanations to my query. I thank you all for your input and trying to “keep it classy.” Sadly, my 60 days has come to a close. Nevertheless, had a wonderful time with my lady, once again. Now, begrudgingly I must return to Japan and back to work. I know I know, isn’t it so inhumane to force me back to the other Asian paradise where I permanently reside??! Blame Uncle Sam!!😅😂🤣 Thailand, see you next December! And good luck to all those in country and yet to arrive, during this ever-changing climate of Thai Passes and Test N Go-Crazies!👋
Jo **********
@Robert ********
i know your feeling
Jo **********
i guess no one here understands how it can work. Before Covid i would fly to Singapore about every 4-6 weeks to do some consulting work. I came back visa exempt. I basically lived in Thailand for 10 years like that. It’s not possible to do like that now with a great deal of pain.
James ***********
@Jo *********
just fly to Cambodia and back to Thailand. All you need is a negative PCR test and vaccination certificate. You probably can use the same PCR test to leave and come back.
Jean **********
I guess that in normal times, you only had to book a flight to Cambodia and come back , now this is a bit difficult and pricy, pcr test in thailand before to go, pcr test there ,then maybe quarantine hotels,then pcr test before leaving Cambodia, pcr test when in thailand then quarantine, I don't know but I guess that could explain it
Jean **********
Forgot you need get one more time Thai pass
Joseph *********
Everybody just go home! 😂
Bobby ********
They're the cheap charlie digital wackpackers, who are too stingy to get real visas! They're easily identifiable in 7-11s as they live on ham & cheese toasties and that God-awful 20 baht microwaved flavoured water they call "coffee". 🤣🤣🤣
Edwin ***********
@Bobby *******
I love those ham & cheese toasties, waiting for 7-11 to open their first stores here in Vientiane 😁
Bobby ********
Edwin de Korte. Very good. I was simply explaining to the OP how easy it is to spot a Cheap Charlie.
George ********
@Bobby *******
how did you equate Covid extension with cheap charlie? If you were under 50, unmarried which visa would you use to extend your time in Thailand?
Bobby ********
George Farmer. I'm saying a large chunk of the covid extenders could, if they wanted to, get a proper visa, such as those who are married or have Thai kids, or wish to study. The problem is they are not prepared to stump up the required funds in order to obtain the correct visa. A married visa requires only 400k in the bank or an income of 40k/month. This is not a fortune, so again, if I label someone trying to bypass this requirement a "cheap charlie" I do think it's justified. As far as extending time in Thailand, you do what you would in most countries of the world, get a visa which fits the reason for being in the country. Surely that's not too difficult to work out?
George ********
@Bobby *******
If I ever get to the point where I spend my days judging others for getting a legal visa that suits their needs instead of enjoying my time I would go home. Old white guys that forget being young, old white entitled guys that complain immigration is filled with riffraff. Whingers that complain others with less money or no long term plans don't deserve an opportunity to enjoy their lives? If buddy on a Covid extension isn't asking you for money or banging your wife, what business of yours is his or her motives to use that visa.
Sue *************
@George *******
brilliant reply
Bobby ********
George Farmer. I simply answered the OPs question. I'm sorry you got so offended! 🤣🤣
George ********
@Bobby *******
I am not offended, I don't eat at
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nor am I a " whackpacker". The home and car we have here suits me fine and I have more productive and satisfying ways to spend my time than looking down on others because of the visa they hold.
Bobby ********
George Farmer. Me too, but when someone asks a question in these expat groups I try to give the correct answer.
Michel *********
"Why does everyone need Covid extensions?"

Do they?? Really??

I mean, the Thai authorities are offering something named "COVID extensions". And people are using it legally because it suits them. So what's wrong with this??
Peter *********
Get rid off these covid extension people
Martin ********
@Peter ********
i would rather keep then and get rid of the semi-pedophiles who come to buy a wife 30 years younger, but hey who am i to say…
Bobby ********
Martin Castro. Exactly! Who are you to say? The cashed-up 75 year old will comfortably support his 18 year old bride, their two kids, her sisters and her mother. They will have a dream lifestyle and in turn will take care of their meal ticket, tending to his every need. You won't see him queueing at 7-11 for a ham and cheese toastie, and asking around where the best free WiFi is. He is a plus to the economy. 🤣🤣🤣.
Jamie ******
@Bobby *******
that is exactly the same person who should stay in their own country and be a "sexy man"

They are a disgrace.🤮🤮🤮
Bobby ********
Doug Zinnarro. Why should they stay in their own country when they're cashed up enough to come to Thailand and get a tidy firm young bride? He's saved his money and wants to see out the rest of his life with happiness. And being so cashed-up he's a bonus to the Thai economy. You won't see the Thai government kicking any of these cashflow resources out of the country! 😆😆😆
Peter *********
Agree 100%
Maxim ***********
@Robert ********
A lot of people like me have a Thai GF of many years and because they are still young (I'm 36), do not qualify for a retirement visa. So for most of us, we rely on various extensions and other methods to stay long-term in Thailand. As for the typical tourist, well, a lot of them want to extend their stay to 3-4, 6 months to a year, and even find a way to stay longer because they like it here more than their own country. I don't think they struggle to get back they just don't want to and I understand them.
Robert *********
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Paul Weinhardt Strictly your opinion! It’s never a “one-size fits all.” Maybe the first year I would say is the fragile time where two people need to spend more time together. But we are past that time and we’ve been together many years now that our relationship is strong enough that this dynamic works for us so nobody else can truly know since they are not in our shoes! Feelings have not faded and on the contrary we have grown stronger because we give each other space. How many couples do you know broke up because they were cooped up together in quarantine during the pandemic for months on end?? And worst case resulted in domestic violence?? Couples need time apart in order to grow stronger together!

And for your information I am planning to bring her to me once Japan borders open.
Robert *********
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@Maxim **********
fair enough! I am in the same boat as you mate: I have a long-term Thai Teerok here as well whom I’ve been involved with for over two years now and we’re making it work by me coming here two months out of the year. Of course I have a special edge that most don’t have in that I am a permanent resident in a totally different first-world Asian country, Japan. So I guess sometimes I take that for granted and that’s not an option others have. Prior to the pandemic she was able to visit me as often as I visit her but now the Japan borders are closed for the immediate future it’s only possible for me to come visit her two months out of the year but then I need to get back and get to making money again in Japan. That’s my story.
Maxim ***********
@Robert ********
Not to be devil advocate but most relationship like yours between Foreigner man and Thai girl end badly. Most will have other foreigners visiting them during the year, like Sugar Daddy. Its a sub-culture in Thailand that is used on dating website. I know a lot of men like you who ended with nothing. Not saying that your story will end badly but most does because of things u never knew or suspected about the long distance Thai girl from that dating app that you visit once a year.
Robert *********
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@Maxim **********
speaking from experience?And you know nothing about my relationship! That’s not even my story! I’m not your typical foreigner who meets a girl on a dating site let alone a chick in a bar. Then hoping she’s loyal to me. Do me a favor and don’t apply to my relationship, the common relationship dynamic between the typical lonely-heart tourist guy and a Thai girl. You have no clue!

Appreciate your concerns but they are totally unwarranted and non-applicable in my situation.
Maxim ***********
@Robert ********
Then don't write a wall of text trying to patronize others about your love story which nobody asked for.
Robert *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Maxim **********
excuse me?? You started a wall of text thread in the first place, bro. Further, the OP is not about love/relationships at all. You chose to comment one reason why in response to my OP. Then I simply responded in solidarity and support as we are both in serious relationships. Then you started behaving like a rude jerk for all to see.

When you haven’t the full background on someone’s relationship sometimes it’s best not to comment at all!
Helen ********
Some people are using covid extensions as stop gaps while they season $$ in banks for other visas, waiting to switch to a work or education visa. Some people are waiting for marriage documents, etc. I think there are many reasons aside from the border bounce.

For people who retire early, it was difficult to find a way to stay longer term in Thailand between 40 and 50. Would be nice to see a option for people who are financially independent, not married to or parent of a Thai national but under 50. The only one we could find was the Elite buts the costs of that were high for the benefits.
Jo **********
@Helen *******
i have lived in Thailand for 6 years with only Visa exempt. Yes lived. Fly out and fly back from Singapore, Netherlands or Australia. This worked very well. Many call this ‘Visa Runs’. Can I do that now in a practical sense? NO! So Covid Extensions are available for people in my situation and I am thankful and respectful to the Thai Government for being prudent
Helen ********
@Jo *********
I agree. The covid extensions have been a great assistance to many people in various situations. We also benefited from them last year and appreciated the governments offering them. I admit, I did find it a bit stressful not knowing if they'd be renewed. Luckily we've been able to get our Non O 50+ extension arranged so no longer necessary. Unfortunately not the case for many.
Jo **********
@Helen *******
thank you
Ernesto ********
@Helen *******
if they can’t afford elite then they are not financially ready to retire. A lot of these people never grow up and don’t want to face real responsibility
Lee ************
@Ernesto *******
haha your a nob ✅
Ernesto ********
@Lee ***********
haha your a douche
Ernesto ********
Elite was intended for people who wish to long stay but don’t quality for long stay extensions. If it’s cost doesn’t offer value for them then maybe they earn more before retire to cover cost
Helen ********
@Ernesto *******
where did I say people can't afford elite? My comment was the costs were high for the benefits.

There should be an option for those who are financially independent and retired early to have an option for a Non O based on retirement based on income not just age.
Mike *******
I find great comedy in the expats/retirees who think they own Thailand. Even if you're on a long term visa, you are still a guest in Thailand as well. Stop acting like you own this country and let people live. If they can get a opportunity to spend more time here, how does it affect your life? Waaaa. I gotta spend 30 min longer at immigration because people are getting a free 60 days in Thailand due to covid. Big whip! Get a life and let people live.
Jo **********
@Mike ******
you the best
Florian ********
@Mike ******
louder for the ones in the back
Andy *********
Mike Hamel

Well spoken.
Bobby ********
Mike Hamel. I don't think the 60 days is free? It's 1900 baht, which equates to
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per annum, so I don't see the "free" element. But it certainly doesn't bother me. The OP was asking a question, one which I've asked in the past, when a large number of people are hanging out every two months waiting to see if the concession will be extended when they could just be getting a proper visa. I know Cheap Charlies here who are married with kids but are so stingy they cannot put the 400k in the bank to get a real visa but instead rely on the 60-day extensions. That to me underlines how much they really care about their families
Jamie ******
@Bobby *******
So many poor people whinging.
Prieto ****
@Bobby *******
What is the "proper visa" for people that are not retirees?
Nigel *********
@Prieto ***
Non O marriage, non O half Thai child, Non B business, Ed Visa, Elite Visa. SMART Visa APEC Business travel card, PR, Non immigrant F, IM Visa, R Visa M Visa RS Visa EX Visa ...That's about it I'm afraid
Bobby ********
Prieto JP. Well how about you tell me what you're doing in the country and I'll see if I can assist. If someone tells me they are learning the language, I would say "ED visa", if someone tells me they are teaching IT at an international school I would say "B visa". But I need to know what your aspirations are
Maxim ***********
@Bobby *******
That's ridiculous. So because you don't have 400k baht in the bank you are cheap charlie? A lot of people still have debt in their own country and try to pay it out as soon as possible so they can have that 400k cushion to not have to use the 60 days Covid extension anymore.
Kevin ***********
@Maxim **********
If you are a foreigner and you don't have money in the bank here to pay for emergencies, let alone a visa requirement, you shouldn't be here.
Bobby ********
Maxim Thibodeau. If someone is married and raising children in Thailand and doesn't have 400k yes absolutely they are a cheap charlie. Come on man, it doesn't even buy a crap used car! 😂
Mike *******
@Bobby *******
cool. I just think if people can stay in Thailand then let them. This country for many is salvation from a life they don't want to rejoin just yet, and covid in many countries is no better there then here. I'm very sure many of these covid extension people would not be here if the other hot SEA counties were open, or open with less restrictions. I'm on the ED visa, but would happily do a covid if it was my only affordable option.
Bobby ********
Mike Hamel. Agreed. I have ZERO problem with people on covid extensions. They are the ones being milked. All I'm saying (or trying to) is if I was in that situation, I would be looking for a more substantive way of staying long term. As a previous milker of the OA where I would visit my home country every two years, get a new visa using funds in my home country, and do an out/in at the end of year one in order to get the second free year (and it was totally free), I got stuck with the covid travel issue. I could have done the same and wailed "I can't get back to my home country" and started the 60-day treadmill. Instead I looked at options and decided to ship in 65k each month (I mean my lifestyle here costs me around 45-50 each month anyway, so bumping it up to 65k was no big deal), and get the retirement extension for 1900 baht every 12 months. To me it added more security to staying here and means I don't have to start sweating every two months, and only have to visit immigration once a year. To me that represented a much better option
Frank-Steven ***********
@Mike ******
Amen. 🙏
Bizkit ******
Border visa run being a hassle dude...if u fly in and out how long would u able to sustain in term of money , time and ur energy ??
Jyrki *********
It would be very stupid of Thai government if they stop COVID extension now.. Keep "safe" farangs inside would be wise.
Peter *********
Jyrki *********
@Peter ********
?? Any reason?
Peter *********
@Jyrki ********
yes queue immigration jontien every day
Jyrki *********
@Peter ********
That's your problem. Not Thailand's.
Peter *********
Lee ************
Yeah go home 👍
Peter *********
@Lee ***********
100% go 🏡
Frank-Steven ***********
Unlike for old people (50+, who have it easy), for the younger crowds there are no equally attractive longer term visa options available. Thus pre-covid there was quite some border bouncing. And as the rather big group of former border bouncers is attractive for Thailand in times they have too little foreign money spenders in the country, they allow for covid extensions instead of border bounces. But what they really should do is introducing attractive visa for younger people as well. There is talk about that. But talk is cheap here. No reason people under 50 could not stay under the same conditions as the 50+ retirement visa, really. But TIT.
Maxim ***********
Paul Weinhardt I don't understand what you mean? 50 years old+ is to have access to retirement visa. There is no other visa to stay long term in Thailand except Elite Visa (500k baht). All the visa that allow you to stay long and renew are mostly done with the help of agent, not legal, but legit and never enforced. The only truly long term visa is retirement visa.
Maxim ***********
Paul Weinhardt Many visas, volunteer visa, education visa, marriage visa, etc, you can also get medical visa, etc. Retiree can get it the proper way so they dont have to use an agent.
Jean **********
You are right, I guess what they are interested in is foreigners with lots of money!
Оливер *********
@Frank-Steven **********
old people 50+ my ass!!!🤣
Kevin ***********
@Frank-Steven **********
You can bet your bottom satang that every one of those returning border bouncers counts as a "tourist arrival" when TAT announce anything approaching an accurate figure 😁
Alan *******
@Frank-Steven **********
that is 🐂💩! There are other options for under 50's, working visa, education visa and I'm sure there are more, the problem is most of the under 50's want to stay long term, but choose to play the system and live here cheap and in some cases work illegally.
Bobby ********
Alan Smith. Well said!! The whole point I'm trying to make!
Frank-Steven ***********
@Alan ******
I understand that as one of the 50+ persons you don’t really have a need to dive deeper into the plenty options for the younger crowd you mentioned. But if you would, you would quickly notice that they are all less attractive / more pricey or less flexible then the Non-O retirement ones. ED visa make you stuck in one place. B visa make you work for unattractively little money. Elite is just a total rip-off. Just to mention a few aspects.
Maxim ***********
@Frank-Steven **********
You can stay in Thailand for 35-40k baht a year if you are not of retirement age. I speak from experience. And you don't have to go anywhere. You just need the right contact.
Nigel *********
Different people have different circumstances... not everyone likes "Working for the Man" and is happy with their "allotted" holiday time.

Personally, I would say that the "Covid extensions" has worked pretty well and should be extended or adopted in to a new option for the future, so doing away with visa runs. Keep the money inside Thailand instead of blowing
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to
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thb every 3 months on a little trip to KL or Singapore.

Obviously people have been working here illegally (eg On line business, remote workers), but, if it doesn't impact on Thai's employment prospects or unfairly competing against Legally set up companies then what's the issue.
Astrid **********
Short answer: No borderbounce possible

Long answer: Because borders are closed so Multiple Year visa holders can not borderbounce hence are on COVID extensions. Plus many "tourist" like to stay longer but can not go Malaysia or Laos for new visa, because same border issue.
Stuart *********
Most people on covid extensions aren’t tourists that are stranded here unable to return. They live here and were previously on year long visas that they got stamped in for 90 days and did a border bounce out and in for the next 90 days. Since land borders are shut and most neighboring countries aren’t allowing entries they have no way of doing a bounce.
Mitchell *******
Yup. I am visa exempt, and my retirement plan (which isn't too many years away) is to base myself in Thailand with my girlfriend, and travel around south east Asia. The current restrictions would have messed that up royally. I definitely would have been trying to figure out how to extend my stay anyway I could.
Dave *********
@Stuart ********
A sensible answer.
James *******
I assume it's because the land borders are closed (or at least not a simple process) thus preventing onward travel or visa runs. Also the Thais might see the benefit of retaining those already in country.
Alan *******
I know what a lot of the responses will be like, but here's my opinion. There are people who are unable to, or don't want to, obtain long term visa's, this is why some are playing the system. There are not many countries now that people can't return to, so it's time to stop the Covid extensions.

I will not be responding to comments.
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