What is the process for US passport renewal from Thailand and how can I navigate the requirements?

Aug 17, 2023
a year ago
Jorge ****
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This is for Americans who are required to renew their passports by mail.

This is what I used:

1. Smart phone or device with a camera to read QR code.

2. Internet service.

3. Local bank account with the bank app to allow payment via QR code scan. Need to download the bank app and get it set up at a bank branch (Phone must be on “Mobile Data” mode for this one time setup as the bank must recognize the phone number and send an OTP). After that, one can use WiFi, and pay for goods/services using the merchant QR code. Many already use this.

4. An account on “Thailand Post Mart” to buy “Courier Pass Back” service. Pay with the above bank app by scanning the Thailand Post QR code. Receipt will be E-mailed to user. The embassy no longer accepts self-addressed self-stamped return envelopes. Navigate to the Thailand Post Mart using the QR code on the checklist provided on the US embassy passport renewal page. The LINE app QR code reader will take you there. You will need to apply for a log in account with name, address, E-mail, etc. A verification link will be sent to the given E-mail. Once the account is set up, log in and choose to buy the Courier Pass Back service. You can then go to the “shopping cart” page and pay. There are various pay methods including by credit/ATM card. I tried AMEX as well as ATM from Bank of Ayutthaya to no avail. Eventually tried the Siam Commercial icon and was able to sync with my SCB QR code reader in the app. Once paid, a receipt was sent to the E-mail I used in the sign up process. The E-mail arrived quickly. This is the postage payment receipt required by the US embassy to mail the old and new passport back. The cost is 100 Baht.

5. You also need to log on to the given US gov website to pay for the passport fee. There they take AMEX cards. Once payment accepted, an E-mail is sent to the E-mail used in the sign up process. That E-mail took seconds too.

6. Need a Printer to print the passport application request checklist, the US government receipt of $130 US, and the Thailand Post receipt of 100 Baht. You may be able to save all of the above and have it printed at a local print shop.

7. The passport renewal form can be filled on-line, and needs to be printed (and signed) as well.

8. The usual 2x2 inch passport size photos. Two of them.

9. A photocopy of the passport bio page

10. EMS cost of mailing above docs is ~40-50 Baht.

Number 3 above, going to the bank to set up the phone app was easy, as an employee did all the work, and this pay-by-phone app is used often by many.

Number 4 was the worst nightmare. The Thailand Post Mart website is in Thai, and even the Thai people who live with me could not figure it out. The website has a Google applet that translates the page but misses on pop op message boxes and the translation is not accurate at times. Went to the Post Office downtown but they could neither understand nor help. Went to the Post Office main distribution center and they could not help either. They had never seen the Thailand Post Mart website. I finally was able to set up the account (they send a verification link to the E-mail given on registration but that was not clear as most of these pop-up messages are in Thai) Still could not pay the 100 Baht. I called the help line but the operator who spoke some English, had never heard of “Thailand Post Mart” or “Courier Pass Back” service. Went back to both Post offices, and again, with no result. Four times now. Finally was able to pay by using the SCB icon on the shopping cart webpage with my newly acquired SCB bank app.

All this running around over 100 Baht. Then the next time one needs “Thailand Post Mart” or “Courier Pass Back” service, is quite possibly for the next renewal, ten years from now.

It really appears that some bright clock in the US government decided to do an intelligence test on passport renewal applicants. Did they themselves really pass the IT test? For Goodness’ sakes, all that over 100 Baht?

Oh, and as a bonus, a few minutes after signing up for the account at the “Thailand Post Mart”, I received messages both on my phone and in my E-mail, in Thai but with the “Thailand Post Mart” heading. When I asked the people at the Post Office the meaning of these messages, they said it was “spam” and that this happened often.

Once the new passport arrives, I’ll advise how long it took. Cheers
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TLDR : Answer Summary
Navigating the US passport renewal process from Thailand can be quite complicated, especially for American expats. The steps involve using a bank app for online payment of the return postage via Thailand Post Mart, which requires setting up a local bank account. Many find the Thailand Post Mart website challenging to use since it's primarily in Thai and can lead to confusion. Users must also print specific documents and provide passport photos and receipts. While some find this method daunting, others report easier experiences using alternative methods. It is essential to highlight the frustrations of dealing with foreign websites and ensuring proper payment methods are followed to avoid delays.
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Steve *******
Just my experience, if you have the chrome browser and you select create account with Google login (you need a Google account) then they don’t ask for any of the tax ID numbers they just let you create the account and buy the envelope. Also it will say waiting until the embassy mails it back to you. This isn’t a letter you mail to the embassy you have to do that on you own. Thailand post is the way to go.
Timmy ******
Yes, good point Jorge.
Jorge ****
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Be aware, if you apply for one year visa extensions, that an extension will be granted up to the passport's validity date but not beyond. Good luck!
Andy *******
@Jorge ***
obviously
Timmy ******
Thanks for the heads up. My passport will expire this year.
Veet ********
@Jorge ***
But once you pay the 100 Baht for the Courier Pass Back, Thailand Post Mart does not send any product purchase confirmation email. Instead, we have to take a screenshot of the order placed from the Order History tab and print the screenshot with invoice number THP visible. You may receive a 100 Baht payment confirmation email from your bank, but as far as I know, ThailandPostMart does not send any.
Jorge ****
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No, the the message says they mailed the passport back to me on the 12th. That's today status. Two days ago, even after they said thay mailed, it it still said "not available" then.
Veet ********
@Jorge ***
gotcha! Well, that's good news. Your new passport is on its way back to you. I have my fingers crossed, hopefully soon. It appears like it's a 4-5 week turnaround time from the date we mail it.
Jorge ****
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@Vit ********
some gov website said "10 to 13 weeks". So we seem to be doing well. I will post a final update after I get the passport and the visa transferred, etc. We are still not out of the woods.
Veet ********
@Jorge ***
yup! I just noticed that our embassy's webpage displays, "Passport process may take up to six to eight weeks." If I recall correctly, not too long ago, it was estimated to be around five to six weeks.
Jorge ****
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@Vit ********
Just got my new passport today. It took 5 weeks. Also see the update and conclusion I posted on this group a few minutes ago. Good luck and safe travels!
Jorge ****
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@Vit ********
Sorry, but my experience was reversed. I almost immediately got a receipt from Thailand Post Mart via eMail. I also looked into my phone "Gallery" but did not get a receipt from the bank. First and hopefully last time I will have to do this rigamoro. In ten years AI will be smarter than our current bureacracy. See receipt below.
Steve *******
@Jorge ***
@Vit ********
hi I think I purchased the envelope correctly but it still says “waiting” on the website. Just to confirm, Thailand post sends you an actual envelope in the mail that contains the return envelope that you mail to the embassy? Or am I missing something?
Jorge ****
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@Steve ******
After paying the 100 THB, Thailand Post sent me an E-mail receipt. I printed it out, as is has some kind of a reference number, my name, and the paid amount. I sent this with the passport renewal form, pics, and the $100+ passport fee receipt the gov payment website also E-mails you. Once the pp is ready, the US embassy sends you the pp in an Express mail envelope.
Steve *******
@Jorge ***
so you just put all that in an envelope and mailed it to the embassy yourself? What service did you use to mail it and did you get a tracking number?
Jorge ****
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@Steve ******
yes, I mailed all the requested docs as per the checklist via Express mail and this comes with a tracking number.
Steve *******
@Jorge ***
express mail with Thailand post? You went into an actual post office?
Jorge ****
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@Steve ******
well, of course. I had to send the old pp, signed application, 2 pics, and two sets of receipts. How else would the embassy get all that since they stated all was to be done by mail? Now, that was this past Aug. Maybe they changed procedures, but I'll revisit that in 10 yrs.
Veet ********
Do you mean they received your application on the 12th sept?

I also signed up for the email notification but never received any update. When I manually checked earlier today, I saw the status was updated. So yours still shows "not available"?
Veet ********
@Jorge ***
Interesting! I used the QR prompt pay payment method and didn’t receive any email. However, I printed the invoice I found on the order history page. And I agree that AI might very well change the process in ten years!

I’m curious, did you staple the four corners of the photo onto DS84 and include another two photos with your package? Also, did you notice that the actual DS84 form is the last two pages of the 6-page PDF? The first four pages are instructions. Did you submit all six pages or just the last two? Thanks!
Jorge ****
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@Vit ********
I did not send the 4 pages of instr... seemed redundant but did send the checklist with my initials as requested. Being so frustrated with all this, I simply followed the printed instr and used 4 staples on the appl form. It's been a week since they received the appl and old passport. No feedback so far.
Veet ********
@Jorge ***
you can check your application status via the website:
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Although mine still says Not Available. Hoping for that to change by the end of next week.
Jorge ****
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@Vit ********
thank you! I sent mine precisely three weeks ago and "status not available". Keep my fingers crossed.
Veet ********
@Jorge ***
I wanted to provide you with an update; the status has just changed to "In Process." Your application status may have been updated too. I've been monitoring mine regularly.
Jorge ****
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@Vit ********
well, thank you!

Upon your notification, I checked and mine was mailed the 12th, this past Tues. On the other hand, I made a note to myself when I checked 2 days ago, on the 14th, and even then it said "status not available". I even signed up for Email notifications, and nothing has happened. I tell you, our tax dollars are hard at work.
Veet ********
@Jorge ***
, I’m in a similar situation as you. It has been four days since they received the renewal package via mail. According to the instruction webpage, we should receive our new and old passports back within 5-6 weeks. Let’s hope for the best and a quicker processing period.
Allie **********
Now, that passport better arrive back in 28 days or I will be overstaying 😬 any advice about this situation would be much appreciated! And are they going to be ok on me exiting on an empty passport?? I am scared and will be securing a long term visa in the next two months. Currently on my last land border chance on my visa exemption. Actualy I've already done 2 land, 2 air, coming back from the states I got help up and told I need a long term visa. I fear it will be a gamble my next run.
Jorge ****
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@Allie *********
the US embassy website says 4-6 weeks but I suspect it won't be that long. In the past, it has been about 2 weeks, but that was years ago. Good luck!
Allie **********
Here is the best explanation and info page that found in the process for anyone that has questions!
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Allie **********
Hello! Just want to share an update to this thread as I have just completed all of this today to send in my damaged passport. Concerning the 100baht thaipostmart website debaucle, whoever gave the good advice about your vacine certificate number working as the ID number for this step was right! If you have your double shot certificate from shots in Thailand you will have a 13 digit number printed on it that starts in 600... if you fill everything out but do not receive a confirmation email after you subscribe, maybe try a different email and do it all again! I ended up getting to the qr section and paid on my bangkok bank app. If you don't have a bank account or app, just ask a friend that does and have them pay the qr code and you can give them cash.
Veet ********
@Allie *********
, Did you staple the four corners of the photo on DS82 and include two photos as per the checklist sheet?
Allie **********
I did not staple, they will attach themselves I hope
Jorge ****
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@Allie *********
now, that was creative. I just noticed my 13 digit number on my vax cert too.
Mike *********
I just went to a local bank and got a bank check for 100 baht and sent it in with my application. 1-4 sounds very difficult. The instructions offer a page to print to take to one of the 3 or 4 banks and get the 100 baht check made.
Jorge ****
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@Mike ********
this is what I saw, as of yesterday,
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Jorge ****
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@Mike ********
yes, somebody mentioned that in the comments. Maybe I missed that after all.
Jeffrey **********
Is this procedure ADA compliant ?
Jorge ****
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@Jeffrey *********
sorry... ADA?
Jeffrey **********
@Jorge ***
Americans with Disabilities Act
Jorge ****
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@Jeffrey *********
there are different procedures, and in some cases, a person has to go to the embassy and be present. I suspect they have an option for ADA.
Richard *********
Yes, it was easier before as my post showing the letter u take to the bank>

NOW.>>>>

I wonder if uj can still go to a bank and get the 100 baht draft and send it along with ur old passport??
Jorge ****
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@Richard ********
I wondered about that too but it was either follow the published instructions or fight the bureaucracy. Have heard the phrase "don't try to fight city hall" before.
Andy *******
I just read this as well as the comments and permanently lost 5+ minutes of my life. FML
Jorge ****
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@Andy *********
I wanted to share some of the travesties I found while trying to renew my passport so that others may be aware. You will have your own experience and hopefully will be a happy happy one. Good luck.
Joseph *********
It's really not as complicated as this. 🙄
Jorge ****
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@Joseph ********
this is the current instruction as of last week and this morning
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Marty *********
I renewed my US passport a couple of months ago. I just followed the directions on the embassy website. Regarding the 100 baht for the return postage - the US Embassy website has a document, in English and Thai, with instructions to the Thai bank about exactly what the Embassy wants for a bank draft. I handed the document to a regular teller and she gave me the bank check in a couple of minutes. Couldn’t be easier. What was more difficult was realizing that I had to get to a different State Department website to pay the passport renewal fee but that, in the end, wasn’t difficult either. The embassy website tells you to send all your documents using EMS or DHL. I chose EMS. I got my new passport 4 weeks 3 days later sent to my home in Sisket province.
Jorge ****
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@Marty ********
couple of months ago... this is the current instruction as of last week and this morning
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Marty *********
@Jorge ***
OK. I checked the Citizen services website and it is a different process to pay for the return envelope. That’s too bad. It was super easy not long ago.
Nicholas ********
Thank you, I will need to do this next month
Todd *********
Easy as Pi 😂😂😂
Jorge ****
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@Todd ********
LOL last time I looked, Pi was an infinite number.
Todd *********
@Jorge ***
😂that seemed like an infinite list of requirements
Jeff *********
I don’t exactly remember the process but I just renewed my and it sure wasn’t that difficult. Sent my passport to the embassy, paid online through their app with a credit card, sent along with my passport a couple pictures and the form and 2 weeks later had a new passport. Oh and paid for the 100 baht for return postage.

You must be using a different method 😊
Richard *********
all in english using chrome translate

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BUT it seems u need a thai to sign up as it requires a thi id card #
Richard *********
how did u bypass? I tried but....
Jorge ****
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@Richard ********
I saw that too and it rejected my passport number as ID. Managed to bypass that part and pay the 100 Baht, but still not 100% sure it is acceptable to the "authorities". The rub is, why are Americans being sent to a foreign website, which they cannot normally read, to obtain passport services for Americans? I have renewed my passport and my kid's passport several times already, and this has been the worst regarding a simple payment. 100 Baht... I'd be very happy if they added this $3 to the renewal fee.
Jorge ****
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@Jeff ********
Applying and paying for the actual passport was easy. The rub is that they no longer accept SASE, and instructions send you to a foreign website, not in English, where you have to have a bank app, to pay 100 Baht for return postage. This is $3 USD... why not add this to the passport fee of $130 USD? In San Francisco, a cup of coffee or a one way public bus fare is $3 USD. Why send the applicant thru a worthless website that will not be used again but in 10 yrs? All for 100 Baht?
Richard *********
@Jorge ***
how much easier? go to the bank: Include 100 baht draft with ur old passport & application

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Jorge ****
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@Richard ********
well, I, like most sheep people, followed their written instructions to the letter. Really, look at the passport renewal page. I've included a partial snapshot of their published instructions in some of the other replies.
Richard *********
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Jorge ****
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@Richard ********
Yes, the instructions are very clear. The website to pay 100 Baht is not. It is in a foreign language most of us cannot read, and Google translate was not intended for mission critical use.
Richard *********
this makes it much easier to understand and read:

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Jack *********
That's insanely complicated. I have to get a new passport soon and you have me shook. But I appreciate you sharing this!
Jorge ****
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@Jack ********
After it all worked and had the 100 Baht receipt in my hand, I wanted to call the US embassy and yell at them. All for 100 Baht! Our tax dollars at work.
Jack *********
If you are in Bangkok I'll buy you dinner to walk me through it. 😂
Jorge ****
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@Jack ********
I'd take you up in the offer but am way down south. Look at the US embassy website and the renewal requirements and checklist. One step at a time and you'll get there too. Start early though.
Jack *********
@Jorge ***
Thanks brother 🙌🙏
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