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What documents and steps are necessary for renewing a Thai passport and setting up US social security deposits in Thailand?

Jennifer *****************
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Hello! I am trying to help my mom (Thai citizen, never became a US citizen) move back to Thailand after the passing of my Dad (American). Her passport is expired so I have an appointment for her at the LA Consulate in a few weeks. I THINK I can mostly understand what documents to bring for the appt (thank you Google translate) but I can't tell if they do passport photos while there - or do I need to get her photos done before the appointment? Also, does anyone have recent experience in renewing - wondering how quickly you received your passport in the mail?

Last question, has anyone had their Thai bank set up to receive their US social security deposits? Was it decently easy to set up? I do see a form on the gov website.

Thank you for any suggestions or advice!
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A user is seeking guidance for her Thai mother to renew her expired passport at the LA Consulate and to set up US social security deposits into a Thai bank account. The conversation reveals that while it's important to have certain documents (such as the Thai ID, possibly a birth certificate, and house registration) ready for the passport renewal process, passport photos can be taken at the consulate, negating the need to procure them beforehand. Furthermore, participants share their experiences regarding direct social security deposits into Thai banks, noting the simplicity of the process.
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Jennifer *****************
Jennifer *****************
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Heard back from the Embassy in Los Angeles - they said no need to get passport photos ahead of time. Yay!
Rob ********
Rob ********
@Jennifer ****************
hope all goes well
Justine *********
Justine *********
Hi Jennifer, you are a sweet daughter helping your mom transition back to her home country. Get her Thai passport photos before you go to the consulate - CVS, Costco, Walgreens, etc. The same specification as a USA passport photo. After your visit at the consulate, I believe officially is 4-6 weeks, best to plan for about two months to get the passport. You can pick it up at the consulate or have it mailed to your house.

Do you have your mom's Thai ID and house registration to get the Thai passport? Just to cover all bases, Thais have several important documents that you should locate and save if your mom has them here in USA with her:

1. Thailand birth certificate - I'm guessing your mom is a permanent resident of USA, so she must have a Thai birth certificate translated to English. If she has the Thai birth certificate in Thai (original/copy) then even better.

2. Thailand house registration - Each Thai person needs to belong to a house (and only one house) to prove where they live. Sometimes if the person has moved abroad for many years, the family moves, home changes owners, gets torn down, etc. and the person gets removed from the house registration by the current owner. The removed name moves to a "central database" of people not on a house registration. It's not a problem for the Thai person abroad until they try to renew a Thai ID and can't do it, because they are not on a valid house registration, and this can only be fixed in Thailand not outside the country.

3. Thai ID card - the national ID. Thai ID has a 13 digit identification number, which is used in many instances, much like the American SSN. Must be on a valid house registration to renew or re-establish a Thai ID card that is expired.

4. Thai Passport - normally the Thai passport issued requires a valid Thai ID. I see the Thai Consulate in LA requires "Original of Thai Identification Card or proof of Thai residency with address, name and a 13-digit identification number". Which means they will look up the Thai ID via the 13 digit number, and look up the Thai house registration via the address.

If you don't have your mom's Thai ID card and Thai house registration info, contact the Thai Consulate in LA and explain the situation, and get their advice. I know you said you have emailed them before, give them a call during their office hours if you don’t get a reply. I have communicated with the Thai Consulate in Washington DC numerous times and they were very good communicating in English, helping answer my questions, and connecting me with the right person. I was quite impressed with how much they were willing to go out of their way to assist me. I don’t have experience with the consulate in LA, but I hope they give the same good assistance. Again you are a very caring daughter, helping your mom. I hope all goes well for you both.
Jennifer *****************
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@Justine ********
thank you so much! She has all readily available except for #1 - I'll have to check on that one. Also the phone number listed for the Los Angeles embassy is a fast busy signal every time we've tried. So hopefully they'll answer email or I'll try FB messenger as another suggestion on here. Thank you so much! ❤️
Nick *********
Nick *********
You need to get pictures first . Lots of places do passport photos , Google it . I got a u.s. passport in a week by paying extra to expedite it .
Nick *********
Nick *********
@Jennifer ****************
ok I've never been to that one . I was assuming you were trying to get her a US passport. I'm sorry
Jennifer *****************
Jennifer *****************
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@Ni**
no worries - I've appreciated your responses and information! Just wish it was more clear for the LA embassy - I did email them directly as well. It's difficult to get my mom to do anything "extra" which is why I'm really trying to find out 🤣
Nick *********
Nick *********
@Jennifer ****************
good luck . It's very nice of you to help her get home. I'm sure she misses it.
Jennifer *****************
Jennifer *****************
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@Nick ********
I did google it - it's not anywhere obvious about the passport photos being done at the embassy and the instructions from the confirmation say nothing about photos needing to be done ahead of time. That's why I wasn't sure. I'll get her photos done ahead of time and will have them on us in case we need them though.
Nick *********
Nick *********
@Jennifer ****************
they don't do passport photos at any embassy. You need to find a photo shop in your area . Google where to get passport photos.
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@Brandon ***********
Oh interesting!! Thank you 😊
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
@Jennifer ****************
the best way to contact any Thai consulate in the world is Facebook messenger, believe it or not.
Jennifer *****************
Jennifer *****************
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@Ni**
I got another response from a Thai acquaintance who said her mom did get her photos done at the LA embassy. But obviously no definitive answers out there to be found so I'll get them done ahead of time for sure.
Kool *******
Kool *******
Bangkok Bank is where I have my US social security direct deposited into, and not through their New York branch, but directly into my Thai account. Everything dealing with US social security in Thailand is handled through the Manila Philippines embassy office. It is one simple form to fill out, and Bangkok Bank will help with it. When I changed mine to a Thai bank, it was completed by my next check date.

Any Thai citizen can re-enter Thailand, even with an expired passport, or expired ID card.
Nick *********
Nick *********
@Kool ******
they will need a valid passport to board the airplane
Kool *******
Kool *******
@Nick ********
as a Thai returning to Thailand, an expired passport, or expired Thai ID card, is enough to board a plane back to Thailand. Thailand does not refuse entry to citizens, even if their ID is expired.
Nick *********
Nick *********
@Kool ******
they need to get on the plane to get there
Kool *******
Kool *******
@Nick ********
Thais are not refused entry back into Thailand no matter what their situation is.
Nick *********
Nick *********
@Kool ******
how do you know this ? You need valid identification to even buy a ticket in the USA or get through airport security even before you get to your airline .they won't accept expired identification at the security check .
Jennifer *****************
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@Nick ********
Yep, I'm definitely erring on the side of caution with that part.
Nick *********
Nick *********
@Jennifer ****************
yes with international travel it's best to be on the safe side
Jennifer *****************
Jennifer *****************
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@Kool ******
Thank you - this is very helpful!
Dang ***********
Dang ***********
@Jennifer ****************
yes I was in Thailand last August and they told me I can enter with expired passport
Richard *********
Richard *********
@Kool ******
just curious are there any rules about spending so many days in USA, or duration of

Marriage to receive SS?
Dave *********
Dave *********
@Richard ********
pull her social security statement and it will show if she’s eligible.

Sign her up at
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Richard *********
Richard *********
@Dave ********
thanks Dave and all,

I was just asking because I am curious. No marriage in my current plan, but will not rule anything out. I just wanted to know if I did marry a Thai lady if she would qualify to receive SS if and when I pass on.
David *****
David *****
@Richard ********
40 quarters of work paying into Social Security. She may be getting Survivor Benefits
Jennifer *****************
Jennifer *****************
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She worked for years in the US herself
Kool *******
Kool *******
@Richard ********
it's a matter of years, and I forget how many. I think it is ten years, but not sure.
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
Unfortunately I can't answer any of your questions. But I can tell you if your mother still has her previous expired Thai passport, she can travel to Thailand with that.

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