What can I learn from my partner's tragic death and how should I cope with my guilt?

Oct 23, 2022
2 years ago
Tony *********
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I don't really know how to start this post but I am seeking out information from people with experience/knowledge from both Expats and Thai's.

Sadly I have recently lost my dear partner Chanpen (Janphen). She came to visit me in the UK after we had been apart for just over 18 months and as I was dreading us reaching a 2 year milestone I asked her to visit me. Its a long story but I was trying to sort out my UK home to permanently leave and go to Thailand.

She arrived in the UK 26th of May. By around 10th June she was becoming very unwell. Initially we both thought it was a fever brought on by the drastic change in temperatures with the UK being typically 10c lower. On 17th June she was admitted to A & E and went straight into a critical care ward because she had Sepsis. She was stabilised and discharged 25th June and sent home with antibiotics to take until 5th July. By 10th July she was re-admitted again very ill with Sepsis. She never returned home πŸ˜­πŸ’”

I am being eaten up with questions of should I have done this or that? When she was admitted 17th June a CT Kub scan was done and this revealed a 17cm tumour. Apparently anything over 10 cm is regarded as large.

There was without doubt 'a window of opportunity' to get her home between 25th of June and 5th July (10 days). I can't help but wonder if she had returned to Thailand she would have had a better chance of survival. I can tell you now that our wonderful NHS did nothing for 6 weeks, just allowing the tumour to grow at a rapid rate so that by the time they operated she looked 9 months pregnant. Post operation (she nearly passed away during the operation) she had no chance of survival. This was because the tumour was allowed to grow into her intestine and large parts had to be removed along with the tumour. This meant that post operation she was never strong enough for chemotherapy. They effectively left her to eventually die and she passed away 13th October with no cancer treatment whatsoever. She died here in the UK with no family and friends around her apart from myself.

I feel so guilty that I never got her home in the short 10 day window. An appointment had already been made to see a gynecologist set far too in the distance about 3 weeks and I wanted us to get more information. They later cancelled this appointment and she was then re-admitted. I have to live with the decisions I made for the rest of my life. I truly believe that if she had returned to Thailand she would have had a better chance of survival.

I am interested to know what others think? I know nothing can bring her back. The tumour turned out to be a cancer called Sarcoma which is aggressive and fast growing. They didn't even do the first biopsy until they removed the tumour! She probably never had a chance anyway but I cannot get it out of my head the fact that they let it grow for 6 weeks and that she may have had a better chance of survival in Thailand. I don't know enough to make a judgement call on this but I am seeking answers and information. And yes I feel guilty that I didn't get her home immediately. I am not trying to feel better about this because I can't bring her back and if anything I'm of the opinion that she would have had a better chance in Thailand.

I hope some of you can help me put the jigsaw together a little even if it confirms what I already feel, that I played a major part in her death πŸ’”

Thank you for helping me find my answers πŸ™πŸΌπŸ’”πŸ˜­
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The post reflects on the deep grief and guilt experienced by a partner after losing someone to cancer. The author expresses anguish over the timing of medical decisions and whether relocating to Thailand earlier could have changed the outcome. Comments from the community offer empathy, insights on healthcare differences, and encouragement to focus on the love shared rather than on regrets, highlighting the complexities of grief and the challenges of processing such a loss.
Nigel *********
My second wife died from cancer, if you catch at stage 1 or 2 you have a good chance to stop it. Once it starts to spread around the body you have very, very little chance to survive and cancer as you know is a horrible death for her. My wife's doctor ignored all the signs for 18 months till it was too late. I had to bring up 2 children as best as I could without there mum. Like you, even now I feel I could have done more.

Life is very unfair for good people and it will take a long time for you to feel normal again. Hang on in there and be strong, that is what your partner would have wanted for you. Best of luck.
Tony *********
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@Nigel ********
- thank you Nigel and sorry for your loss too. Sounds like a nightmare too. Unfortunately there isn't enough preventative measures it's all reactive often when it's too late. Regular scans are the only answer.

I am happy to just through each day at the moment. It is going to be a hard and long road πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Cory **********
It’s a terrible messed up unfair situation. She passed away in a foreign land so I understand all the guilt. I lost a daughter and it was her birthday Saturday. The why never gets answered and nothing we can do can bring them back. Find ways to honor her and be kind to yourself. I meditate and imagine she is with me. I even speak to her even if she never responds and tell her how sorry I am. Are you sleeping at night? Sleeping pills if not. Be kind to yourself, honor her, and make sure you are getting enough sleep.
Tony *********
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@Cory *********
- thank you Cory for your kind words and thoughts. I am already doing some of the things you mentioned such as talking to her. I believe she is looking down on me πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Brook ********
I’m sorry you had to go through this.

You have absolutely zero control once cancer begins to spread which is likely before she even arrived.

I’m sure she was comforted by your presence and care.
Tony *********
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@Brook *******
- thank you for your kind words and thoughts πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Adrian ********
As a cancer survivor you did the best thing you could get her treatment some of us make it some don’t she had the care but sadly some of us cancer spreads too far just remember you did what you could it’s out your hands if doctors can save us we’re lucky but sadly can’t save us all sorry for your loss
Tony *********
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@Adrian *******
- thank you for your kind words and thoughts πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Minh *******
So sorry for your loss πŸ₯²πŸ’ I do think she’d have better chance to survive here in Thailand than anywhere else. We have good healthcare system in Thailand. Though it can be expensive but it’s available anytime. That’s why we chose to retire here.
Christopher ***********
@Minh ******
Thai private hospital would be more comfortable than N.H.S. U.K. But we're not talking about routine ops such as varicose veins and hernia's. Also, doctor would have needed to certify Chanpen as fit to fly. Airline may not have agreed to accept the risk even after that.
Tony *********
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@Christopher **********
- they made many screw ups including no biopsy until they removed the tumour which they let grow extensively for 6 weeks. I am of the view faster removal would have increased her chances of survival and getting chemo πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Christopher ***********
@Tony ********
Tumour is the symptom, the disease is the cancer cells in the bloodstream. Treating the symptom doesn’t cure the disease. Cancer doctors tell you very little because nobody wants to hear they’ve got cancer. My Mother recently died of metastatic disease. In the hospital MEU (Medical Evaluation Unit) they performed three tests; endoscopy, CT scan and, of course, the most reliable indicator, blood tests. All three produced false negative results until three weeks before death when the blood test results became abnormal. Later, I asked my GP if this was normal? She replied; β€œyes, it often is”. My GP took early retirement the other week as she now has breast cancer.
Tony *********
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@Christopher **********
- very interesting Chris and I am sorry for your loss too.

With Chanpen I know that it was localised and had not spread to other areas (metastatic). I am not saying she would have survived but I think the delay in operating massively worsened her chances of survival. She also had many blood tests and these were steady. Not brilliant but not terrible either she was hanging in there. I personally believe that the 6 weeks delay killed her because once it had grown into her intestine she had no chance of survival due to the damage this did especially from a nutritional point of view. I will get to the bottom of what happened but unless the hospital proves me wrong with evidence I will continue with my view that they massively reduced her chances of survival with their actions. It wasn't just one thing but a whole string of things over 4 months.

They wouldn't offer her chemo because she wasn't well enough and I firmly put this down to the large parts of her large and small intestine removed because the tumour had attached itself to it. In the end they wouldn't even scan her to show me where the cancer was. I agree 100% they hide things from you way too much this only makes everything more difficult to deal with. πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Tony *********
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@Minh ******
- thank you so much for your kind words and thoughts.

I can't help but think that myself but many others say something different. It's difficult to say. I just think quick action removing the tumour immediately would have given her a better chance. πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Randy *********
Tony, I am sincerely sorry for your loss. Losing a partner is devastating under the most routine circumstances, but your variables and aggravating factors make things that much more challenging to make sense of.

Tony, I’ve been a social worker in healthcare for 20+ years. While I don’t have a magic pill to make everything better, I do invite you to DM me if you like and I would be happy to chat with you to try to ease some of the intense emotions it sounds like you’re experiencing. My thoughts are with you Tony and whether or not it feels

like it, your partner was very fortunate to have you in her corner and by her side. πŸ™
Tony *********
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@Randy ********
- thank you Randy for your kind offer. I am just trying to get through each day. I am in shock and my grief is beyond words. I will message you if I can't cope and thank you again. I have found doing this post very supportive people have been so kind πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Mike *****
So sorry.

The UK would be expected to provide the best option for healthcare. Sadly, these systems often take longer than they should. Choosing the UK was the decision just about anyone would make. Grief from your loss is expected but you did nothing wrong. It was a sad outcome but life can be cruel some time. Take care during this difficult time.
Tony *********
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@Mike ****
- thank you Mike, it's the most difficult and saddest time of my life. I am in shock. It will be a very long road πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Dawn ********
I’m so sorry for your loss. You are not responsible for anything that has happened with your partner. Have comfort that you was together, that you reunited in her last few weeks. Otherwise you would be living with regret. The tumour cells would of been growing for sometime, they call many cancers the silent killer no symptoms til it’s too late! Sepsis alone has such a short response time. It probably wouldn’t of mattered what country she was in if they hadn’t caught it in it’s first stage. It’s a natural feeling, if you think i could of done more! You have to reflect on the happy times & memories you shared. give yourself time. Be kind to yourself πŸ₯°. X
Tony *********
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@Dawn *******
- thank you Dawn for your wise words. I am trying to put the jigsaw puzzle together but it can never be completed because there is no answer to the question why? πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Penny *********
So sorry for your loss, please do not blame yourself or the hospital. Cancer killed her. 17 cm is very large for a tumour. Sepsis also kills.

Try to remember her with love

You did nothing wrong.

You can still say the things to her you want or need to say πŸ˜₯πŸ˜₯πŸ˜₯πŸ˜₯
Tony *********
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@Penny ********
- thank you Penny for the kind words. I know that you are right. I am in shock and just trying to get through each day πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Rob ********
Fuck me . You didn’t do anything wrong , maybe the nhs could have performed better , don’t know , but what I do know from this message is your still here , look after yourself , go visit family , not your fault , nobody knows there end date ., chin up , and take care of family and yourself .
Tony *********
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@Rob *******
- thank you Rob, just trying to get through each day πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Mike *******
So sorry for your loss Tony. You did the best you can, so try not to beat yourself up. On your question regarding being better off in Thailand … this country, while it does have excellent medical facilities, is extremely slow. Given the cultural aversion to bad news, windows of opportunity are often missed. So, no.

Take care mate.
Tony *********
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@Mike ******
- thank you Mike for the insight. I can't bring her back for a second chance so I will be guided by what people say. I guess I couldn't have done anymore than I did πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Patricia *******
My heart goes out to you and let me assure you that she would have been worse off over here, in Thailand where the level of medical care is still far behind the West. My ex nearly died from the doctor's mistake. Numerous animals that I helped died due to vet's negligence, inadequate, outdated education or lack of common sense. Thailand is really not a country where you want to be treated for something serious like that. Hospital wards with no soap in the bathrooms confirm that. Please, don't feel guilty, you gave her the best chance she had. Even with a different course of actions like earlier operation, going back home, the outcome could have been the same, especially with sarcoma being such an agressive form of cancer. I'm sorry to keep bringing animals to it but I did have a dog with this type of cancer and I was told from the start that there is no point in surgery. It is so fast growing that sadly there is no escape. My deepest condolences. I'm sure she would not want you to feel guilty over anything. This sadly is just one of life's tragedies, we never know how long we are given. Take comfort in knowing that you gave her love and support that was with her till the end. ❀
Tony *********
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@Patricia ******
- thank you Patricia for these kind words. It's interesting what you say about the medical situation in Thailand I guess I was wanting clarification because you always think 'what if?'. I posted on some other groups and overwhelmingly every one has said much the same that I did my best. I am still in shock about what has happened. It's heart breaking πŸ’”πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Patricia *******
@Tony ********
I can only imagine Tony but let the time do some healing too. We are only here for a blink of eye, don't let the torment take over and deprive you of the good moments waiting for you in the future. You are a good person and it's time to let go of the guilt. ❀
Tony *********
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@Patricia ******
- thank you Patricia I appreciate this so much πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌ
Klaus ******
I'm sorry don't feel guilty, because it's not your fault. Be strong please πŸ™
Tony *********
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@Klaus *****
- thank you Klaus for your kind words and thoughts, πŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌ
Rosh ********
Hi Tony.

I am so sorry for your loss.

Sadly we can't change anything about our past. Be strong Tony... You might think u should have done this or that, but you don't know what would happen if you did other things. Let the truth stand and grieve about it.

Stay strong.
Tony *********
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@Rosh *******
- thank you Rosh...the jigsaw puzzle is now 95% complete. I am learning so much tonight and its coming together. I have loved the caring support out there I thank you all πŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌ
Bruce *****************
My father was a doctor, i had a friend with sarcoma he said when they get sarcoma everyone dies, even if she made it to Thailand she still die 100 percent, Thailand has no pallitive care so no pain killers near the end, very painful to die in thailand, not your fault you can not beat cancer
Tony *********
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@Bruce ****************
- thank you for your kind words. I didn't know about the palliative care situation in Thailand. I thought that they had morphine but thank you anyway. Everyone is saying the same thing that she had no chance no matter where she was. For me it's putting every jigsaw piece into place then I can rest πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Stig **************
So sorry for your loss, but no even in Thailand they'll never had a chance to save her as well.

Stay strong mate.
Tony *********
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@Stig *************
- thank you Stig I appreciate your comments that's the great mystery for me but certainly most people are saying the same thing. Obviously it doesn't make me feel any better it just puts a few more of the jigsaw pieces into place πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Christopher ***********
So sorry. A doctor once explained to me that the huge problem with cancer therapy is that the patient cannot live long enough for the treatment to kill off the cancer cells. Also, to say that cancer is difficult to diagnose is the understatement of the Century. I’m unfortunately sure the outcome would have been the same wherever. Sepsis and air travel don’t mix. Your lady would have suffered.
Tony *********
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@Christopher **********
- thank you Christopher I appreciate your comments. I think she wasn't too ill with the sepsis during the 10 day window I remember reading that you would need an oxygen cylinder I think she could have got home in that window. I appreciate though what you said and about cancer in general πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Darren *********
Very sorry for your loss. I flew back to care for my mother in 2016 who also had cancer. I had a very similar experience to you, so much time was wasted, and it went from 'you have two options' to 'several months to live'. We were quite angry. After she passed away, I returned to Thailand to find that my fiancΓ©e had run off with a rich Korean guy. Definitely a low point in my life. However, I persevered with my original plans. My mom had told me to 'go and have a good life' - so I did, it kind of honoured her memory as well. I met my wife of five years, built a house, had two wonderful kids and completed my teaching degree which led to my dream job. You can't change the past, just put all that energy that sadness and loss can cause into taking care of yourself in the future. I am sure that it is what Chanpen would have wanted for you. You played a major part in her life. I wish you good luck TonyπŸ™
Tony *********
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@Darren ********
- wow Darren what a story you have to tell too! Can't believe you returned from such grief to find out about the ex...as the saying goes you missed a bullet although obviously it didn't feel like that at the time. It's heartwarming to hear that from that gloom you rose up and sorted out a better life for yourself.

I can totally relate to what you said about the medical situation. For me I question why she wasn't told to return home and then they did nothing for 6 weeks. Someone else has said that she probably wasn't well enough but she should have been sent home at the earliest opportunity. Thanks again for your support πŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌ
Sam ******
Please don't be so hard on yourself... hindsight is just that, hindsight. You sound like you did as much as you could under the circumstances and she at least had you with her for her final days.... I'm really sorry and may her dear soul rest in peace. Godspeed to healing.
Tony *********
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@Sam *****
- thank you so much for your kind words and thoughts. I have found a tremendous amount of comfort from reading all the lovely supportive comments. I am still putting the jigsaw together but tonight I think it's maybe now 95% complete. She was such a wonderful woman I miss her beyond words πŸ’”πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Sam ******
@Tony ********
take a deep breath and be kind to yourself. πŸ™
Cliff *********
Tony, such a sad story.

I’m a physician and can say this was basically bad luck on her part and NOT your fault.

Sarcomas are very fast growing and difficult to cure. Surgery is the best option and only when it is small.

Tumor in the abdomen is hard to find early on, especially if she had no symptoms. Biopsy into the abdomen is not easy anyways.

She probably had advanced disease even before she traveled.

The stress of travel maybe didn’t help, but she would have become very ill in Thailand also.

Sepsis is difficult to recover from and she was not likely a candidate for surgery at that time.

She was probably happy to spend some time with you…..

I hope this helps and you can find some peace.
Cliff *********
Tony….Don’t beat yourself up and second guess what could have been.

Yes she could have probably gone back to Thailand and passed away with her Thai family.

Instead she spent a little more time with you…..

That’s good right?
Tony *********
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@Cliff ********
- thank you Cliff it's coming together thanks to everyone's comments and support πŸ™πŸΌ....I would have travelled to Thailand with her. I now have to take her remains back to Thailand for her family to carry out the Thai rituals πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Tony *********
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@Cliff ********
- thank you so much Cliff for your kind words and comments. It's great to hear it from a medical practitioner because obv I'm trying to put everything together. The sepsis was caused by the tumour blocking the tube from the kidney to the uterus. I guess once this started she was in a permanent downward spiral. I hadn't even heard of sepsis originally and have since learnt it is a big killer. Would you believe I told her you can't die from an infection? What a numpty πŸ™„... I have learnt so much these past months. May I ask you a very important question? What is your opinion of her travelling back to Thailand when she was first discharged? I am 100% sure she would have been able to get home. She was doing well during those 10 days. Anyway thank you again for everything you have said its much appreciated πŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌ
Mike *******
What sas story !!!!!! I feel very much for you.

However:

Nothing , or no one can change the past !!!

You made all the right choices with the facts available and should be very proud of the care and love you gave.

Unfortunately, the outcome was not what you wanted.

Whilst one understands the reasons for going over:

'what if ' it doesn't help. Nor does saying don't go over it again in you mind.

The more you love the more it hurts!!!

If you reflect on the past please think about the happy times first !!!

Wishing you peace in your future !!!
Tony *********
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@Mike ******
- thank you Mike very wise words. The lovely words and support from everyone have really helped me. I am now able to better come to terms with my role. I still have some doubts and will continue to research a little more but I have found people's comments uplifting πŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌ
Mike *******
@Tony ********
Wishing you the very best in your difficult time !!!
Sabrina *****************
You can't name yourself. What ifs are endless. As above mentioned everything you did was in love. You will heal from this. Grieve your process but don't forget to live your life too! It's what she would have wanted too πŸ€πŸ™

Namaste
Tony *********
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@Sabrina ****************
- thank you Sabrina I am trying to make sense of what has happened. The grief is beyond words. She was my world, my life. I know in time it should get better but to lose someone who was so incredible hurts like a dagger in my heart. It will take a very long time to come to terms with my loss. I thank you for your kind words and support πŸ˜”πŸ’”πŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌ
Sabrina *****************
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Russell *******
So sorry for your situation. Having lost all my family and had cancer myself,I understand your situation as much as I can. Your feelings sounds normal to me , it will just take you time to process what has happened.

From what you explained it sounds like she was already in that situation before arriving in the UK. The beauty is that she came to see you .

I am also from the UK , where do you live ? πŸ™
Tony *********
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@Russell ******
- thank you Russell for your kind words and thoughts. Yes it was possible that her tumour was already growing before she arrived but with sarcoma anything is possible. You are right I am trying to 'process' it all. I am questioning everything especially myself. It will take time to put the jigsaw together.

I am in Sheffield currently but originally from Southampton what about you?
Russell *******
Tony Handley Your welcome . I am from London but was last living in Hove next to Brighton. I now live in Thailand as I have retired. I left the UK just after the first lockdown was lifted.

Are you working or have things to occupy yourself ?

Rain season here , I imagine there a fair bit of rain in Sheffield ? πŸ˜ƒ
Tony *********
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@Russell ******
- retired Russell, I shall take her home within the next 6 months and after a further period of 6 months I shall be a no mad traveller. Not what I planned but I can't stay here πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Russell *******
@Tony ********
Morning Tony, sorry for the late reply.

I never really plan this either, but I am very happy here and the life it offers me.

Have you thought about bereavement counseling? It might be worth looking into it .

I take it you like being in Thailand . UK is so expensive to live. My daughter lives in Sowerby bridge which I believe is close to you . πŸ™πŸ˜ƒ
Tony *********
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@Russell ******
- thank you Russell. Yes I love Thailand but not sure I can stay there now as its too painful knowing the life I should have had with Chanpen. I wanted to give her so much. We were due to get married first and then I want to take her to Japan. After we would have had 3 holidays a year in Thailand and one abroad. She had only ever visited me once here before so I wanted to give her so much especially as she deserved a better life. I am devastated that I never got the opportunity to give her this happiness.

I hate it here and yes the UK is ridiculously expensive. I am planning on doing 6 months each in 4 countries once I leave Thailand ➑️ Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia and Vietnam. That will take me 2 years to complete. Then I will see where to settle I'm thinking Cambodia because I read its cheap and easy to get the visas but I will have 2 years to do my research.

Yes I will be getting some counselling as soon as possible πŸ‘πŸΌπŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Russell *******
@Tony ********
morning Tony. I think you just need time to process the situation, it's normal you will be confused.I would imagine you did what you could for her.You life has been tipped upside down and only time can help you overcome that. Great that you feel counseling can help you, just try to get it sooner rather than later.

It's also normal to not be comfortable where ever you are right now.

The positive thing is in time you will have a clearer picture of the whole situation and this will allow you to readjust and focus on finding happiness again.

I here Cambodia is great and cheaper and easier in many ways.

Have you tried getting out for long walks in the countryside , it's amazing what exercise can do .

Just try to focus on rebuilding your strength as I am sure your partner would of wanted.

Have a good a day as you can , and at least you know you have people to chat with.

Speak soon, strength and light πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™
Tony *********
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@Russell ******
- thank you Russell. I am not ready yet for walks and mobility isn't as great as it was previously. This experience has also affected my health and I am being careful about what I can physically do each day.

I am also trying to focus on our original plans of getting my house ready to let. As soon as I complete this work I can plan to return. There is a lot to do so I'm trying to work through it. I give myself lists of jobs that I try to complete each day. At the moment trying to sort everything in the house out room by room removing as much as possible. Soon I'll start selling as much as possible. It is helping me keeping busy.

It's nice to know that others have heard good things about Cambodia too. As I said lot of time to do my research with my new plans. Thanks again for your support πŸ™πŸΌ
Evan ********
Yes agree with the comments here and there would have been no guarantee doctors in Thailand would have been better and diagnosed it quicker. Many Doctors mis diagnose and waste precious time sadly. Sorry for your loss.
Tony *********
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@Evan *******
- thank you Evan it is one of my big questions....would she have faired better in Thailand. I am still researching this it is very difficult to know. One thing I do know though is that the NHS made big mistakes the biggest of which was not advising her to immediately return to Thailand. They did nothing for 6 weeks but let it grow they didn't even take a biopsy until they removed the tumour. Anyway thank you for your kind words πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Leonard *********
This is very hard to read! I am so sorry for your loss. Many of us expats with Thai partners and straddling two countries face this possibility. Your grief at this time is overwhelming and it’s understandable that you are thinking of all the β€œwhat ifs” but like most others here, I believe that there was no alternative path to chart. To move forward when you are ready, concentrate on her family’s needs in Thailand and what they need to do to see her Soul Rest In Peace. I’ve attached a link for you.

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Tony *********
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@Leonard ********
- thank you so much Leonard for these lovely words and wisdom. I am glad I posted this because its really been eating me up but the overwhelming support and belief is that I did my best. Its obviously made me feel better but I still need to put the final parts of the jigsaw in place to fully accept that there was nothing that I could have done. I have been trying to understand the Thai culture to funerals and reading about Buddhism but still struggling to understand. Her daughter explained some of the rituals that must be performed to release her soul I was a little humble and shocked but understand too. Thank you so much for the link it's the first time I have been given something that I can read to understand it from a Thai perspective even though I have been trying to find out myself. So big thank you for this it's so important for me to understand her family's needs and desires. I shall read it tomorrow as it's nearly 5 am here. πŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌ
Todd ***********
If your decisions came from love then no mistakes were made.
Tony *********
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@Todd **********
- thank you Todd that's a beautiful way to put it. I really appreciate this kind thought πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌ
Alex *******
Very sorry for your loss.
Tony *********
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@Alex ******
- thank you so much for your kind words and thoughts πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌ
Edwin ********
My heartfelt condolences. I realize this must be an incredibly hard period for you. You showed love to her, and experience love *from* her, and I think that is what matters most. Please do not feel bad or blame yourself for anything. You did well, both in tracking her (lack of) progress and in posting this note to us about it all. May God rapidly heal your sense of loss, and also provide you someone "new" and equally supportive. :-)
Tony *********
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@Edwin *******
- thank you Edwin such lovely words. I am finding peoples comments 'healing'. I just need to put the jigsaw together and hopefully I'll be able to accept that I couldn't have done anymore. As for someone 'new' I want only friendship and support and I do have some good friends to turn to so hopefully they will help me πŸ™πŸΌ
Edwin ********
@Tony ********
I think what you just said is an excellent way to start. My heart goes with you!
Steve ********
The decision you made was the right one at the time with the information you had. We all have 20-20 vision with hindsight. The worst two words in the English language are "if only". You need to put these into a balloon and float them away. Grieving is part of the life process. You cannot change the past, so focus on the future. Your future. Time is the greatest healer. You WILL get through this
Tony *********
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@Steve *******
- thank you Steve very wise words. I am beginning to feel a little better reading everyone's comments that I did my best. I do think it's natural though to question if you made the right calls. The problem was we weren't given the correct information to make the correct decisions. If we had she would have passed away in Thailand with her family and friends around her. Anyway thank you for being so honest. As I said I am trying to put the jigsaw together once it's fitting into place maybe I'll be able to come to terms with what has happened better πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Kelash ********
Sorry for your loss . Don't feel so guilty You tried your best . don't think too much that get you into the depression , it's tough time on you, be strong and take care of yourself. ❀️
Tony *********
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@Kelash *******
- thank you Kelash I appreciate your kind words and thoughts. I am trying to come to terms with it and I guess I am analysing everything including myself. Knowledge is everything and sadly we weren't given the information we should have to make the correct decisions πŸ’”πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Kelash ********
@Tony ********
God bless you
Bam *****
I’m so sorry for your loss. You did the best you could. Please don’t take it hard on yourself, allow yourself to hurt and grieve as it is a healthy process but please don’t blame yourself or think of the β€˜what if’s’ because you did the best you could and you took care of your partner and stayed by her side, did what you could at your fullest extent.
Tony *********
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@Bam ****
- thank you Bam Bam everyone has said this and everyone said that I did as much and more than possible. I can't help but wonder about many things though maybe it's just my personality? It's the 10 day window and fact they did nothing for 6 weeks that's upsetting me the most. She fought to the end she just needed a little help πŸ’”πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
Bonnie *******
That big of a tumor and so advanced. They wouldn't have been able to save her in Thailand either
Ross ********
@Bonnie ******
agreed....sorry for loss...don't beat yourself up just cherish your time together
Tony *********
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@Bonnie ******
- thank you Bonnie I am seeking answers. They let it grow even bigger here twice as big we think. I can't help wondering if it was removed immediately she might have had a chance but I respect your opinion. It was regarded as large from first detection πŸ˜”πŸ™πŸΌ
George *********
Are you familiar with The Five Stages of Grief?

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Read this.

As for the rest, I can’t speak to your timeline of events. All too many Facebook experts will be offering their opinions. Be prepared.
Tony *********
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@George ********
- thank you George I have read a little but will check out your link πŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌπŸ™πŸΌ
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