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What are the requirements for applying for the DTV from abroad, especially for those not currently registered in their home country?

Aldina ****
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Hello everyone 😊 Does anyone know more about the new DTV regulation from 31.08.?

A friend has permanently unsubscribed from Germany and is currently traveling, so is currently not permanently registered anywhere.

Is it possible to obtain permanent residence status relatively easily in countries such as Vietnam, Laos, Indonesia or Malaysia in order to be able to submit the DTV application from there?

Does anyone have experience with it or is in a similar situation? 🙏
Answer summary
A poster inquired about the new DTV regulations effective from August 31 and whether a friend, who is no longer permanently registered in Germany, can easily acquire permanent residency in Southeast Asian countries to apply for the DTV. Responses highlighted the complexities of obtaining permanent residency in other countries, reiterated the necessity of being registered or a citizen of the country when applying for the DTV, and clarified that applications can be submitted online through Thai embassies, as long as the applicant meets the required criteria.
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Angelo ***********
Angelo ***********
You do not need permanent residency. You only need to be in the country where the embassy is.
OrangeLo*********
OrangeLo*********
The new DTV regulation is about where you are eligible to submit the application, not where you must physically depart from when travelling to Thailand. Since the DTV application is submitted online, you may be physically present in a third country while the application is being processed, provided that the application is lodged through the Thai embassy/consulate covering your country of nationality or permanent residence and you meet its requirements. Once the DTV has been approved and issued, there is generally no requirement to enter Thailand from that same country—you can travel to Thailand from a third country and use the DTV for entry. The key issue is therefore the jurisdiction under which the DTV application is submitted, not the country from which you subsequently fly to Thailand.
CaringCe********
CaringCe********
I think we are about to see many different interpretations of what “Permanent Resident” means, both from the Thai Embassies around the world, and from applicants.

Of course as many have mentioned in this thread, permanent resident is in many (but not all) countries a specific visa/immigration status, such as a green card in the US.

However, “permanent resident” can also simply mean the please you live and work - where you have your house or apartment, you receive your utility bills, have a bank account, etc. - *regardless* of your visa/citizenship/immigration status.

I would expect - but I can’t be sure - that what the Thai Immigration authorities refer to when they want to see evidence of permanent residence, is the latter, not the former.
John **********
John **********
CaringCelery9253 I'm pretty sure you're misinterpreting it. Either you apply in your passport country or you apply in a different country where you have permanent residence (a green card in the US to use your example)
Paul **********
Paul **********
He is permanently registered where his passport is from, just because he's gone travelling, it doesn't mean he's no longer German
Todd *********
Todd *********
Your friend is about to learn some hard life lessons.
Paul **********
Paul **********
Todd McGowan some well needed lessons too.
SereneBu*********
SereneBu*********
Best bet is to resubscribe to Germany or forget about DTV.
Henrik ****
Henrik ****
Most likely some kind of proof of address in Germany will be sufficient. They dont verify if still valid. A driver licence with your address on, a utility bill with your name on, etc. Also, you dont really need "permanent" residency. You need an address... A lawyer can make such a certificate (if they dont mind).
Gary ***********
Gary ***********
There is so much incorrect in this post
Henrik ****
Henrik ****
Gary Colclough, I have tried it several times. In my home country, Denmark, a Health Security Card is the proof they accept for Thai visa. You will get such Health Security Card if you show up at the Citizen Service and tell them that you have the intention to stay Denmark for more than 90 days. The next day you can get it online. And the next day again you can leave the country without any notice. Next day again, you can cancel it again. Next week you apply for your visa without any problem.
Damien ***********
Damien ***********
Henrik JN bullshit rules have changed today you need a police check from home country and nerd to apply from the country u a citizen from
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
Henrik JN You completely missed the new rules starting today?

They explicitly say you need to be citizen of the country you apply in or permanent resident, but according to you they don't know what they require, and you know better?
RadiantC********
RadiantC********
No. Just go back to Germany and get the visa there. Geez...
Enthusiasti***********
Enthusiasti***********
Do you have to physically be in your home country to apply for the DTV? I was under the impression it was done online.
Todd *********
Todd *********
EnthusiasticTurkey2129 from now on, you will need to be in your home country to apply online.
Lynnette *******
Lynnette *******
EnthusiasticTurkey2129 it's applied for on-line through the embassy/ consulate in the country you are permanent resident in.
Enthusiasti***********
Enthusiasti***********
Lynnette Munoz so then you don’t physically have to be in that country…just not inside of Thailand?
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
EnthusiasticTurkey2129 For any visa on the evisa site you need to be in the country you apply
Nongnuch ********
Nongnuch ********
It is the typical Thai way to keep rules as unclear as possible. Because you can't hold a "Permanent Residency" in any country anywhere so easily. The use of the word "permanent" is confusing, because most countries only allow you to become a "temporary resident". This is too complicated for Thai Ministry logic. It defies logic
Ole ***************
Ole ***************
Nongnuch Kamdee My children holds permanent residency in both Thailand and Norway, but get by birth not after.
Nongnuch ********
Nongnuch ********
Ole Kristoffersen "residency" in the EU de-jure means you need to have an living address in the country in order to be a resident of the country. A passport does not constitute a residency, a passport only constitutes the citizenship
RadiantC********
RadiantC********
Nongnuch Kamdee No. Wrong. Again, any expat on a Thai permanent residency visa doesn't need a DTV. They have the ultimate visa short of being a citizen.

Thai embassies abroad want only permanent residents and citizens to apply. Not someone who is studying in that country or on some other type of non-immigrant visa.

It's pretty clear what permanent residency means.
Nongnuch ********
Nongnuch ********
RadiantCamel1017 again: In Thailand, 99.9% of all foreigners in Thailand only have a "temporary residency" because they all are on temporary stay permits.

No expat is on a "permanent residency" and the Thais who worded this wrong text in the DTV E-Visa are amateurish plumbers, because they ignored that many digital nomads have no more "permanent residency" in their home countries. They have migrated from their countries. They are NOT residing in their home countries anymore, tey might hold a postal address but not a registered address. Only the personal REGISTRATION lets you have a "residency". If this residency is permanent or temporary, that's another issue. In Thailand, when you are TM30 registered, you have a residency, but you do NOT have a "permanent residency" in Thailand, because your stay permit is temporary
RadiantC********
RadiantC********
Nongnuch Kamdee You don't seem to understand what permanent residency is. It's a status that is conferred to foreign nationals who have the right to live in the country forever, but don't hold the nationality of that country [yet].

Someone who holds the nationality of the country they're in have full legal rights and can satisfy every box when it comes to "residency". They're citizens. Permanent residents are just one step behind.
RadiantC********
RadiantC********
Nongnuch Kamdee No. It's clear. Most countries offer permanent residency. Either you're a citizen or permanent resident else you can't apply. Other forms of "residency" don't apply. Thailand offers permanent residency too, just that very few foreigners hold it.
Nongnuch ********
Nongnuch ********
RadiantCamel1017 In Thailand, 99.9% of all foreigners in Thailand only have a "temporary residency" because they all are on temporary stay permits.

No expat is on a "permanent residency" and the Thais who worded this wrong text in the DTV E-Visa are amateurish plumbers, because they ignored that many digital nomads have no more "permanent residency" in their home countries.
RadiantC********
RadiantC********
Nongnuch Kamdee No, they didn't word it wrong. There are expats living in Thailand who hold permanent residency. I know some. There are more than you think.

However, in many immigrant receiving countries, permanent residency is a common status. Therefore it makes sense to ask for it as an alternative to those who don't hold the nationality of the country they're living in..

Temporary "residency" isn't really residency. It's just a non-immigrant status and is NOT permanent residency.
Nongnuch ********
Nongnuch ********
RadiantCamel1017 "residency" in the EU de-jure means you need to have an living address in the country in order to be a resident of the country. A passport does not constitute a residency, a passport only constitutes the citizenship
Allan ********
Allan ********
It says Permanent resident not just Resident so it's going to depend how the Embassy interprets the word's Permanent resident.
SharpPe********
SharpPe********
It took me a marriage to become a permanent resident in USA. Haha definitely nothing easy about it

Your friend is a bit late to the game. Time to book a flight to Germany
Vladimir **********
Vladimir **********
You can get a KITAS in Indonesia relatively easy and it is treated as a residency for Japan, Europe, US etc. visas. Will that be treated as a residency for Thai visa - nobody knows yet.
John **********
John **********
@Vladimir *********
it's not permanent residence though, which is the stated requirement
BreezyGi*********
BreezyGi*********
You can’t be serious. Do you know what permanent residency is?
John **********
John **********
I'm not sure what you mean by permanently unsubscribed from Germany? Has he given up his German nationality in favour of another nationality? What passport does he travel with? If it's a german passport that's where he goes to get a police certificate and apply for the DTV
Steve******
Steve******
@John *********
what she meant is that in Germany you are not a resident anymore if you don't hold a household. You're still a German citizen but not a resident anymore.

Mostly, people give up the residency because of the tax implications.
SereneBu*********
SereneBu*********
Steve_
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nonsense
John **********
John **********
Steve_
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But citizenship provides the right to reside there permanently if they choose to do so. People are overthinking this and conflating 2 things
Paul **********
Paul **********
Steve_
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being non domicile for tax reasons, doesn't mean they're not still a German citizen
Paul **********
Paul **********
@John *********
it's common sense to most of us
SereneBu*********
SereneBu*********
@John *********
right, I can’t imagine the Thai embassy saying a German passport holder applying from Germany is somehow not eligible to apply from that location. Police check may be a different obstacle but highly unlikely they refuse an application from a national applying in their home country. A lot of of these people claiming they aren’t qualified to apply from their home country is ridiculous and they’ll be throwing their money away applying from elsewhere or trying to obtain residency in a third country in order to get a DTV. Imagine thinking the best path to DTV is popping over to Laos and getting PR there. 😂
Steve******
Steve******
@John *********
that is true when it comes to the fact that your country of citizenship must "take you back". But if you aren't a resident in Germany from a formal point of view, the citizenship doesn't change anything. You won't get any document supporting the residency.
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
It's absolutely NOT easy to get permanent resident status in another country. It's not something you just pop in and get. It takes many years in most countries, and is impossible for most. Thailand is one example where it's nearly impossible to get permanent residence, and takes 3-5 years (if you're lucky).

He will need to return to Germany if he wants any chance of being approved for a DTV, or he needs to make a new (different visa, different country).

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