What are the best visa options for an American expat in Thailand who plans to marry and start a family?

Jul 29, 2023
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เตเต้ ******
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American, non-retirement age, with long history of only tourist visas here.

Have first Thai child due in early Jan 2024. Plan to marry with gf of 5+ years before I depart September 21, IF I can secure appt with US Embassy BKK (or perhaps CM consulate) to get affidavit re being free to marry etc…if Ubon Amphur requires it, which I’m planning to confirm same post-holiday. I plan to continue to work in US as much as possible while attempting to secure US visa f/ wife and US passport/citizenship f/ child.

My question(s):

- What are my best visa options/extension combos/etc…that will allow me to spend minimum 5-6 months in Thailand without holding funds in a Thai bank OR requiring me to make visa runs?

- What is the easiest visa path that will allow me to get a work permit if wife & I start a business that will allow me to supplement my US income while we wait for the US visa process to complete?

- 2023 was in country from Feb 13 to Sept 21 on air arrival/visa exempt + ext, (Laos) TR60 + ext, (Laos) TR60.

Am I ok to come back between Jan-March 2024 visa exempt?

TIA 🙏🏼
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An American expat, expecting a child in Thailand and planning to marry his long-term girlfriend, seeks advice on visa options that will allow him to stay in Thailand for 5-6 months without maintaining funds in a Thai bank or making visa runs. Suggestions include applying for a multiple entry tourist visa or a Non-O visa based on marrying a Thai national, which requires border runs every 90 days. Additionally, there are recommendations regarding the U.S. visa process for his wife and child.
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Dimitri ********
If your name is on he Thai birth certificate you can get a 3 month Non O visa at the Thai consulate for taking care of your child. You can extend that visa with 2 months if you take your girlfriend + child when applying for he extension. That is what I always do. In the case 5 months is not enough you can go to Laos and quickly back for a 1 month VE. Which can also be extended with1 month. I did that once when my 5 months were not enough. If you want a Non O for more than 3 months you need to officially recognize your child in Thailand.
Ray **********
If you are legally married and you return to the U.S. you can get a 1year visa based on being married to a Thai citizen at the Thai embassy or consulate in the U.S. .You will need a multiple entry visa as you will have to do a border run every 90 days.I have been doing this for 17 years.The Thai embassy has the requirements on their website.
James ***********
Can’t you get a “fiancee visa” for your girlfriend for the US?
Stuart *********
As per staying in Thailand for 5-6 months you have options of either applying for a multiple entry tourist visa which gets you 60 days on entry per time. You can opt for an extension on each entry or a border bounce to activate the next entry, or a single entry tourist visa and then applying for an initial extension and then a “visit family” visa (assuming you’re married by that time).
Stuart *********
Can’t help on anything related to this post but a recent post on here suggested that applying for a fiancé visa for the US was way easier than a married entry. Can’t comment either way but have a read and decide for yourself.

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เตเต้ ******
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@Stuart ********
heard the same and believe me I would go that route if it weren’t for the fact that if we don’t get married before the child is born and/or I legitimize the child post-birth whilst unmarried (a 3 month process I’ve heard) and then I die there’s hardly a chance for the child, much less the mother to receive my SS death benefits/payments. I don’t even think my current company life insurance will allow me to post them as beneficiaries either. Add to that my job isn’t the most safe either which is another reason why I’d like to have this taken care of. I’m ok with the wait since we never really intend on the child going to school in the states any way. This is all just a means of allowing me more time to work and not having to leave for Thailand every year to 18 months.
Stuart *********
@เตเต้ *****
Sorry can’t really advise on this. There’s lots of Americans in this group that may well be able to help. There’s also lots of facebook groups advising on getting their wives into the US and the various options.
เตเต้ ******
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@Stuart ********
appreciate it either way. Ultimately I’ll have to get a lawyer on both sides involved and get as many state/fed reps to “help”. Any info here or elsewhere just helps me prepare myself with some knowledge and insight before I spend $$$ getting started. Immihelp and Visa Journey forums are so inundated with posts at this point post-Covid that I think mods there have just started creating stickies because even members aren’t answering posts anymore.
Stuart *********
@เตเต้ *****
yeah I just don’t know about entry options to the US. Good luck in your endeavours.
Dirk **************
You better bring some time. From the moment I had the Marriage Affidavit notarized by the US embassy in Bangkok it took us 5 weeks to finally getting married on June 20.
เตเต้ ******
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@Dirk *************
yeah those 15min appointment dates at the embassy are taken months in advance. I don’t think I can get it done in Chiang Mai either. Some have said on other forums that certain amphurs don’t require it and some do. I’ll know for sure after this holiday is up.
Dirk **************
เตเต้ สตีฟ the trick with embassy appointments is to look about 2-3 weeks in advance. They update regularly and typically they only open the calendar a maximum of 4 weeks in advance. We did it at Bang Rak. After we had the documents translated and notarized by the MFA the Amphoe Bang Rak inspected them and then gave us an appointment three weeks after the initial visit. But again, each Amphoe is different so this is probably where I would start.
Steve *******
May want to check US embassy sites and people on here will give you a lot of info.

One thing I recall seeing in a similar string was - marry her IN the US. Get the tourist visa, get her to the US and marry her there and start the process.
เตเต้ ******
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@Steve ******
I would but we need to be married here for my childs birth to be legitimized so I can start the citizenship process, passport for the child.
Geoff **********
@เตเต้ *****
its been a few years for me but when I applied for a visa to get mh now wife a US Visa the fiancee visa (then get married within 3 months of arriving in the US) was much faster to get than the visa for a wife.
Richard *********
@เตเต้ *****
NO; u do not need to be married to get ur child US citizenship< My daughter was born out of wedlock and had her us passport before she was 1
Brandon ************
You can't just make a requirement that you won't keep money in Thailand but you also refuse to do border or visa runs. You choose one or the other.

The most time you'll be able to get after you're married is by purchasing a tourist visa before you travel to Thailand, getting the 30 day extension, then filing for a "visiting Thai family" extension which will give you 60 more days. That's 150 days total.

If you go to Savannakhet and get the non-O multiple entry visa based on being married to a Thai, you won't be required to show any proof of funds, but you'll only receive permission to stay in Thailand for 90 days each time you enter during the 1 year validity of the visa. So if you do a border run every 90 days you can stay for 1 year + 150 days if you bounce one last time right before the visa ends and then apply for the 60 day visiting Thai family extension. You can only apply for that extension one time during the yearlong validity of the visa though.
เตเต้ ******
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@Brandon ***********
thanks! I appreciate it! I just don’t have the funds available to do runs or visas that require funds with a child on the way and saving up for the US visa and interviews. If I can get the back to back extensions I think I’ll be ok until I can afford to stay longer! Thanks!!
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