Do I need to apply for an E-Visa for Thailand if I am extending my Visa on arrival and applying for a non-immigrant O visa?

Jan 3, 2025
4 days ago
Wil *******
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Hello Everyone.

I have a flight to Thailand on 01/21 and I heard that all Visa's starting in 2025 will have to be processed through the E-Visa system.

I am planning on extending my Visa on arrival and apply for a non immigrant O visa. Will I need to now change my plan and apply through the E-Visa system? I had already purchased my ticket in Nov 2024.

Thanks for any help.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The user is inquiring about whether they need to apply for a Thai visa through the new E-Visa system for their upcoming trip on January 21, 2025. It's noted that as a U.S. citizen, they will enter Thailand under a visa exemption which allows a stay of 60 days. They can extend this once for an additional 30 days without needing a visa prior to arrival. While the E-Visa system is becoming mandatory for most nationalities, the user won't be using a visa on arrival, but rather an entry stamp. There are further suggestions to consider applying for the Non-Immigrant O visa before traveling.
Tony **********
Apply for the non-o in the US before you go. If you get it before you arrive, great. Otherwise you'll ever in a 60 day exempt entry. Then, when you're evisa is approved, you'll need to exit and reenter to activate it. Down your exempt time looking for housing.
Stephen ********
You don't need any visa for a stay upto 90 days. Just turn up, get stamped in for 60 days visa exempt

If need be, extend for an additional 30 days at whatever immigration office is serving the area where you are staying
Elías ********
You're not getting a visa on arrival, those can't be extended (only 15 days and that's it). You're entering on a visa exemption. Diferent terms, different things.
Bart **************
Why do you not get non-O before going?
Anthony ******
Just to confirm if less than 6o days then turn up at immigration and they stamp your passport
Anthony ******
Anthony ******
Michael ********
Zzzzzz
Frankie *******
It's online e visa hve v to be filled out before entering thailand just like in singapore.
Michael *******
@Nongnuch *******
they will also use it to collect the tourist tax that been mooted for past 2 years, and delayed because Airlines, Hotels and Airports refused to enable the collection, for obvious reasons.
Nongnuch ********
@Michael ******
300.- Baht, collected through the E-Visa online system, using a credit card ? And what happens to those who have valid tourist visa, they don't need the ETA - will it be paid by topping up the visa fees by 300.- THB? That remains to be seen . . 😉
Michael *******
DTV visa holders may be required to get the ETA, they would then pay the tax along with other tourists, or they may be exempted…..small number compared with the 19m tourists every year……
Nongnuch ********
@Michael ******
35 millions in 2024
Michael *******
Perhaps, but there are so many systems out there, even the PH has it now, consultants will cut and paste, they have successfully rolled out Evisa in their embassies and my wife used the Singapore site, and it’s very efficient. The revenue from tourist tax collection provides a significant incentive that will be too good for Thai govt to miss…..they will also need to install e gates at all intl airports for it to work effectively as well - will make life easier for those of us who still travel, no more waiting at immig…….bring it on…
Michael *******
@Nongnuch *******
they will presumably pay the tax when they apply for their tourist visa at their embassy, which is moving to Evisa this year I believe…..good news is those of us on retirement visas will be exempt not sure what they will do about DTV
Nongnuch ********
and to add insult to injury - on three embassies (Yangon, Vientiane and Savannakhet), you cannot pay the visa fee electronically by the E-visa system. You will need to visit these embassies personally in order to pay by cash
Nongnuch ********
@Michael ******
you see - this planned tourist tax and the planned ETA, are a Gordian Knot still to be un-knitted. It is technically a pretty mess waiting to happen
Nongnuch ********
@Michael ******
the DTV is a tourist visa class. However that's when it gets haywired: The only point where DTV holders would have to pay a tourist tax, is at the borders, when re-entering Thailand. It would need an offcial handling cash payments. That's not going to happen
Nongnuch ********
@Frankie ******
HERE is the most updated information on the PLANNED (!!) ETA arrival form. This is the MOST RECENT and correct info you can get about the planned ETA

It has been postponed indefinitely. It has NOT been implemented, yet. Nobody knows when it will start.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is boosting the introduction of the new ETA (Electronic Travel Authorization) which will be compulsory for visa exempt foreigners each and every time before they enter Thailand by air, land or sea.

Although the ETA is not technically a visa, it is certainly a computerized check rather like the upcoming ETIAS program for visa exempt visitors to the European Union’s Schengen area which is designed to enhance security, discourage irregular migration and monitor high epidemic risks.

Email confirmation that entry is permitted will normally be issued within 24 hours.

Thailand’s 60 days visa exempt policy for 93 countries – in reality covering the vast majority of foreign tourists – was introduced in mid-July.

No prior approval is required, and the 60 days can be extended for 30 more by applying at a Thai immigration office.

It is then possible to leave the country for an hour or so – using the border run minibus tours widely available – and repeat the whole process. Indefinitely, as many people believe, making it questionable whether foreigners need bother with Elite, retirement extensions, family visas etc etc.

The advent of the ETA was scheduled for a phased entry in Thailand between December 2024 and June 2025 and was expected to be free. It will apply solely to visa exempt arrivals and require an application by the e-portal (thaievisa.go.th) which will then become the entry norm for most visitors here across the board.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has not yet published the fine print, so nobody yet knows what documents will need to be uploaded as part of the vetting procedure.

One possibility is the need to show an accommodation address in Thailand as well as a flight out of the country in addition to an inward-bound ticket.

A similar system is operated in Malaysia and Singapore as well as, in part anyway, Cambodia. ETA’s in fact are becoming universal.

Another unknown is whether the algorithm-based ETA system will include trigger points to limit the number of 60 days entries for an individual.

Until July of this year, Thai immigration limited visa-free entrants to two border trips in a year but has since apparently rescinded the rule.

The ETA could reimpose limitations with a computerized rejection slip (rather than a human immigration officer) curtly informing that “you need to get a proper visa”.

The ETA will not be required for diplomats, but there appears to be no exemption for tourists over the age of 70. Some countries use such an exemption as many older people are believed to be non-computer literate.

Once granted, the ETA email authorization sent to applicants will allow entry through electronic immigration gates by using the QR code on the document.

The ETA computerized checks will include passport authenticity, any record of criminal or outrageous behavior in Thailand and any relevant Interpol notices. These are the same checks as currently undertaken by immigration officers at airports or border posts. But they can be time-consuming or lead to arguments which will be avoided in the ETA system.

As with the completely separate Thai personal income tax move for Thais and foreigners living in Thailand for 180 days or more in a calendar year, there is much we do not know about the ETA except that it’s coming for sure. Will airline staff be expected to check for the email before boarding?

The ETA could even be linked to tax issues as repeated use of visa exempt (or the Destination Thailand Visa if extended at immigration) would identify these individuals as tax residents once they remit funds into the country.

Hopefully, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will be forthcoming well in advance about the many details within their cognizance.
Cissi *********
@Nongnuch *******
you write "it will apply solely to visa exempt arrivals"... It is actually planned for visa exempt arrivals AND for people that enter with VOA (Visa on Arrival).
Nongnuch ********
@Cissi ********
I strongly doubt this. Because when citizens of these 31 countries buy their VOA at a booth at the airport (or at land borders), their personal information gets entered into the system, and this procedure replaces the need for an ETA. When the MoFA announced the ETA last year, there was no mention about VOA passengers needing it. . . However as no further details were published, I suggest we just wait and see what happens
Nongnuch ********
@Michael *********
The E-visa website is NOT for the purpose of receiving a 30-days touristic extension, and it also is NOT meant to apply for an appointment on any Immigration inside Thailand.

The E-visa website isn’t even connected to Immigration. It is the official website linked to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, for applying for a visa, and for nothing else.

You must have confused it with the experimental E-extension website, which can only be filled out for Bangkok. And even in this case, it cuts no ice, because even after been issued the 30-days E-extension, you will need to visit Immigration to get the extension stamp inked into your passport.

Depending on the Immigration office you will use, you gotta visit them to find out if you really need an appointment or not
Nongnuch ********
@Michael *********
I just hope you are not already in overstay 😐. if YES, visit Immigration immediately
Michael **********
@Nongnuch *******
Oh no, entered Dec 8, 2024
Nongnuch ********
@Michael *********
get your passport, two passport pictures, a printout or screenshot of the most recent TM30 accomodation registration, and 1900.- THB. Visit Immigration early in the morning and pull a waiting number. On Immigration, you will need to fill out three forms (TM7 and/or TM47, and two acknowledgement-forms. Bring a pen with BLUE ink to fill out the forms. And just wait until it is your turn
Nongnuch ********
@Michael *********
I just saw in your profile, you have been given a lot of bad information just a week ago
Nongnuch ********
@Michael *********
they must have misunderstood you. Where, which Immigration is this?
Michael **********
@Nongnuch *******
I deleted my comment... Maybe in wrong... apologize
Nongnuch ********
@Frankie ******
sorry you are wrong. No E-Visa necessary! And there is no ETA to be filled out, yet. And as a U.S. citizen, he doesn't need a 60-days single entry tourist visa. He can enter visa-exempt (without a visa at all) and will receive a 60-days stay permit stamp
Frankie *******
@Nongnuch *******
correction check the latest thailand news.its up n running the new online E visa submission which is mandatory just like in Singapore I m an america citizen n visa exempt for 90 days in Singapore but but hve to submit E visa arrival card 3 days before arrival n show the flight no place of stay n the purpose of stay n passport no
Jo **********
@Frankie ******
in Singapore it is not an e visa. it’s an electronic arriving card that checks the countries you have visited along with a health declaration
Nongnuch ********
@Frankie ******
What you have to show to enter Singapore, NOBODY HERE has asked for. Even if he flies via Singapore, as long as he doesn't leave the transit area, he doesn't need anything to fill out for Singapore.

The topic is about a visa-exempt entry into Thailand.
Nongnuch ********
@Frankie ******
“check the latest thailand news.its up n running the new online E visa submission which is mandatory just like in Singapore”

You got your wires crossed, man!

NOTHING IS MANDATORY !

Citizens of 93 nations are NOT required an e-visa, if they wish to stay in Thailand for 60 days

They can enter visa-exempt, and they can even extend these 60 days on Immigration for 30 more days, for 1900.- THB

“I m an america citizen n visa exempt for 90 days in Singapore but but hve to submit E visa arrival card 3 days before arrival n show the flight no place of stay n the purpose of stay n passport no”

🧐 What you have to show to enter Singapore, NOBODY HERE has asked for

We are talking about a visa-exempt entry into Thailand.

The OP is planning to apply for the “change of visa type” from the 60-days exempt entry to a “90-days Non-Imm-O Retirement Visa” on Immigration

If you have no clue what you are talking about, you better do NOT comment!
Willem ****
In 90% of the countries it was already mandatory to use the eVisa system to request a visa for Thailand. The recent news was only about the last few countries who now also are in the eVisa system.
Pomm ****
apply for a non-O (OA visa) where you are, you will need to purchase healthcare cover too. If you arrive on a TR visa, sure you can do the non-O in Thailand but you will need an agent to help you sorting out banking stuff. TR visa holder cannot legally open a thai bank account. You have to show fund in your thai bank account for no less than 800k THB. No insurance required if you do this in Thailand.
Wylie *******
@Pomm ***
there is no law saying a tourist cannot open a bank account. Its the banks decision not to. That being said they are refusing to more and more the last few years making it very difficult without an agent.
Pomm ****
wonder why
Wylie *******
@Pomm ***
Why are banks refusing to more and more? My guess is to avoid the hassle, due to increased banking regulations, of opening an account for someone to use temporarily while on vacation. Yes, you need it to apply for the in country non-o, but there's nothing preventing a tourist from lying and saying that's why they need it.
Brandon ************
@Pomm ***
why get the OA visa? Just get the 90 day non-O visa from the embassy before traveling that way opening a bank account is much easier.
Pomm ****
@Brandon ***********
that's great. Good to go.
Nongnuch ********
@Pomm ***
of course he can open a bank account on a visa-exempt entry and on a tourist visa as well, by using an agent. It costs between 4-5000 THB. And I would NEVER EVER recommend getting a Non-Imm-O/A visa, it is the most shittiest visa of them all. He can enter visa-exempt, gets a 60-days stay permit stamp, and open the bank account, transfer the required minimum of 800,000 THB, and apply on Immigration to the initial 90-days Non-Imm-O Retirement visa, easy peasy. No mandatory health insurance required, so he is free to choose
Frangipani *******
@Pomm ***
just one thing, for a non O, you don’t need to purchase health cover. For a non OA, you do. When applying from your home country.
Bob **********
Depending on where your from you don’t need a visa you will be stamped in for 60 days visa exempt which you can extend once for 30 days
Patrick ********
Nongnuch ********
seeing you are a U.S. citizen, you will not enter Thailand with a "visa-on-arrival". You will enter Thailand "visa-exempt" (with no visa at all) and you will be stamped in with a 60-days stay permit. It's an entry stamp, not a visa. All you need is your passport and maybe Immigration wants to see the boarding card. NOTE: the airline at the check-in to the flight, might ask you for a proof of onward travel out of Thailand within these 60 days, they can refuse boarding if you can't comply
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