Can I enter Thailand on a visa exemption and apply for Non-O status during my stay?

Nov 13, 2021
3 years ago
Bryn ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
I was planning on coming to Thailand on visa exempt and then apply for a non-immigrant stay. Then I read this. “The visit is strictly for tourism purposes. They must have a confirmed return ticket to show that they are flying out of Thailand within 30 days of entry, as appropriate. Open tickets do not qualify. Traveling overland out of Thailand by train, bus, etc to Cambodia, Laos, Malaysia (including en route to Singapore), Myanmar, etc may be accepted as proof of exiting Thailand. If you do not possess a flight ticket to show you will be exiting Thailand within 30 days of entry you will be most likely refused entry.” It doesn’t sound quite so easy. Can anyone state whether my plans will work if I show up applying for Non-O status?
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The user is seeking clarification on their plan to enter Thailand on a visa exemption and then apply for Non-O status. They express concerns about the requirement to show proof of onward travel within 30 days, as specified in guidelines they encountered. Multiple comments affirm the necessity of having a confirmed onward ticket to avoid being denied boarding by airlines, and they suggest alternative options like purchasing a refundable ticket or an onward travel ticket for a low cost. The discussion also touches on the consistency of experiences regarding onward travel checks and recent enforcement trends by airlines and immigration authorities.
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Native ****************
Hi, you can try onwardtickets.com and I would encourage anyone interested in this to read FAQ's as there are 2 different onward ticket options
Steve *******
You wont be able to board your flight without a return or onward travel within the validity of your visa/visa exemption.
Michael ********
Thailand has been for many years designated POOT (Pròof of outbound ticket) on the IATA databases. Now the are heavily enforcing lots of airlines have been hit financially last two years and they dont want the extra costs of returning some one
Steve *******
Just get the Non Imm O before you leave. Job done. Much easier than applying in Thailand
Edna *******
I plan applying for a 30 day extension, on line or local immigration office. I have 30 exempt now with return flight, but will change that( no fees due to Covid) when extension approved. Already got insurance to cover what’s needed.
John **************
Already in BKK but i want to extend my 30 day exemption to 60. Do you know how to do that?
John **************
@Edna ******
im in the same situation
Wannikea *********
@Edna ******
extensions are done in person at your local immigration office
Hovvard ******
Just book a flight that you can cancel and get a full refund after you're in Thailand.
Jaz ********
I flew from England, visa exempt, I was denied boarding my flight until I booked a return flight within my 45 day exemption window. I did have a return flight booked on my 60 (I was planning to get a visa in Thailand to extend my stay).
Steve *******
@Jaz *******
Yep. That's because the 30 days extention of stay ISNT a given. Everyone can apply and not many get refused, but it aint a guarantee for the airlines
Stuart *********
@Jaz *******
yes like many others. However unfortunately you’ll find many others preaching that they had no issue getting in with a return ticket 700 days after their visa was going to expire and everyone else should not worry. They did it. So don’t worry.
Gabriel ********
@Stuart ********
no bs....I've never been asked for a return ticket in 15 years of flying into Thai from usa visa exempt....including 3 times this year
Stuart *********
@Gabriel *******
good for you. It purely depends on which airline you use. Some will let you many will not. I don’t have a definitive list of which will or won’t.
Steve *******
@Stuart ********
Haha! Yes, you aint getting on the flight from the UK. Nor most other Countries. People saying they did it are most likely talking 'Bullshit'
Brandon ************
Assuming you joined this group for help and experienced answers. You've received the correct answer multiple times now.

You can argue with us all day, but thinking you win an argument here isn't going to change reality.

Official policy on a short term visa is you must be able to show onward travel within the time of your initial Visa. For Visa exempt you are stamped in for 30 days so you must be able to show onward travel within 30 days or you can be refused entry to Thailand, but most likely you will just be refused boarding by your airline who has a vested interest in you not being refused entry to Thailand.

This has 100% happened to many people. Most of the time they end up buying an expensive ticket at the counter because they're panicked and in a hurry and don't have the time to research an alternative when their flight is in 2 hours and there's a long line at check-in.

Do people get in without having this? Of course they do, but do you want to risk it when it can be prevented ahead of time? I guess that's up to you.
Micah ********
@Brandon ***********
Are they even allowing conversion of tourist to Non-O in country right now?
Brandon ************
@Micah *******
they are as long as you meet the requirements
Oor ********
@Brandon ***********
about time , I constantly read posts where obviously the individuals are seeking information and advice but then they blatantly debate the advice given by those with experience.
Stuart *********
@Brandon ***********
ouch. You tell ‘em. Burn. 😀
Brandon ************
@Stuart ********
the longer I've been in this group, the shorter my fuse has gotten 😅

I think the surge since test&go and Thailand passed was announced really tipped me over the edge 😭
Wannikea *********
@Brandon ***********
totally agree
Stuart *********
@Brandon ***********
as you are aware we get asked the same questions time and time again. I try to respond (when I have time) but just sometimes I’d love to “blow out” and rant.
John ******
Has anybody been refused boarding in USA because the airline checked the validity of the booking number? I bought an onward ticket... But for the COE qualification... So now it's expired. Experiences?
Brandon ************
@John ********
as long as it's with a different airline, I don't think they even have easy capability to do that on their computers. Most airline systems are pretty archaic.
John ******
@Brandon ***********
Good to know. Thx Brandon
Bryn ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
This is the source of my information. I’m just thinking the Thai government may be taking regulations more seriously.
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Marc ********
Where did you read it?
Bryn ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
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Eddie ******
@Bryn *******
this is not an official Thailand government website
Mike *******
My guess is, this is your first time to Thailand, because return ticket or onward is nothing new
Bryn ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Mike ******
Read:
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Mike *******
@Bryn *******
ok, i am not sure what your point is.. it says exactly what my comment was..
Brandon ************
Your plan should be fine, but you will need to show an exit from Thailand within 30 days or your airline will not let you board your flight. Your visa (or lack thereof) means you must leave Thailand within 30 days, so you have to show you will abide by those rules.

You can search google for "onward travel ticket" and rent a ticket for about $10 which will serve as proof if your planned exit and get you past the checks.
Bryn ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Brandon ***********
I looked up the rent a ticket option. They pretty much show it’s a scam for the airline ticket.
Brandon ************
@Bryn *******
you rent a ticket, it's a real and fully refundable ticket, and the company cancels the ticket. You can do the same exact thing yourself if you want to front the money, or you can let someone else do it for you for a small fee. There's literally no difference.

Or you can just buy a $50-60 ticket to a neighboring country and let them keep your money. You have lots of options, but not doing anything is the biggest chance of being denied entry into Thailand.
Salvador *******************
@Brandon ***********
I am in the same situation as .Bryan. can you publish the website of this company that rents tickets? I am also concerned that many nearby countries of Thailand are still closed, would it be worth having a plane ticket to travel to one of these countries?
Bryn ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Salvador ******************
That’s a good question I hadn’t thought about.
Brandon ************
@Salvador ******************
they don't care if you can actually use the ticket or not, just that you have it. So even if it's to a closed border country, it's okay.

You can just Google "onward travel ticket"

Here's the first result that comes up when I do so but there are many options

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Salvador *******************
Bryn ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Brandon ***********
From the website:

Do I receive an e-ticket number?

No, an e-ticket number is not included in a reservation. If you require an e-ticket number, you will need to buy the full ticket.

I was reading somewhere airlines are requiring an e-ticket, not just a reservation.

I’m thinking the best option might be to check ahead of time as to where you might head off to and have it handy for buying the ticket if the airline demands an onward ticket.
Brandon ************
I've heard people say Singapore is a cheap ticket
Bryn ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Brandon ***********
Will have to check travel constraints.
Brandon ************
@Bryn *******
doesn't matter. They don't care if you can actually use the ticket or if there are restrictions, as long as you have it, it's good enough
Bryn ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Brandon ***********
Crazy, ain’t it!?!
Salvador *******************
@Bryn *******
I have my flight from Miami on November 29 and I will post my experience .. I don't know when you are going to travel, but when you do, please post your experience .. it will be useful for everyone .. thank you
Bryn ********
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@Salvador ******************
I arrive BKK on
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Salvador *******************
@Bryn *******
I arrive December 1
Stuart *********
It’s really up to your airline whether they’d let you. Some will some won’t. Book a changeable ticket and change it once you’re here. Or Google “onward flight ticket “ and buy one for around $10.
Stuart *********
Technically the immigration officer may stop you entering if you don’t have a flight out but that would be incredibly rare because they know you can extend or change visa types in country. But in theory it could happen.
Marc ********
@Stuart ********
My travel agency told me I can book a return ticket after 60 days because extention after the 30 days is for granted.

So you say they gave me wrong information?
Stuart *********
@Marc *******
Yes an extension is pretty much always granted (I’ve not known of a case where it hasn’t but it’s up to the discretion of the immigration officer you apply to). However your airline may not take the same approach. As I’ve said you may get away with it. Many don’t. I’d hate to be one of the latter.
Marc ********
@Stuart ********
I even asked twice and they went to the visa service. They said it is totally legal to enter with a return ticket after 60 days. Because I also assumed it needs to be after 30 days.

Where could I read it this with the 30 days of return?
Stuart *********
@Marc *******
Your travel agent may well be right, and you’ll get away without a return/onward ticket. However they aren’t going to be the one arguing with the check-in staff just before boarding your flight. It might work for you. I wish you good luck.
Marc ********
@Stuart ********
No I have a return ticket. But it is after 60 days. They said it is totally legal to enter Thailand with a return ticket after 60 days.

I am worried now sure
Peter ****************
@Marc *******
If you are worried then buy the onward ticket. If you fear that might be refused for some reason (never heard of that though) then buy a ticket direct from an airline company. Money removed fear. Early this year I got 3 covid tests because I feared if I got one I might NOT get the results back in time. As it was I got all back in time. But doing 3 bought me peace of mind. I went to Thailand on TR but my return flight was 89 days out. Earlier this year I went to Brazil on a one way ticket but I bought an onward ticket. At the Delta check-in the person asked when I was returning. I started to fumble for my ownard ticket and the person just said to give them the date and the airline company I was flying on. Immigration in Brazil asked how long I was staying and I said I wasn't sure but probably less than 90 days and they gave me 90 days.
Marc ********
@Peter ***************
I can buy a cheap ticket to Singapore then? Will they not make problems telling me but I can't travel there?
Peter ****************
@Marc *******
I like that. Plan for the worst. But ask yourself, your ticket is 30 days out. Who can predict what will be open or closed then. I bought a ticket back in September from Albania to Portugal. What I "read at the time" indicated that I could make the trip. I later read something else that worried me. I went to the airport in Tirana to speak to the Lufthansa check-in people. I asked if they would refuse me boarding to Portugal Sunday. They said they could not say what would happen Sunday. They also looked at me like I was crazy. So I said, if I flew today, would I be refused boarding. They said they would consult Timatic and see. They said I could board and they said they saw no problems for Sunday but could not promise. BTW, it was a one-way ticket to Portugal and I had no onward ticket and no one asked. Immigration did ask the purpose of my visit and I told them I was doing research on countries to retire to. They liked that answer.
Stuart *********
@Marc *******
I really don’t want to worry you, but I want to point out that what your travel agent is telling you is wrong. It is not legal to enter Thailand on a short term visa without a flight out within the number of days your visa (exempt) allows. Everyone knows that you can get an extension in country. However the airline is obligated to fly you back to your origin if you are denied entry. And theoretically you could be denied entry if you don’t have a flight out. Therefore they may well deny you boarding. I’m not saying it will happen. I’m saying it could happen. It has happened to many others in the past.
Stuart *********
@Marc *******
here’s what the London embassy say.
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