Can I apply for a Non-Immigrant O-A visa and enter Thailand months later?

Feb 29, 2024
9 months ago
Jurgen ********
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Hi,

After a lot of thinking I come to the l that the Non-Immo O-A is possibly the best for the first 12 months but I am still uncertain about the following:

As I understand, the O-A METV, applied through the Thai Consulate, has no „waiting period“ like the Non-Immo O extension of stay (which comes with the 90 day visa).

Instead the O-A becomes valid with the first entry into Thailand if I am not mistaken.

Can I apply for an O-A and the necessary health insurance in a few weeks but only enter Thailand a few months later (obviously health insurance has to match my date of entry) or do I need to enter as soon as I receive the Visa?

I ask this because I have my criminal record paper already but prefer to enter Thailand between August and October

Thanks
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The Non-Immigrant O-A visa has a validity period starting from the date it is issued, but it allows for unlimited entries into Thailand for one year, each time granting a one-year permission to stay. You can apply for the O-A visa and necessary health insurance weeks in advance and enter Thailand several months later, but the health insurance must be valid starting on your date of entry. Delaying your entry could lead to lost time in Thailand, as the visa's benefits are time-sensitive.
Wylie *******
It seems you, as many do, may be confusing two different dates. There is the visa validity date and the permission to stay date (entry stamp). The visa simply allows you to enter Thailand and as long as you enter before the expiration date you will be stamped in for whatever timeframe that visa grants. Or as in the OA visa it will be that or until your insurance expires, whichever is less.
Jurgen ********
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@Wylie ******
clear answer, thank you Wylie
Marty *********
You do not get more than the 2 years on an OA. That 2nd year isn’t your OA visa but a 1 year permission to stay stamp. After the 1st year of your OA you must purchase re-entry permits to keep the permission to stay stamp alive if you choose to travel outside Thailand during that 2nd year. After the 2nd year you can return to your home country to obtain a new OA visa and start the process over again. After the first year you can also just begin applying for 1 year extensions of the OA visa at the Immigration Department inside Thailand. You will have to meet the financial requirements for a 1 year extension and you will continue to need to meet the health insurance requirement.

I had an OA for 6 years. It was a good visa in 2017 but these days I would recommend getting a 90-day non-O visa and just go directly to 1 year extensions. You can still get health insurance but there is no reason to have it connected to your visa.
Jurgen ********
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@Marty ********
thanks a lot. I actually planned as you suggest, have the OA for 1 year and switch to O eventually.

A follow-up question:

the 90-day-non-O visa is a single entry visa, can I buy multiple re-entry at immigration, leave and return a month before expiry in order to apply for the 1 year extension?

I am well aware that most people stay in TH for the 90 days though, just need to know …
Jurgen ********
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Ok, under your LTR there is no requirement for the 90 day reporting, correct?
Jurgen ********
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USD 80.000 net or gross? passive income=pension?
Marty *********
@Jurgen *******
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Jurgen ********
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@Marty ********
It’s an option with several “freebies” but unearned or passive income of USD 80.000 is a number before or after income tax?
Marty *********
@Jurgen *******
At the time I submitted my previous years US income tax form. Now they require 2 years or whatever documents they ask for.
Jurgen ********
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@Marty ********
I sent you a PM re the insurance for LTR if you do not mind😊🙏
Marty *********
@Jurgen *******
I have Pacific Cross that I first purchased in 2018 before there was an OA insurance requirement. It is a 10 million baht policy with a 40,000 baht deductible. It easily qualified for the OA insurance requirement and I then used it for the LTR.
Jurgen ********
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@Marty ********
generally they run for 1 year, you prolong it every year I guess?
Marty *********
@Jurgen *******
You pay for the full year. The rate has gone down a little because I haven’t made a claim. Essentially I’m self insuring for the first 40,000 baht and I’ve never spent that much in any year.
Marty *********
Brandon ************
@Jurgen *******
Pension, dividends, stocks etc.
Marty *********
@Jurgen *******
I had an OA for 6 years. I have a 10 yr pensioner LTR visa now. If you meet the $80,000/yr passive income requirement then you might want to consider an LTR.
Jurgen ********
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I will fund a Thai bank account with the lump sum, that’s why I possibly will go for the OA first
Jurgen ********
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And the 800k for at least 2 months, I know but thanks anyway👍
Jurgen ********
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@Marty ********
bank account and funding, that‘s exactly the reason for the OA.

Or the 90-day-non immi O plus single or multiple entry to allow me travelling before I apply for the 1 year extension stamp
Marty *********
@Jurgen *******
The 1 year extension of either an O or OA visa will require a Thai bank account.
Marty *********
If you are German then you probably need to get an income affidavit from your embassy and I don’t know if that involves a Thai bank account.
Marty *********
@Jurgen *******
You can’t change from an OA to an O inside Thailand. After the first year of your OA you have to leave Thailand and then return as a tourist and then apply for the non-O and 90 days later apply for the one year extension. You can always buy a single or multiple re-entry permit at Immigration. The most important thing these days is to get your Thai bank account set up during that first year.
Stephan ***********
Yes, your Non-OA will be valid for one year after application, so you have enough time to enter the country. The insurance must be for one year, beginning from the day of arrival, otherwise the will give you a shorter "permission of stay".
Jurgen ********
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@Stephan **********
thought so, the stamp matches the expiry date of health insurance, thanks.
Brandon ************
I'm not sure what you mean by "waiting period".

A single entry non-O visa is valid for 90 days that start the day it's issued. That means within those 90 days you must entee Thailand to use the visa. Once you enter Thailand you'll be stamped in for 90 days permission to stay in Thailand. Even if you wait until the last day written on the visa which is day 90, you'll still get 90 days permission to stay in Thailand.

A non-OA is a 1 year multiple entry visa. It starts the day it's issued by the embassy just like every visa. During this 1 year you may enter Thailand an unlimited number of times, and every single time you enter Thailand you will receive a 1 year permission to stay stamp (or until the end of your insurance if that's less than a year).

If you apply for the visa multiple months before you plan on traveling you're wasting a lot of time that the OA visa offers. Most people use the OA to get 2 years in Thailand.

Get visa and go to Thailand and receive 1 year stamp. Just before the end date on the visa you purchase a new year of insurance, leave and return to Thailand, and get stamped in for another year. (remember every time you enter during the validity of the visa you are stamped in for a year).

So if you get the visa and then wait 6 months you're effectively throwing away 6 months you could have been in Thailand.
Jurgen ********
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@Brandon ***********
an add-on question: you write „ Just before the end you purchase a new year of insurance, leave and return to Thailand, and get stamped in for another year“.

No eVisa application needed anymore, just show the new insurance?

Could I be out of Thailand for a month (for example) between the expiration date of the old insurance and the start date of the new one or do I need the expiration date of the old one? Kind of „extension“ of the insurance?
Jurgen ********
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@Brandon ***********
thanks. With „waiting period“ I mean the 90 days.

Regarding the O-A it is as I thought then.

The 1 year starts counting with the issue date and not entry date.

But, as long as I buy health insurance after each expiry date of a current insurance plan, exit Thailand and return I would receive a 1 year Visa again. Can do this for more than 2 years, basically „for ever“ subject to health insurance.
Brandon ************
@Jurgen *******
no you cannot do this forever. Your visa has an end date on it. You can only enter Thailand and get a new year until this date. Then your visa is done and you cannot enter Thailand and get another year.
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