Is a Dutch passport enough for the DTV visa application in Thailand, or do I need to show proof of residency?

@Greg **********

then your problem is solved, no need to get frustrated about the new requirements🤷‍♂️

@Greg **********

Noted

@Elías *******

in Thailand it is extremely rare

@Greg **********

that's insane 😂 Now you know more about me than myself. PR in Korea is not that rare.

@Elías *******

I strongly doubt that you have a "permanent" residency in Korea. You rather have a "temporary" residence in Korea

@Greg **********

I have permanent residence in Korea, which means people like me would apply in the Thai Embassy in Seoul. I just came to Thailand for the first time ever with the DTV, 2 years ago. This is a DTV page 🤭

@Greg **********

you are missing the point. If they hold a German passport and apply inside Germany that is sufficient to fulfill the permanent residence test. They can even get a police clearance certificate without being resident in Germany

@John *********

It is the typical Thai way to keep rules as unclear as possible. Because you can't hold a "Permanent Residency" in any country anywhere so easily.

The DTV was tailored for digital nomads. Many digital nomads leave their home country for good, they give up their resident address. They de-register. For a digital nomad, the World is their home, their residence.

The use of the word "permanent" is confusing, because most countries only allow you to become a "temporary resident". This is too complicated for Thai Ministry logic.

If I leave Germany for good, being a digital nomad, I "de-register" in Germany. This is called "abmelden".

After this I have no more resident address in Germany any more, no more mandatory health insurance and no more tax residency if I don't earn any income in Germany.

I will still have a German passport but I won't be a German resident anymore.

All those German expats living in Thailand with their Thai wives, have a German passport but no more "residency" in Germany.

They don’t hold a residency in Germany and most importantly of all, never would they hold a “permanent residency” because they are not registered in Germany any more.

The real question is: is the passport enough to be the proof of residency?

Actually, no, it is not. I can have a German passport but if I do not live in Germany anymore, if I "de-registered" before migrating to someplace else, I have no more "residency" in Germany.

I would have to RETURN to Germany, rent a flat, and register myself again. Only after that I would be a "resident", again

@John *********

you seemingly do not know the laws of the EU. Many German digital nomads leave Germany for good. They "de-register" (abmelden), which means they have no more living address in germany, they have no more mandatory health insurance and no more tax residency. They still have a German passport, but no more residence in Germany. The DTV demands both, and this is a wrong concept that can't be fulfilled. And many other European countries use the same concept of "de-registering"

WEF-waf-WEF your passport is proof of your right to permanent residence. Don't make this more difficult than it really is

@John *********

nope, unfortunately you're making too much sense for Thailand. they want the passport AND proof of permanent residence

WEF-waf-WEF But if they hold a passport of the country, that proves they are a citizen of that country and therefore have the right to reside there permanently. People are overthinking this. You either apply in a country where you are a citizen OR you apply in a country where you have a permanent right to reside.

@Greg **********

a passport proves your citizenship and being a citizen gives you the right of permanent residence in that country so you wouldn't need further proof of that. Proof of permanent residence is for say someone from the UK, holding a UK passport, but wanting to apply in Germany because they've lived there for years and have a permanent residence permit.

@John *********

correct, but proof of residency = BRP. many nomads (correctly) deregistered as they left years ago. they won't register again

WEF-waf-WEF If I'm not mistaken deregistering applies to tax and/or other government services. It doesn't require you to give up your nationality and thus lose your passport

@Greg **********

Thai logic, no thinking

@John *********

so if I apply "in" my home country, my passport is enough of a proof and I do not need to be a resident ? That's obviously not what the Thai government thinks that is required. Check what Tore Svalberg commented

@Greg **********

yup, goes to show that the logic is too complicated for most people; not just Thai government. it even conflicts with Dutch law that requires most nomads to deregister from the country: "not our problem"

DTV gets more complicated, which aligns with the low IQ policies of an increasingly xenophobic government.

embassies now must accommodate global citizens to meet arbitrary Thai ideas. many countries hate doing that (like with COVID embassy letters). once enough embassadors complain, Thailand flip flops. until then it sucks.

@Greg **********

*in* is important. You have to apply in one country or the other, either *in* the country of your nationality or *in* a country you have a permanent right to reside in.