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How can one obtain a TIN and declare income while on a DTV in Thailand?

Dec 31, 2025
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Koin ******
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With a DTV, opening an account is impossible. How can one obtain a TIN and declare income if staying more than 180 days per year?
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Individuals on a Thailand DTV (Digital Nomad Visa) can obtain a Tax Identification Number (TIN) without having a bank account. To do so, they should visit their local revenue office with necessary documentation such as a passport and proof of address. Despite living in Thailand for more than 180 days, tax residency status is typically separate from visa type; it is crucial to declare any foreign income if applicable, but if there is no Thai-sourced income or funds brought into Thailand, they may not have a tax obligation.
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Tore *********
Getting tin is easy and doesn’t require bank account.

Ignore the idiots telling you not to get one. Stay legal! Besides, having Thailand as main tax residence is very beneficial if you have meaningful money.
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@Tore ********
even if you spend 365 days a year in Thailand it doesn't make it your main tax residence.
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ehmmm, yes it actually does. Especially if you set it up that way, unless maybe US citizen.

Your a full tax resident automatically in Thailand if you spend 181+ days.

You may have tax obligations else where on pensions etc. But main tax residence is where you live, not where you’re from. Again US citizens might be the exception to this.
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@Tore ********
my main tax residential country is the UK and always will be however long i spend in Thailand. So much crap talked about taxation for ex pats.
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Mick *****
This is 100% Correct.
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Dava ***********
Get an agent…
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Tim ********
DTV holders cannot get bank account, exception is owning a condo in your own name. DTV is classed as short term visa so no account available
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@Tim *******
i own a condo but bank dont want to open account
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Tim ********
@Koin *****
look on their website, it will tell you their own rules. Every bank does
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Mark ******
Change bank
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Patrycja ********
If you have no Thai income and no zthai account no need. If an individual lives in Thailand but:

earns no income from Thailand,

has no Thai bank account,

receives all income abroad,

works for or has clients entirely outside Thailand,

is taxable in another country (e.g. Europe or the U.S.),

and covers expenses in Thailand only via foreign credit cards (European or American),

then:

the income is foreign-sourced,

no income is remitted into Thailand,

and there is no Thai-taxable income.

Under these conditions:

No Thai personal income tax is payable

No Thai Tax Identification Number (TIN) is required

No Thai tax filing obligation arises in practice

In short, physical presence in Thailand alone does not create a tax obligation.

Thai tax liability arises only when there is Thai-source income or foreign income brought into Thailand.
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Alex **********
Hi, you may have answered this elsewhere, but is money taken through atm considered taxable income into Thailand under the new system?
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Alex **********
…if you are in Thailand over 180 days, of course.
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Patrycja ********
Yes — it doesn’t matter that the card is European.

If you withdraw cash in Thailand using a European bank card, it is still considered bringing (remitting) money into Thailand.

So:

Thai tax resident (180+ days) → potentially taxable if the money is foreign-sourced income

Non-resident → not taxable

Not income (old savings, capital, already-taxed funds) → not taxable

The key point is what the money is, not which card or country it comes from.
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Koin ******
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@Patrycja *******
thank you for your exhaustive answer but just one point : Since the 2024 Revenue Department reform: 👉 Any foreign money "brought into Thailand" can be considered repatriated income, even without a traditional bank transfer. However: Paying in Thailand with a foreign credit card = the bank paying a Thai merchant = the tax authorities may consider this as making funds available in Thailand ⚠️ This isn't yet explicitly defined in law, but it's the emerging administrative doctrine.
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Pete *******
@Koin *****
using a credit card is going into debt. Debt is not income. Thailand taxes income not debt.
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Koin ******
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Sorry for mis understanding. In french we say "crédit card " but it s not. I pay everything immediately
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Patrycja ********
A credit card is a payment tool, not debt by default.

Debt only happens if you don’t pay back what you spend.

Think of it like this:

Credit card = short-term payment buffer (usually 30–55 days)

Debt = money you don’t repay when it’s due and that starts accruing interest

If you pay the full balance on time, you are not in debt at all.

How you’re using it correctly

You’re doing what financially responsible people do:

You use the card for rent and basic expenses

You reimburse it immediately or within the billing period

You never carry a balance

You never pay interest

In that situation:

The card is acting like a temporary wallet

Not a loan

Not long-term borrowing

So saying “I’m in debt” would be incorrect.

Why it can be more worth it than other payment methods

1. Better exchange rates

Many banks offer:

Near-interbank exchange rates

Lower FX margins than cash exchanges or local transfers

If paying in Thailand:

High taxes or conversion losses via other methods

Worse rates than your bank’s credit card

So even after fees, you lose less money overall.

That’s not debt — that’s cost optimization.

2. Built-in protections and benefits

Your credit card gives you:

Health coverage / insurance

Fraud protection

Dispute rights

Purchase protection

If you paid cash or debit:

No insurance

No buffer if something goes wrong

Harder to recover money

You’re not borrowing — you’re leveraging benefits.

3. Cash flow flexibility (without interest)

Because you pay it back right away:

No interest

No penalties

No long-term obligation

You’re simply:

Spending money you already have, just not at the exact same second

That’s smart cash flow management.

The key rule: how to use a credit card without debt

To never be in debt, you must follow three rules:

Only spend money you already have

Pay the full balance every month

Never let interest start

If all three are true:

You are not borrowing

You are not accumulating debt

You are using the card as a financial tool

Why people confuse credit cards with debt

Because many people:

Spend money they don’t have

Pay only the minimum

Let interest accumulate

That’s not a credit card problem — that’s misuse.

A credit card is like fire:

Controlled → useful

Uncontrolled → destructive

But yes it's you're ass broke ... then yes you're in dept...
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@Patrycja *******
nope, using credit is creating debt. Whether you pay that debt off before creating additional costs is irrelevant. Spending a third parties funds is creating debt. Definition of debt “the state of owning money” regardless of whether you pay it back or not.
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Patrycja ********
That definition is doing a lot of heavy lifting—and it’s wrong. Debt isn’t “using a third party’s funds,” it’s an outstanding obligation. If no balance is carried, no debt exists.

By your logic, every invoice, tab, or post-paid service is debt the moment it’s used—even if paid in full before it’s due. That’s not how accounting, law, or finance defines debt.

Credit is a payment mechanism. Debt only occurs when repayment is deferred past the grace period and interest or liability accrues. No balance, no interest, no liability → no debt.

Also, “the state of owning money” isn’t the definition of debt—owing money is. That distinction matters.

Using credit responsibly doesn’t create debt; failing to settle the obligation does.
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Koin ******
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@Pete ******
ok thank u
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Will *********
sounds like you need a B visa and work permit.
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Will *********
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if you exceed your DTV limit and pay taxes, you'll need a B visa.
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Koin ******
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Which limit ? I dont exceed nothing. I did 4months in Thaïland, 4 months in Europe , 4 months in Thaïland . So more than 180 days. Dtv limit is just 180 days each entrance.
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@Will ********
i dont work in Thaïland 😊 and no income from thailand
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Toon *********
A lot of people seem to think they're outside the law here. Your tax residency status and visa are two unrelated things (unless you have some special visa like LTR which gives you tax advantages). You become a tax resident by spending 180 days or more in the country in a calendar year. Whether you're on a DTV or considered a tourist has nothing to do with this.
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@Toon ********
it s not my question. Revenue département told me NO TIN if i dont have thai account. And i cant have thai account with DTV. But i m spending more than 180 days un Thaïlande
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Tore *********
@Koin *****
desk employees at revenue dep often have no clue, but if you come prepared and point the law and show how much time you spent you will get tin. You can also ask to speak to a manager.
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Toon *********
@Koin *****
in that case i would double check with a different revenue department office and get something in writing so you can at least prove you couldn't get a TIN
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Andy **********
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Yes, sound logic.

However, I have for decades known that the Thai tax system classified income earned more than 12 months ago as capital and that it did not tax inward capital movements, hence allowing anyone to be able to use money earned 13 months ago as tax free "income" and be within the law.

This "potentially" changed a couple of years ago but it meant that you could happily be a long term resident past 180 days, submit a tax declaration and still have zero to pay.

However, as usual, the internet folks knew better and stared a mountain of 1000s of posts and videos claiming the end of the world once this little known genie was out of the bag.

However, if you went back technically even decades into the past and still good today, the ATM network cannot (easily) track where your money came from so anyone simply using the ATMs (which historically never charged a fee) to provide money to live on could never be taxed as having income. They would however, still technically have to provide a tax declaration if in country over 180 days, which is he point.
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Andrew ********
You cant get a TIN on a DTV or a bank account you have to have a Non-o Visa
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Tore *********
@Andrew *******
absolutely 100% verifiably wrong. Again you come spreading misinformation. Better stop talk about stuff you don’t understand…..
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Andy **********
@Andrew *******
That would seem logical but seemingly not because others have posted that they obtained a bank account o a DTV after getting a TIN as some means of "convincing" the bank that they were legitimised, by the issuing of the TIN.

All very "This is Thailand" of course and not fully substantiated but a potential data point nevertheless.
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@Andy *********
yeah no one has got a bank account in the last 8 months on a tourist visa - and getting a TIN is visa specific- not getting it on a tourist visa
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Tore *********
@Andrew *******
Also 100% wrong on both counts
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Pete *******
@Andrew *******
incorrect, getting a TIN has nothing to do with visa status. Two completely separate concepts.
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Nick ************
Dont bother.
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Sue **********
Who told that you have to get a TIN as a tourist? The DTV is classified as tourist visa.
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@Sue *********
spend more than 180 days here and you may need a tin
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Toon *********
@Sue *********
Your tax residency has nothing to do with the type of visa you are on.
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Elías ********
You don't
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J **************
You don’t want a TIN
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J **************
@Andy *********
it means you will pay taxes ! You are a tourist for gods sake
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Mick *****
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Not always true - I am on DTV and working for an Australian company as digital nomad, and paying Australian Tax. As I am out of Australia for more than 180 days per year I can claim what we call foreign tax residency, it does not mean I pay tax in a foreign country, it just means I pay Australian Tax differently. One of the big advantages is it reduces the tax rate dramatically on the interest of approximately 1.5 million of bank savings. To do this I must give the bank my Thai TIN and they deduct tax and pay to the Australian Tax office. I also avoid the medicare levy and MLS which are the taxes we pay for universal health care (about another 3.5% of earnings). I declare all my income in Thailand and pay no additional tax as the tax I pay in Australia is still already way more than the liability in Thailand. My TIN saves me thousands it does not mean I pay additional tax in Thailand.
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Jordan *****
How exactly can they check if you declared your foreign income correctly? In many European countries the revenue department has real time access to all transactions and they can assess your tax even if you declare the wrong ammount, but Thailand has no access to such systems.

Has anyone received a new assessment of what tax they have to pay in Thailand after declaring their income from abroad?
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Tore *********
@Jordan ****
Thailand definitely has CRS access. Can even track your credit card usage if they feel the need. But they don’t fill automatically your tax form for you like in some European countries.
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John **********
@Jordan ****
your country provides the information via CRS. Thailand doesn't provide tax assessments, it's down to you to file correctly
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Johan **************
Funnily enough, you don't need a bank account to get a TIN number. Just go to the local revenue department and wait.
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Pete *******
Go to your local revenue office with your passport and proof of address. Obtaining a TIN is a free service.
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John **********
Obtaining a TIN and paying tax on remittances is nothing to do with a bank account
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@John *********
no...because no account no tin
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Vincent *****
@John *********
My local tax office wanted my full thai bank statement from the previous year to obtain my TIN the first time
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