What document do I need to prove I've never been married for marriage registration in Thailand, and which agency in Minnesota can help?

Oct 6, 2020
4 years ago
Andy **********
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Does anyone know what agency in the US i contact about getting the document proving ive never been married? Whats the name of the document?. Im in minnesota fyi.
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To prove you have never been married for marriage registration in Thailand, you typically need a self-serving affidavit, which can be obtained at the US Embassy in Bangkok or the Consulate in Chiang Mai. In Minnesota, the Bureau of Vital Statistics can provide guidance on marital status documents, but Thai authorities may not accept documents from the US directly without notarization at an embassy. It's also recommended to have supporting documents, such as divorce papers if previously married.
David ****************
I don't know if such a document exists inside the US. I got the affidavit of being free to marry from the US consulate in Chiang Mai. It is just one of the standard forms you fill out yourself, swear it's true with your hand up, and pay $50 to have it notarized there. I'm not sure if the Thai government would accept any documents not from the embassy or consulate. I was also divorced and had to supply divorce papers as a separate thing, but was told that isn't enough by itself.
Burnard ************
@David ***************
It always helps to have other supporting documents.
Robert ***********
This is what I filled out and had notarized at Bangkok Embassy
Burnard ************
@Robert **********
Cannot read it. Does it ask for anything from the USA to prove you were never married?

How did the Embassy confirm it. Can you post a better resolution picture? I cannot even read the form number.
Kevin ******
@Burnard ***********
you are making this too difficult. The document above is all you need. You pay for it at embassy. You PAY they believe
Burnard ************
@Kevin *****
@David ***************
already addressed this.

I still think supporting documents would help. Immigration screwed me over. Believe me. They can and they will if they are in the mood.
David ****************
@Burnard ***********
They don't confirm it. This is from their website, "An affidavit is a sworn statement of facts, made voluntarily, and confirmed by the oath or affirmation of the person making it. Please note the Embassy and Consulate assume no responsibility for the veracity of the representations that appear in the affidavit. Only the identity of the individual making the statement is validated."

The forms for both Bangkok and CM can be found here:

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Burnard ************
@David ***************
Thank you!

In other words, Immigration could decide to deny it. So I would still recommend that he has supporting documentation.

You know, I am off the subject here, but they say IOs have discretionary authority. But in my experience, pre-Covid, that is not really true. They have the authority to not admit you based on just a hunch, but they no longer have the authority to admit a person just because they have they have an ability to do so.

That is not discretionary.
David ****************
@Burnard ***********
This is only needed for the amphur. In my experience, immigration will only ever care about the papers given to you by the amphur.

I believe the discretion immigration has allows them to ask for new and exciting supporting evidence each year at extention time to keep things interesting. I gave up this past go around and used an agent. In and out with barely a word.
Jeffrey *********
What will you use it for? If you plan to use it to register a marriage in Thailand (not really possible at the moment due to entry restrictions), be aware that the Thai authorities will only accept a self-serving affidavit executed at the US Embassy in Bangkok or the Consulate in Chiang Mai. They won't accept any document from the US, even if it is actually more useful in determining your marital history.
Burnard ************
@Jeffrey ********
Then maybe he can get it in Minnisota and have it notorized at the Embassy.

The U. S. Embassy (Dept. Of State) is not going to have any idea if he was married before and issuing those letters is not something they do.

Clearly, people get married in Thailand. So your logic is amiss somewhere.
David ****************
@Burnard ***********
The Embassy and Consulate do these all the time. It is something the Thai government wants but isn't a standard thing in the US, hence the reason they have the service listed on their US citizen services page for Thailand and have standard forms for it there. For now it is working but could eventually go the way of the income affidavit, which was similarly unverified back when they did those.
Burnard ************
@David ***************
Sorry if I was harsh but you should have phrased it the second way first.

The first read like there is nothing he can do.

The second gives him options.
Burnard ************
I don't know if there is such a document but if you go to the Bureau of Vital Statistics in Minnesota they should be able to help. May need to get it notorized.
Andy **********
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@Burnard ***********
i will start there. Thanks bud
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