What are the requirements for extending a 90-day Non-O Visa in Thailand using the combination method for financial proof?

Dec 18, 2024
4 days ago
Paul *******
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A question - when you're 90 day non o visa that was issued inside your home country ( UK for me ) is near to expire

And you are going to apply for 1 year extension

Do you require -

1 , 800000 baht in a Thai bank or

2 , proof that you have been in receipt of 65000 baht per month for the previous 3 months

Or

3 , or a combination

I have heard talk that a combination of options 1 and 2 are now available

Is this true or false. ??

If true can somebody explain exactly what this combination is

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TLDR : Answer Summary
When applying for a 1-year extension of a 90-day Non-O visa issued in the UK, British citizens must meet specific financial requirements. These include either maintaining 800,000 THB in a Thai bank account for at least 2 months prior to application and keeping it above 400,000 THB for the remainder of the year, or providing proof of monthly income exceeding 65,000 THB for the previous 3 months. However, since UK embassies do not issue income affidavits, new applicants typically need the deposit method. A combination method may be used in the second year but varies by immigration office and requires prior monthly international transfers.
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George *******
This combination has always been an alternative. As long as the combination of monthly transfers into a Thai bank account in your name, plus a sum of money in that bank account accrue to 800,000 a year, then it is acceptable. Example 400,000 in the bank account and monthly transfer that amount to 400,000 baht over twelve months.
Graham ******
@George ******
It is not always an alternative as many Immigration Offices will not accept this method so you'd need to check beforehand to ensure your chosen method will be accepted before it's too late
George *******
@Graham *****
I presume you've tried this method, or do you know which immigration accepts this.? Thanks
Graham ******
@George ******
There are 90+ Offices and all operate under their own requirements hence the need to ask before you commit
George *******
@Graham *****
Bit stupid embassies putting out that you can get the visa extension with the combination, then immigration saying whether they'll accept it or not. Makes you wonder whose in charge of the immigration legislation. 🤔
Graham ******
@George ******
Embassies come under the Misistry of Foreign Affairs and Immigration are under the Ministry of the Interior, have different roles and often comment on each others responsibilities and get it wrong.
Greg ***********
@George ******
your example will not work. You wrote that 400.000 THB deposit and 400.000 THB income will be enough to run the combination method. However, if the exchange rate drops by only 0.05 Baht per US Dollar, you will fall below 800,000 THB. I have explained it further up in the thread, that you need a buffer amount of money. And you should be warned that not every Immigration will accept the combination method, some don't accept it in the first year, others need a minimum of 400.000 THB as the deposit part, and some others don't accept it at all. Legislative or not, this is Thailand for you, an Immigration is free to set their very own rules
George *******
@Greg **********
Also you quote USD., well there's more currencies in the world than USD. Also, I and I presume others know how to do basic currency conversions and as I said 400,000 + 400,000 I only used that as an example. Only fools would tread a fine line on exchange rates. Also, hypothetically if someone did manage to get a visa extension based on them having 400k in their Thai account and proof of 400k per annum income, in their first year extension, depending on their lifestyle, they could build up a buffer to compensate for exchange rate fluctuations.
Greg ***********
@George ******
I was just reminding you to keep a "buffer" in case the exchange rate drops. That goes for ALL currencies. And it is "minimum of 800.000.- THB", or "a minimum of 65.000 THB income" . . . . it never is exactly this figure when you apply for the Extension of Stay on Immigration. . There definitely needs to be a buffer
Andy ************
@George ******
Correct. There are three methods, all of which add up to 800k

(1) 800k lump sum

(2) 400k lump sum + 40K/month

(3) Zero lump sum + 65k/month

Both (2) and (3) don't add up exactly to 800k, but this is one of those nuances of immigration which seems to work
Greg ***********
@Paul ******
Some basic knowledge about the "combination method"

You can provide proof of finances using the income method, the deposit method, and a third method: the combination method

A mixture of income and deposit.

For this, many immigration offices require a minimum deposit of 400,000.- THB.

Added to the proof of a monthly income, the yearly total must be ABOVE the required 800,000.- THB.

You have to be careful using a proof of income, because a change in the exchange rate can ruin the calculation - if you fall below a certain level, you would immediately be in "overstay". So you need a "buffer" in order to survive a drop of the exchange rate

An example:

You got a deposit of 420,000 THB. This would require another 420.000.- THB in yearly income, with the extra 20,000.- THB being the “buffer” in case of an exchange rate drop.

Thus, the monthly income must be at least 35,000.- THB

The combination method isn’t accepted by some Immigration offices since the rules for maintaining the deposit changed in 2018.

For the deposit method the change meant, on the date of application, the 800,000.- THB must have seasoned in the account for 2 months, then after the “1-year extension” has been issued, remain in the account for a further 3 months, and must never fall below 400,000 THB during the rest of the year.

Some Immigrations just haven’t made up their mind on how to calculate this in case of a combination method.

By the way: The combination method is not accepted for the application to the "1-year extension of stay based on marriage with a Thai wife". Here it only is either deposit or income.
Greg ***********
@Paul ******
The U.K. Embassy in Bangkok since many years, does not issue an income affidavit any more.

Since you are a British citizen, your only option for the first year of an “1-year Extension of Stay Permit based on being over 50/retirement”, is the deposit proof of a minimum of 800.000.- THB in a Thai bank account in your sole name. On the date of your application to the "extension", the money needs to have seasoned for 2 months, and you need the bank letter that proves it

If your income is over a monthly 65.000.- THB, you can use the “income method” in the second or in the third year.

You can start to transfer from abroad a minimum of this amount, month for month, into your Thai bank account. The transfer MUST be “FET” coded as having come from abroad, this is a requirement from Immigration.

After you have collected 12 months of transfers, and the bank has issued a 12-months statement of having received the transfers from abroad, you can theoretically use this 12-month statement as the financial proof required for the application to the next “1-year Extension of Stay Permit based on Retirement” and free your 800.000.- THB deposit

*** The Combination Method:

Since you cannot produce an income affidavit from your embassy, the combination method is no option for the first year

It MIGHT become an option in the second year, if you have collected said 12 months of transfers, month for month, and the bank statement.

However, not every Immigration allows the combination method. Some don’t allow it in the first year (which actually is not an option for you)

Some Immigrations might even require the deposit part to be a minimum of 400.000.- THB

You need to visit “your” Immigration and ask them if they allow the combination method, and what the requirements are like
Jim ********
@Greg **********
You can actually use the 65k method from the start provided you already have at least 12 months transfers from overseas.
Ken ***********
Some immigration offices require at least 15 days remaining on your visa to process the one year extensionson
Andy ************
@Ken **********
The 12-month extension you can do on the day the 90-day expires, although I wouldn't advise it in case there's a hiccup
Stuart *********
@Ken **********
No they don’t. They do if you are applying for a in country Non O. 21 days for some offices.
Stuart *********
The UK Embassy doesn’t provide income affidavits so for the first year extension off of a 90 day non O based on being over 50 you cannot use the income method or a combination. It has to be 800k seasoned for two months prior. You need to keep it in the bank for three months after applying and the balance cannot go below 400k for the remainder of the year.

If these conditions are met then the following year you can switch to the income method of having 12x monthly international transfers of over 65k (or if your immigration office allows, a combination).
Stephen ********
@Stuart ********
I get my income statement from DWP every year to give to greek tax office. It's a legal requirement. You just have to ask for it
Frank **********
@Stephen *******
This is Thailand not Greece. Different rules.
Stuart *********
@Stephen *******
Immigration will only accept income affidavits from your embassy and the UK embassy will no longer provide those.
Stephen ********
@Stuart ********
have you tried printing your P60 from government gateway?
Kool *******
@Stephen *******
that is not accepted at all, and never has been. The only thing accepted for the first year for someone with a UK passport is by having bt800,000 in a Thai bank account in your name only. Nothing else is accepted.
Graham ******
@Stephen *******
why can't you accept an answer given to you?
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