What additional costs do you incur when buying a condo in Thailand beyond the purchase price and CAM fees?

Sep 15, 2024
3 months ago
Sharron *******
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Hello, I have a question . When you buy a condo, you have to price of the condo, then the monthly CAM fee , how do you pay for the land lease, since you can own the condo, but not the property? Or are those the only two things you pay except utilities? Thank you.
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When purchasing a condo in Thailand, you generally acquire ownership of the unit itself but not the land—ownership of the land is retained by the building's management or association which shares expenses among unit owners. In addition to the condo's purchase price, you'll typically pay monthly CAM (Common Area Maintenance) fees, and an annual maintenance fee that covers security, maintenance, and other shared services. Important considerations also include the nature of the property (leasehold vs. freehold) and potential land taxes or fees associated with shared repairs. Many expats debate the wisdom of purchasing versus renting, citing varying long-term financial implications.
Sharron *******
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So is it better to buy house??
Michael *********
@Sharron ******
You cannot buy a house unless you are Thai.
Robert *****
@Sharron ******
that’s also difficult because of Thai law.
Neil ******
@Sharron ******
nobody can decide that for you. It's personal preference.
Sharron *******
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As I said before at 77 a condo would better suit me. I probably have 10 maybe 15 years. After I die my kids can decide what to do with the condo. At least while I am alive, I won't have to keep moving around, and my rent will be paid, just CAM to deal with every month. No rent to keep going up. Its peace of mind. And will be easier to budget. I have never rented, so I don't want to start now. Being at the mercy of a landlord isn't comfortable for me. If something needs repair in condo, I get it fixed, instead of fighting with a landlord.
Nongnuch ********
@Sharron ******
well okay. But you need a Thai Last Will if you want your kids inherit the condo. A U.S. Last Will is not valid in Thailand, and the direct heritage is not recognized. You should contact a lawyer for this
Sharron *******
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Thank you, I will be using a lawyer when buying condo. So I will have that done as well.
Kenneth *******
I would never buy a Condominium because you own nothing beyond the paint. Here in Thailand I own the house and have all rights to the land. Yes, my name is on the land deed. Yes, it is legal. I do not own the land and I can sell the land and keep the money.
Kenneth *******
I said I do not own the land and I do not own the house. The owner died in 2018 and willed her assets to me. My name is on both land deeds. I can sell or will the land.
Nongnuch ********
@Kenneth ******
if you inherited it, you will need to sell the land within one year!
Nongnuch ********
correction: your name is on the Chanote as being a lesee, not as being the "owner". You can't own land in Thailand as a Non-Thai, except it was maximum 1 Rai part of a BOI project. If you started a company with the sole purpose to achieve land, this was an illegal move
Ian *********
as the maintenance fee can be as much as renting a small bungalow id have a rethink about buying one .the bottom line is the company owns the land its sits on !!!.i prefer renting.
John *******
@Ian ********
Agree with you, I have been renting a 2 bedroom bungalow for 14 years, 8,500 baht a month in a quiet neighbourhood. The landlady is terrific, no problem getting repairs done.
Nongnuch ********
when you buy a condo, you only buy the SPACE it contains. You don't own the walls and floors and ceilings of your condo. All you buy is the air
Frank ********
@Nongnuch *******
and the liability
Sharron *******
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Thats my thought. Just buy it, and don't have to budget for it every month. Only CAM, which is low.. I am 77. So lets say 10 maybe 15 years, I only pay CAM, and if need be repairs. My children can decide what to do with it after I am gone. At least I won't have to live with them. lol I don't want my children taking care of me. I have watched that to many times with others. If I would have to get in house care, the second bedroom would come in handy for a nurse or care giver. I would have my lawyer check it out before I bought. To make sure there are no back bills from seller. Thank you
Stephen ********
@Nongnuch *******
when you rent, you don't own the walls or the floors either and only rent air. Although you can then do what you like to the walls and floors.

The main difference is when you buy a condo, firstly you can choose whoever stays there and if its yourself you won't get evicted.

But more importantly, think of the purchase as effectively a long term rent forever.

If you rented with that same figure of money you might pay to buy a condo, you would run out after about 8 years.

So it's 8 years ish,,,, up front, to rent forever..
Bob ********
Others have given you advice, so here is one more thing to be aware of. Under some schemes owners cannot be charged for non payment of the annual fees, the body corp has to wait until the unit is sold and outstanding fees are deducted at settlement. If their are a number of non contributing owners in a block, it sometimes means there isnt enough cash in the bank to do essential repairs. Always check the rules of the Block you are buying into
Frank ********
Stephen ********
I would say find a foreign quota freehold. The fees are usually less and it'll generally be a better investment on the basis of,

It's legal.

You'll have the right to that space forever.

You'll have better controlled fees generally.

With a large foreign percentage of ownership the maintenance is far more likely to be paid and carried out.

If you want to sell, it's obviously open to anyone world wide for purchase, a rather larger market.

To those who scream don't buy, why? There will be good and bad investments anywhere and everywhere. I know plenty who have lost badly in my home city of London, which has one of the most popular and buoyant property markets on the globe!

The average rental income off a condo on one of the Thai holiday islands or similar, yields a decent return.

Its also very obvious if someone wants security of owning there own home,, it's better for them to buy.

If im honest, I'd say to most, how long do you think you'll live? Looking at the average rent in say Phuket,,, I would say in 10 years of rental payments, you could buy what you are currently renting for the same money. So if you are in your 70s or 80s, maybe rent? I'm in my 50s, so probably better to buy.

I'm a landlord, for over 30 years. Own property in both countries.

Looking at my records,, for those renting in there 30s, 40s, 50s with general world inflation, your rent is likely to be double the current amount in 10 years time and double that again in
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Matthew ********
@Stephen *******
well said I agree it’s all about individual circumstances and if you spend enough years in Thailand then it pays for it self ..
Kate *******
@Stephen *******
this is my view and I’m looking at older buildings so you can see how well they’re managed, they’re often bigger and better built too. I’m only 40 so financially it makes sense if it’s a base I want to have there long term.
Tim *******
i disagree with people who say dont buy but i would agree , depending on the property, it maybe not easy to resell. and the cost to resell is quit high (fees taxes etc)
Harry *********
@Tim ******
in which case why buy ? Why give yourself these problems ?
Tim *******
as a co owner of a condo you all own the land collectively so no other land lease fees as you mentioned but there is land or property tax its not much lastly if you buy and older comdo they can impose one off fees for major repairs they can also increase the CAM but thats not easy to do
Murray *******
When owning a condo, you pay Juristic fees, annual, for maintenance, security, office, cleaners etc.

Land tax is also payable annualy, to land office, it's only minimal...
Tore *********
Really really bad investment to buy in Thailand…..And very risky. Have a look at some 10 year old condo buildings that looks 30 due to cheap build and low maintenance
Kate *******
@Tore ********
you buy the 10 year old ones that still look lovely and are managed well, not new ones. You don’t buy for investment anyway, you buy for security and because it’s not much money to not have the hasstle of having a landlord.
David ******
If you do purchase a condo, make certain the building is not a lease-hold property but a free hold property. Meaning you own the condo but lease the building usually 30 years and after 30 years, you have to lease it again.
Mark ********
As above. Do not buy.
Jim ********
Don't buy!!!!! Always rent in Thailand - buy elsewhere
Graham *******
@Jim *******
depends on what you buy Basil.
Jim ********
@Graham ******
Correct. There's a huge market for stupid foreigners in Thailand.
Graham *******
@Jim *******
and there is a very special market for those who know what they are looking for.
Jim ********
@Graham ******
Yes, a very special market for very special mugs!
Robert *****
Rent.
Graham *******
@Robert ****
The arrival of the DTV holders may well put upward pressure on rents, we will have to see what happens.
James **********
@Graham ******
massive over supply now i wouldn’t be to concerned 😟
Graham *******
@James *********
BTW, the change to global income tax if they pass the draft proposal will flush out some distressed sellers, so there may be some real bargains next year.
Us *****
@Graham ******
first off the amount of empty apartments in Thailand is crazy. There is anywhere between 10-50% of some buildings that are not occupied. 2nd the DTV people that are coming is already here on student visas. They are just converting to DTV. The DTV are just replacing student visas and Elite visas. The numbers that come and go will be the same. Last that 2025-2026 recession is coming. The prices of rent will drop or it will just be empty.
Graham *******
@Us ****
There are many empty apartments because many Thai bought them to hide their money. Very few DTV visa are conversions join the DTV group and you see they no nothing about thailand.
Brandon ************
@Graham ******
most of the people getting DTV are either switching from doing border bounces, or changing from some other long-term visa. It's not a flood of new people going to Thailand.
Graham *******
@Brandon ***********
over a longer period of time it is.
Bart **************
@Graham ******
they don't come with millions. And many would have come anyway.
Graham *******
@Bart *************
you don't have to come with millions to rent.
Bart **************
@Graham ******
I don't think there will be much of an effect on rental prices if there's only a couple 1000 more expats coming. The number of expats is huge.
Graham *******
@Bart *************
I have heard, not confirmed, that already more than 1000 DTV have been issued. I suspect that landlords will be happy to give 6-month leases for DTV holders remembering that they will keep the deposit.
Bart **************
@Graham ******
the number of expats in Thailand is estimated as 3 to 4 million. With now between 1000 and 2000 DTV holders, many of whom would otherwise still come but on different visas, we are talking about less than 0.05%. It will of course increase because the DTV is still fresh, but eventually it would not surpass even 1%. It surely is a win for the economy and every bit helps, but we should not expect condo prices to move significantly.
Graham *******
@Bart *************
I think you need to look at the break down of nationality of expats and their individual impact on any statistic. 70% of expats are probably domestic workers and are not active in the condo rental market. Your 3-4 million count is misleading for the real-estate sector.
Bart **************
@Graham ******
if we change the assumptions tenfold, it would still not matter significantly.
Tony **********
By definition, when buying a condo, you are buying the interior walls and floorspace. The building and land are owned by the association. There can be other "common" areas that are part of the association too such as a gym, underground parking, etc you never really own anything with a condo. You buy "rights".
Frank ********
@Tony *********
we hat about plumbing and who is responsible for damage from water? Ex. Leaks, tub over flow washing machine etc.
Sharron *******
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@Tony *********
Basically that's the same if you buy a condo in America, you do not own the land. You hmo. or cm, fees are anywhere between $400.00 to over $1000.00 a month.
Tony **********
@Sharron ******
two and you have no control over future fees or give assessments I will never buy a condo
Sharron *******
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From the few people that I have chatted with, that own condos, tell me their fee never goes up that much. And some of them have been in their condo for years.
Graham *******
Yes, correct, you buy the right to live in and sell your condo. There are situations where people are buying condos lease hold and this, I find really scary. What concerns me most here is that the land and the building probably are mortgaged by the Freeholder to the Bank/Mafia. If the Freeholder defaults, then the bank is now the owner, and the rights of unit holders are not fully protected as they may not be fully transferable to the bank/Mafia. There is much dirty money now on Phuket and Samui, Russian and Chinese. Some buildings have been built with fake permits; some already are being demolished because they are built on land not suitable for the use they are being put to. When you say owned by the association this is not strictly true. The building and land are owned by the Condo corporation, each unit holder is a shareholder in the corporation which holds AGM's. The unit holders control the destiny of the condo corporation. Not the association or juristic person.
Graham *******
I have a freehold condo in foreign quota. I do not pay CAM (?) fees' I pay condo dues once a year. Land lease?
Sharron *******
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From what I understand, condo owners pay at least once a year, or for up to three years.
Garrett ***********
@Graham ******
"Common Area Maintenance fees", also know as CAM fees or Common Fees.
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