Can I switch from a Non-Immigrant O-A visa to an O visa in Thailand, especially at my age with health insurance concerns?

Sep 2, 2020
4 years ago
Paul ********
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Hi all, sorry for long post. I am currently 10 mths into a me non imm o-a, expires 28 Oct, 65 years old & married to a Thai, based in Phayao. I recently had a medical for health insurance and they said I have very high cholesterol, the insurance then excluded so many things and increased the price to make it not really viable. I then asked at immigration if I could change to an “o” and they cannot and advised to me wait till 26th and to then go on amnesty, which they are certain will happen but with about a 1% chance of the borders opening! I would prefer something more permanent , any advice would be appreciated once again and thanks in advance.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The user is currently on a Non-Immigrant O-A visa and is facing difficulties with health insurance requirements due to high cholesterol. After consulting immigration, it was suggested to apply for an extension based on marriage instead of changing to an O visa, which is not allowed within Thailand. The user is looking for a more permanent solution as their visa expires soon, and members of the community provided various insights regarding extending the current visa, changing insurance plans, and the regulations surrounding visa types.
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Bell *******
Phetchaburi Imm Office said a few months ago that they would allow my husband's O-A extension based on marriage. This is the first extension as well. The boss there said to me only a week ago that this would be down the Imm HQ in Bkk, something nobody told us before. Such reassurance!
Benjamin ******
Phayao, where the OP is, is not Phetchaburi. If Phetchaburi developed some type of policy to allow an extension of stay based on marriage to be acquired from a valid AO visa, then they have that policy.
Bell *******
@Benjamin *****
Understood.

Phetburi today changed their tone by saying they were unsure if HQ would approve and that my husband would have to leave Thailand in 7 days if rejection was the case, as this was his first extension. Donno if the advice was 100% correct but we are sticking with the existing reason/basis which is retirement, as a result.

BTW THEY were the ppl who kept advising we could switch reason.

Sorry. I thought our experience might be relevant or useful to the OP, I did not mean to cause any upset or confusion.
Benjamin ******
@Bell ******
Wait, I'm thinking about it.Are you already on an extension of stay? I don't think the OP currently is?
Bell *******
@Benjamin *****
No. My husband's first ever extension is due a day after the OP's.
Benjamin ******
@Bell ******
Then it's *VERY* strange. Keep us posted what's going on
Bell *******
@Benjamin *****
Sure. :)
Bobby ********
@Bell ******
. OA visa is not based on marriage, perhaps they are converting it to an O?
Bell *******
@Bobby *******
No same visa just switching the reason. I first thought the same as you do, then I was corrected by the IO. :)
Tod *********
@Paul *******
, come to think of it I DO remember reading a post somewhere that the FIRST time you get an extension from any Non-Imm visa (O, O-A etc) it has to be for the reason you got that visa. (which in your case was because you're over 50-retirement)

A guy had a 90 day single entry Non-O visa based on being over 50 (which he got from a thai consulate that still sold them), He got stamped in for 90 days and then during that time he got married and when that 90 days was up he tried to go get the year extension based on marriage,

BUT

he was denied because they said he had to get at least the first extension for the reason the visa was issued (in his case retirement) and then after that he could change the reason for the extension to something else.

That could be the reasoning up at your immigration office..
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tod ********
yep, I reckon, a small comfort for me! Thanks again
Greg ********
An immigration lady last week suggested to my girlfriend & I that marriage would be a great way to avoid OA insurance. I smiled and politely said isn't that something crazy people do?, followed with have a nice day😆
Alex ******
It's actually a more stable way to stay here in Thailand but to each his own 😁
Bobby ********
@Greg *******
. Get married to save 150 baht a week? Right on!
Tod *********
Strange, because the requirement to get an extension based on marriage is only that you previously held a Non-Immigrant TYPE visa (yours just happened to be a type O-A)

I have not heard of people being told that the first extension from a year long O-A stamp has to be based on retirement BUT if that's the line they're taking you don't have many options. Maybe get the deductible super high on your insurance (200K baht if you can) to get the premium down. Sorry but I have no other suggestions   :(
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tod ********
yes Todd, that’s what I’m thinking, just get the cheapest, so you don’t think wait till 26th, I’m worried that would cut it a bit fine?
Tod *********
How is waiting until the 26th of SEPT, (when this amnesty runs out) "cutting it a bit fine"?
@Pa**
your current stamp runs out Oct 28th and this amnesty runs to Sept 26.

If you wanna wait and see what happens after Sept 26 go ahead, you can apply for your yearly extension when you have 30 days or less left on your stamp and you can do it right down until the last day your stamp is good for.
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tod ********
thanks again for your help
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tod ********
yes, I’m just thinking it wouldn’t give me much time to sort insurance and other documents
Tod *********
Ahh, okay.. :)
Bobby ********
Take an insurance with the highest deductible amount. At your age you can get one with 200,000 deduction for 7700 baht a year (about 150 baht a week). Do not even worry about it not covering you for virtually anything, just adopt the mindset that it's a "visa extension fee". Cholesterol is not such a serious problem.
Saffy *************
@Bobby *******
Please advise which Thai insurance co that is? All the long stay insurance cos I've checked are 30k+ per year!!
Bobby ********
Bobby ********
@Laura *************
. Did you try scrolling down? 🤣🤣 It's the 12th one in the list. Under LMG Insurance.
Saffy *************
@Bobby *******
OMG sorry 555 😉
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Bobby *******
yes , that’s what I’ve been thinking as well, thanks for advise. The things they are excluding are the main things that you want covered, at my age!
Bobby ********
@Paul *******
. I have an insurance policy from Australia which covers most things with a $100 deductible. But it's not accepted for the OA. I've seen since covid how valuable the OA visa is (compare it to Thai Elite), so if I have to pay 150 baht a week to keep it going it's worth it. Keep in mind some jokers are paying 60,000 baht for a "Volunteer Visa".
Saffy *************
@Bobby *******
I have a UK insurance but the OA is only accepting approved Thai insurance co.....
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Bobby *******
cholesterol wasn’t even talked about 25 years ago, but the insurer wants to exclude heart related, back related, high blood pressure related, brittle bone related etc etc, doesn’t leave much else really does it!, i will go with the high deductibles policies, just got to search again and hope they don’t require another medical, thanks for your help
Sid *******
My plan was to switch from from an O-A to an O Visa this year. An agent told me this year just do what you have to do to comply with the O-A requirements and hopefully next year everything is back to normal and make the switch then.
Tod *********
Easy with the "an agent told me" stuff on the group Sid, we have a zero tolerance for mentioning them..
Tod *********
You COULD apply for a yearly extension based on marriage from the O-A visa entry you have now and that would mean you don't need to hold health insurance and that's the only way you could do anything without leaving and without having the required insurance you need on the O-A when you apply for an extension

Sadly there is NO way to go from an O-A visa to an O visa inside the country, BUT the good news is you don't need to change to an O visa, you just need to apply for your next extension based in being married to a thai not based on being retired.
Evan ********
@Tod ********
after you’ve gone through the hoops of getting an extension based on marriage, is the following year a lot easier? I’ve looked into it and the “proving I was single” stuff from the Oz embassy is a bit of a pain. Wouldn’t like to have to do that twice. I assume once done, it wouldn’t be required the next time. I’m on a A-O and seems the only way to do it without leaving is via the marriaage extension way apart from A-O again 800k etc
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tod ********
but Phayao imm told me I couldn’t do that, I specifically asked that question from reading your previous posts, and they told me that I have to already be on an extension!
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