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Can I Change My Retirement Visa to a Marriage Visa in Phuket with My Translated Marriage Certificate?

Tod *********
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@[Bo Sondergaard]([members only]) posted in another some what related thread

I am also going to change from retirement visa to marriage visa.

We was married I Europe 19 years ago and have a valid marriage certificate which 19 years ago was translated to English and to Thai by the university in my home town.

Will these translations be enough to prove our marriage and change the visa ? Can the change be done here locally with out flying to Bangkok.

We live in Phuket
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A user inquired about changing their retirement visa to a marriage visa in Thailand, specifically in Phuket. They have a marriage certificate from Europe that was translated into English and Thai 19 years ago. Answers provided suggest that translations typically need certification from the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and it may be necessary to register the marriage at a local amphur. It's advised to consult the local immigration office before proceeding with the application to clarify specific document requirements.
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Wayne **********
Wayne **********
My translation was done by a company in BKK which then sent it to MFA for their stamp of approval... It's the MFA stamp I think the Amphur will be looking for...not the actual translation....
Reiner *********
Reiner *********
Well very easy..take ist to the Bangkok Translation For example to make their "Stamp " it a certificated translation office very close to the intersection up to the rang hill....it's not enough by a foreign office ...but they are easy and you get it
Reiner *********
Reiner *********
Or Go to your consulate to stamp this as well...
Wayne **********
Wayne **********
I did a similar thing in Phayao Amphur Oct 2017 for my Thai wife since our NZ wedding 1972.. They wanted a certified transcription which we had to go to BKK for. No problem - though once we had that they changed her legal surname to the same as mine, gave a flowery certificate of the name change which she used for her Thai ID and then a fresh new Thai passport in the new 5 year old surname.
Tom *********
Tom *********
Yes exactly and also the one with the flowers around the borders
Bell *******
Bell *******
tom elliots
@Tod ********
I doubt that you will get the rose-border cert following a marriage outside Thailand. It is the update of the Thai spouse's marital status that is the important bit.
Tom *********
Tom *********
I am probably mistaken then I definitely have the one with the flowers and another one that we update every year before we apply for the extension

I was told by my wife that when we registered our marriage here we got married in Thailand too
Tod *********
Tod *********
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wonder why they'd give you the Kor Ror 3 (that's the rose bordered one) that is for people who get married INSIDE the country. AFAIK if you're already married to a thai in a differrent country you only get the Kor Ror 22, not a rose bordered "suitable for framing" one too.
Tom *********
Tom *********
I got that green and red round stamp at the Thai Consulate in Los Angeles after I had the marriage license first authenticated from the US state department and then translated into Thai

Took all of that to the local amphur in Prachinburi and registered our marriage in Thailand

Immigration then wanted all of that including our US marriage certificate when we applied for my one year extension based on marriage
Tod *********
Tod *********
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thanx for that.. (y) So you ended up getting a Kor Ror 22 (คร.๒๒) which is the registration of a thai who was married abroad document from the Amphur..

Which looks like this ;)
Bell *******
Bell *******
IF you need to officially register your marriage in Thailand, this is definitely the correct steps based on my experience and advice saught from the national hotline:

I also assume you are Thai or are married to a Thai.

You need to seek advice from the Thai embassy in your other country (you only said somewhere in the EU or Europe). This is because your marriage cert from that country MAY need to be certified by the govt of that country first. Additionally, the same Thai embassy MAY also need to certify that very same document. Once your paperwork is in Thailand, calling your local registrar office for advice is very important as you will likely need to have it translated into Thai. The Thai translation and the Embassy's certification then need to be legalised by the Dept of Consular Affairs at Chaengwattana.

For example, in the UK:-

You need to get your UK certified by FCO (Foreign & Commonwealth Office). Then send everything you rec back from FCO to the Thai Embassy in London so they certify it. Once in Thailand you then have the document rec'd from the Thai Embassy translated and legalised by the Dept. of Consular Affairs.

Note: Very few registrar offices might not require the Dept of Consular Affairs' legalisation hence contacting them is important but you still need to take the previous steps.

Last but not least, it MIGHT be cheaper/less time-consuming to get a Thai marriage cert done instead. Again check with your local Amphor as to what documents are needed such as certification of your foreign spouses's passport, two witnesses etc.

Best of luck.
Tod *********
Tod *********
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you are correct depending on where they were married they might NOT be able to get the marriage certificate certified here and have to instead send it back to the thai consulate in their country.

BUT that is something they need to check with the immigration office on. I've seen some offices take foreign marriage certificates and some won't without the certification stamp from either the MFA or the thai consulate in their country.
Tod *********
Tod *********
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IF they were married in another country they CANNOT get married again inside thailand :/

They would get a Kor Ror 22 which comes from the local Amphur and is the registration of a thai married abroad
Tod *********
Tod *********
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@B*
I see a trip to the Phuket Immigration office well before you need to switch the reason for your yearly extension from retirement to marriage to make sure of what that office really wants.

Some offices require you register the marriage of a thai married abroad at the local amphur to get the Kor Ror 22 form, but some don't.

You're not gonna really know IF your translations will or won't work until you go ask the office you're gonna get the extension from..
Tod *********
Tod *********
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@Robert ******
posted this answer normally the translations has to be certified by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs and when done you get this nice stamp. But it saves times and travel to ask first at your local immigration office.

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