Why are visa application requirements inconsistent for freelancers and those using the soft power option in Thailand?

Dec 25, 2024
3 days ago
I'm really confused about how the consulates are processing these visas. I understand the Bank 500,000 Baht requirement. What I don't get is the mixed standards. Someone can apply with a 4 week cooking class letter, money in the bank and they are approved. On the other hand if someone applies as a freelancer with the proper money in the bank, they have to have a profolio, contracts, bank statements, proof of payments and etc. I've read on here that some have been rejected or asked for even more than that. If they have the money in the bank and theres no income requirement, why do they have to provide all of this extra proof of work and income. It's seem so drastic and out of proportion when compared to the ease of the softpower option. It all seems pretty wacky to me.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The discussion highlights confusion around inconsistent visa processing standards at Thai consulates, particularly for freelancers versus individuals applying under the soft power option, which often appears less stringent. Users express frustration over additional documentation required for freelance applications (e.g., portfolios, contracts) despite meeting financial requirements, while others using soft power options face fewer hurdles. Various reasons for this discrepancy are suggested, including potential ties between embassies and agencies, as well as evolving regulations in response to exploitative practices. The conversation emphasizes the importance of submitting the necessary paperwork and adapting to the unpredictability of Thai immigration practices.
Christopher *************
That's because Thai bureaucracy is whacky šŸ¤£
J.P. *********
This is all about boosting the Thai economy not about making sense. Soft power means legit schools get money. The extra time in Thailand got so many people to sign up for these. The business being legit has a lot to do with not getting any income from Thai sources and not looking like you just borrowed money to show a balance.
Luit *****************
@J.P. ********
exactly, they try to make the criteria in a way that applicants have to bring in as much money from outside as possible.

Therefore applicants should have long lasting training schedules or medical treatment plans.

People that borrow the 500K and only have one medical appointment do not belong to the category they want to attract.

But it is difficult to set up criteria in a way that people who you want to attract still comply without too much difficulties and people that you don't want to attract cannot comply to.
Wannikea *********
My take is they want genuine freelancers etc, with a track record portfolio and a client history. They need the income statement to satisfy it's a legit credible application, they aren't looking at the income per say, just a customer client relationship.
Andi ***********
@Wannikea ********
Yes, staff at Taipei office said same thing about confirming the legitimacy of applications hence proof of company registration etc
Keith ************
If you're coming to Thailand, get used to things not making sense. And get used to different offices of the same branch of government 'interpreting' laws and regulations differently.
John *******
You need to fulfill legitimately each category

It stands to Reason if you're portraying yourself as self employed or working remotely for an overseas company

Over The years there have been many scam companies and individuals operating
Kool *******
What lots of people have a confusion about, and speculate on, is not what is going on with this new DTV. Anything new Thailand does, like this visa, and other's, they do not initially make detailed rules. They make it simple, trusting people, then make increases in regulations as they see the exploits being abused, and the perceived loopholes that exist. The one thing they do is grandfather in everyone already on the visa, with the rules that were in place then, or lack of rules then. Anyone on the visa now is grandfathered in to any changes imposed for the next five years. If you don't wait to get it as locations in some parts of the world are tightening up on documentation already, and the length of paid for soft power options. Right now there are no requirements for lots of different details, like no rules you must go to classes, or make doctor appointments, etc, which rules will be made to address that in the future, but won't affect those that have the visa now for the next five years. After that it is different. Don't wait to get this visa, as rules will tighten. As far as tax liability goes, it is no different than being on any short term tourist visa, under 180 days, and they don't care, so for the next five years try not to make them care.
Mac *******
Welcome to Thailand šŸ‡¹šŸ‡­
Greg ********
Same with all visa applications to all countries. The Immigration Officer making the decision has discretion in deciding.
Anonymous ******************
In my opinion, the option involving soft power is the most vulnerable. It will be like a second student visa. Each time you enter Thailand, they will bother you with questionsā€”such as which gym you attend, calling them for verification, proof that youā€™re still there, and other inquiries. The workation option is more reliable since the company is based outside of Thailand, resulting in fewer questions. That's why they issue soft power DTVs so easilyšŸ˜
J.P. *********
Anonymous participant 385 I understand that concern, but as long as you enter the country each time by plane, the Suvarnabhumi immigtation just sees your visa and stamps. I can't imagine a host of questions and surely not asking for proof of your business or courses when you arrive and then denying the 6 months if you didn't bring papers with you.
Sean *******
@J.P. ********
Exactly, some people who applied as a remote worker assume they're superior to others. When there is no difference unless it's stated in the remarks.
Sean *******
What about people who got it from their spouses DTV and enter separately? How will they check on them?
Anonymous ******************
@Sean ******
I think a dependent visa might involve fewer questions. But thatā€™s just my guess! šŸ˜ I believe they have information on which category your visa falls under. Even though many agents say itā€™s not possible to check and they still promote those soft power options. Weā€™ll see how it goes in the future! :)
Sean *******
They don't know unless it's stated in the remarks. I've only seen one with "Workation".
John *******
I was approved: Submitted letter from HR, original job offer, bank statements for six months and easily approved
Anonymous ******************
@John ******
it just depends which embassy
Andi ***********
Anonymous participant 645 And also depends on the embassy staff's mood when you submit.
Ronnie ***************
That's why I didn't do the freelancer even though I own my own business. I just got a letter from my doctor I've been seeing in Bangkok and she wrote me a letter stating I'm a patient of hers and the hospital on official hospital letterhead. Was approved with no questions aaked.
Andrew ******
@Ronnie **************
do you mind if I do you?
Ronnie ***************
@Christopher *******
you legally can't work in Thailand on any DTV visa, can only work remotely for a non Thai company.
Luit *****************
@Christopher *******
Personally I think everybody, with or without a visa can work remote, because now Thai government shows with DTV that they do not see remote working as working, the remark "working prohibited" is still on DTV.
Andrew *******
@Christopher *******
lol what? Ofcourse you can
Luit *****************
@Christopher *******
When you compy with requirement for soft power and digital nomad you can choose which one you think us easiest. Choosing one does not mean the other activity is not allowed. If you choose workcation, you are still allowed to do Muay Thai training, and when you let a dentist repair your teeth, you still can work remotely, both activiteit can also be done at visa exempt.
Gerald *********
@Christopher *******
Have you spoken to a lawyer about that?
Christopher ********
@Andrew ******
no you canā€™t. Thatā€™s the whole point in having soft power vs hard power visa.
Christopher ********
@Ronnie **************
Soft power canā€™t remote
Christopher ********
@Ronnie **************
But you arenā€™t legally allowed to work on that.
Kirilly **********
@Ronnie **************
I'm thinking of doing the same, as a freelancer that also has a med cert option.
Mc ******
What people mean with soft power? Sorry but im new here šŸ™šŸ»
Andi ***********
@Mc *****
It means a cultural activity such as Muay Thai, cooking class or medical treatment
Charles **********
Some embassies are tied with agents to get in that $$$....so they make it as hard as possible for 'normal applications' to apply at their embassies. Also applying workcation catergory seems pointless imo, not only does it potentially put you at higher risk of being potentially fined/caught out if you 'forget' to pay your tax...........but its much more likely to be rejected by embassies. Just go for soft power and accept you will have to take a short trip out of thailand every six months ( about 5k baht but nice to have a break anyway)
Incognia **********
@Charles *********
i think if have 500K pay muay thai little bit and get visa better than all.Very easy convenient No need to think to much for this visa.Because quite cheap
Dave ****
@Charles *********
What do you mean by "just go with soft power and accept that you will have to take a short trip outside Thailand every 6 months" You will still have to do this whether you choose soft power or workcation. The visa conditions are the same, stamped in for 180 day's.
Charles **********
@Dave ***
you can extend at immigration for another 180 days but with Muay Thai - likely have to buy a new course
Dave ****
@Charles *********
"Likely"so you're not taking about fact's, you're just speculating. You're spreading unsubstantiated and confusing information šŸ¤¦šŸ½šŸ¤¦šŸ½šŸ¤¦šŸ½
David ********
@Dave ***
my point exactly with people here just posting what they think it is not fact or what actually happened
Dave ****
@David *******
I got confused because he wrote it in way that seemed like there was a distinction between a soft power activity and remote work when it comes to the 180 days and when I asked for clarification he say's "likely" after the fact šŸ¤¦šŸ½šŸ¤¦šŸ½šŸ¤¦šŸ½. I'm keeping an eye on these discussions to see what develops but spreading unsubstantiated information based on fantasy benefits nobody.
Andrew *******
@Dave ***
heā€™s not speculating he is literally making it, same as the clown who said you canā€™t work on soft power šŸ˜‚
Luit *****************
@Charles *********
Why should workcation categorie put you at a higher risk for tax paying? I do not see any relation there.
Charles **********
@Luit ****************
embassies and immigration can ask to can see earnings of your company month by month? didnā€™t the new tax law come out since January last year I thought? When you go to extend you will have to prove earnings month by month againā€¦.immigration can directly calculate how much tax you owe etcā€¦ā€¦with soft power it would be more complicated for immigration to make such calculation and there would be more loopholes available for you imo. Wellā€¦ā€¦. itā€™s It may or may not have any effect on tax liability but it definitely dosent ā€˜helpā€™ if you are someone who wants to try avoid paying tax
Luit *****************
@Charles *********
I am sorry, but what you're telling now is BS.

Earnings of the company I work for are not visible to Thai immigration and have nothing to do with my salary anyway.

Nobody knows what proof is necessary by extending, but month by month income is very unlikely.

Apart from that, why should I extend?

I don't want to be Thai tax resident.

And the money I receive in my country is not taxable in Thailand as long as I not bring it in to Thailand.

With soft power same taxe rules apply, and it also is about money you bring in.
Will ************
Each application is different.
Bernardo *************
It is Thailand.
David ********
Just give them the paperwork that is required that's the main point. Some go over the top or supply different to what is requested so red flags the checking officer. I gave only what they asked for no issue.
Luit *****************
@David *******
I think there you have a good point. Just provide what they ask, not more.

When they need more, they will ask for it.

I myself only sent bank statement just from the date I applied and employment contract.

Then they asked for a letter of my employer stating I could work remotely.

After that it was approved within a day.

People here read what was asked and start to provide more and more at initial application, and hope they get no additional questions, but that indeed might be a red flag to the officer, because it does show you are not confident you comply with requirements.
Stathis ***********
It is what it is and it is great.

Do your homework and you will not be confused.
Adam *********
Yeah I applied for workcatiln they asked for a ton of additional paperwork company registration and pay slips etc
Dennis ************
@Adam ********
seems pretty basic stuff
Luit *****************
@Dennis ***********
They did not ask me for this additional items, and I also don't see why they should ask for it, but it might be dependant on where you apply and where the company is.

When you apply in your home country and the company is also in the home country, maybe there is less need for additional info.
Christopher ********
@Luit ****************
to make sure itā€™s valid
Luit *****************
@Christopher *******
When you make unreal employment letter, why should you do this with non existing company.

Apart from that when you start making documents yourself, then it should not be a real problem to make payslips and bussiness registration documents yourself.

So I do not see the added value, apart from that payslips wjen they are recent, also prove you still have the job
Adam *********
@Den***
I am an employee not sure why they need the companies registration.
Steve ********
Just go for the soft power option. I think most people are doing that now