Answered9 months ago
What should I do if I can't meet the 25,000 USD requirement for my Non-O visa application?
I applied online from the U.S. for a 90 day non O visa, after 12 days received this. I do meet and can show more than the monthly income requirement. Don’t have the $ 25,000. What are my options in this situation. Thanks
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A user applied online for a 90-day Non-O visa from the U.S. but lacks the required 800,000 Baht in their bank account, despite meeting income specifications. The discussion reveals that to qualify for this visa, applicants need to either demonstrate 800,000 Baht in their Thai bank account or show a steady income of at least 65,000 Baht per month over the last three months. A variety of suggestions are offered, including consulting with a visa agent for assistance, considering a different visa type (like the NON-OA), or using alternative methods like showing proof of retirement accounts. Multiple users note the importance of understanding current visa regulations, as requirements have changed over time, and emphasize the significance of financial documentation.
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Karl *********
I can't think of a good reason for a US Citizen needing a non-o visa for a 90-day visit. Come to Thailand without a visa and stay for 60-days. As you get near the end of 60-days apply for a 30-day extension. I have never seen an extension denied. My answer applies if you can't demonstrate the financial resources required.
Brandon ************
Karl Diekman He didn't say a 90-day visit. He said a 90-day visa. The Non-O is a 90-day visa, and then you apply for the 1-year extension to live in Thailand.
Karl *********
Thank you for the feedback, but I am quite clear about what he said. What he didn't say is that he wanted to apply for a i-year extension. I generally don't assume what people have on their mind. My bigger point was if you can't afford the price of admission try another path.
Ny *******
dang how do i make 25,000 a month? 😂
Roger *******
If you have 800 k equivelant and put all 3 statement scanned into 1 pdf that will show the proof
Larry *********
i can show 800k thai baht in a combination of savings and checking accounts. but not $2500 per month income . can i qualify based on the 800k baht in my savings ?
Brandon ************
@Larry ********
You should be able to.
Antonio **********
You're from USA correct you get 60 fays no visa need if you really need 90 before the 60 days are up fly to Vietnam or Singapore or anywhere close for a few days not just a 1 day turn around and when you return you get another 60 days
Brandon ************
Antonio Anzalone And if he is using the non-O to live in Thailand, how does your suggestion help at all?
Qian *******
Does that mean one must have at least $25k ending balance on EACH back statement they upload, instead of only the latest one?
Tim **********
Ridiculous Thailand!
Neil **********
Can you use a 403B retirement account to show the $25K?
Dennis *********
If you don't have the 800k equivalent you'll be denied. You can't do the income method the 1st year, has to be the 800k.
David ********
Which embassy?
Alan ***********
Just come on a tourist visa, and at least 15 days before it ends, go through an agent for visa change, easy
Paul *******
Have you tried earning more money
Ian **********
The UK required me to show 3 months' bank statements, and the income each month must be at least the equivalent of 65,000 baht or in my case, 40,000 baht, as the Non O was based on visiting Thai family (marriage)
Nick *******
Stay in Trumps Criminal US. We got enough living here already. 🤔
Sean ********
OPNick Green Thanks Nick, I suppose you won’t be at the airport to greet me when I arrive? Pity
Alex *********
Tony ********
You got the answar. Call you bank and let them confirm your statement - income and you are one your way
Ajay ******
I understand it is reciprocal. USA also ask for the similar proof of earning when Thais apply for USA visit visa
William ***********
Not all monthly income meets the requirements of that option. Did you show 12 months of qualifying income?
Greg ***********
Sean Bright . . did you check the embassy/consulate website lately? The requirement for the Non-Imm-O Retirement Visa application is either proof of income of a minimum of $2500 USD, or $25,000 USD in your bank account. The income proof used to be $2000 USD before, a couple of months ago all US based Thai consulates and the Washington DC embassy changed it to $2500 USD. Maybe your incme was less, so they now ask you for the deposit proof instead
Steve *******
Go to Cambodia or the Philippines...easy visa
William **********
That's a retirement visa none imigrant o
Malcolm **********
It's been a requirement for a long time. I retired to Thailand on a O-visa 13 years ago and had to prove my income before getting it and then once in Thailand I had to deposit 800,000 Baht in a Thai bank before I could get the retirement visa and now have to keep that in the bank all the time. If you don't meet the requirements then you can't get the visa it's as simple as that.
Malcolm **********
Yes it has changed several time but not for the better, see my recent post.
David ********
Malcolm Whitlock 13 years ago its thailand probley changed 20 times by now
Bill ********
Malcolm Whitlock you dont need to have the 800k in the bank all year, you need to have it in for a full 2 months before your next 12 month visa application or show a bank statement you have 65 thousand Baht coming to you Thai bank account every month for the last 12 months.
John *********
Bill Harden Don’t forget you have to keep the 800,000 in for 3 months after your visa approval as well as the 2 months before you apply. Simply it means you have to keep 800,000 in for 5 months and can then go down to 400,000 for the other 7 months.
Malcolm **********
Bill Harden They changed the rules about 6 or 7 years ago. It used to be you had to have the money in the bank 2 months before your first application and 3 months before a renewal then you could take it all out immediately after. Then it was changed so that you had too keep it in for 3 months after as well but could remove it all after that but the latest is that you have to have 800k in for 3 months before, keep it in for 3 months after (this is why the Bangkok Bank is freezing some accounts used for the visa application for 3 months after issuing the renewal letter) then you have to maintain at least 400k for the rest of the year. I just keep 800k in a separate account permently and think of it as a emergency backup. This is also why they now need a 12 month bank statment as well as the bank book copy, to prove that you have maintained the right amount for the full 12 months. I am just a person living in Thailand on a retirement visa and my comments are just that, comments of what I have been told by the Immigration Office and things I have picked up in the news and on expat forums so don't think I am qualified to give advice, I'm just relaying what I 'know'.
Bill ********
John Belcher never heard of keeping it in for 3 months after. I am on a marriage visa so different rules. My mate is on a retirement visa and has never had to show anything after his 12 month visa has been issued, only the 2 months before.
Lumpoy *********
Been here on non- O ( visa 21 years. Still have the 25K in the Thai bank, just sitting there. The interest rate sucks, and the annual fee eats most of it, but the account serves its purpose for continued annual visa extensions.
Steve ********
Malcolm Whitlock Well I have had a different experience. I moved to Thailand over 14 years ago, on a multiple entry, Non-Immigrant ‘O’ visa. I did show proof of finances, when I applied for the visa, although I can’t remember how much that was. When I extended my visa ‘for the purpose of retirement’, 12 months later, as I have done annually ever since, I did it on grounds of income, NOT 800K in the bank. So that is/was not the only way and this remains the same.
Malcolm **********
Yes, that's another way to do it.
Jay *******
Thats not a new requirement for the non O
Burkhard ********
If you don’t have 800k for in complete 6 month of Application (initial visa, extension stay) it might be better to change to OA, Main difference is : no 800k needed, but a Health insurance valid for one year is required.
Malcolm **********
Burkhard Herwig Be aware that the health insurance requirement will also apply to all renewals and it has to be with a Thai company so can work out to be a bigger problem/cost than keeping the money in a Thai bank.
Marco ****
Burkhard Herwig
800k needs for all type of non immigrant visa
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800k needs for all type of non immigrant visa
Jamie *********
I suggest you contact an agency that resides in the city you plan to move to in Thailand 🇹🇭 😉
Doug *******
I just completed this process via the Chicago consulate. Fortunately my application was approved after I received the exact same document request as you did, and I sent a PDF of only my most recent monthly statement.
Sue **********
Is this new? Only for US citizens? So they deleted the option of showing last 3 months 65k thb income? 😮 Oh boy, that will make it harder to get retirement visa abroad
Karsten **************
Then you have to wai 3 months and and make sure you have 25.000 on the account all the time, nothing else to do.
Paul **********
Same happened to me. I can only download I pdf monthly bank statement at a time. The application only allows I file download. However I learnt you can merge 3 pdf files. If you have the right pdf account you can do it but there are other free apps on line.
So download last 3 monthly bank statements. Insert into the 'merge app'. You have 1 pdf file showing last 3 months statements to insert into your application.
So download last 3 monthly bank statements. Insert into the 'merge app'. You have 1 pdf file showing last 3 months statements to insert into your application.
Matthew *********
In this day and age how do they not have add extra files to send. Most basic computer thing today. Almost every Institute in the world has add additional files upload. This has been a problem for many people over the years complaining and they can't even do the most basic things. But Thailand wants to be seen as an advanced technology country. What a joke. Should hire a form from Singapore to revamp their entire system
Russell ******
Matthew Plymale hi just to put it out there Monzo bank give 3 months statement's and 4.3% interest that is how I did my statement hope it helps someone
Bruno ***********
Matthew Plymale worst case scenario printing all docs and scan them to create one only pdf file should work.
I use websites where you can upload no more than three files for instance. So I print and scan
I use websites where you can upload no more than three files for instance. So I print and scan
Russell ******
Bruno Vaglienti it must be less than 4 mb file
Brandon ************
@Matthew ********
because they don't want to open and comb through 15 files. The onus is on the applicant.
Nigel ********
Matthew Plymale because of your views about Thailand and how it wishes to conduct its business, why are you in any FB group about Thailand?
Jack ********
Matthew Plymale ok so you’re not clever enough to fill out a Web form and merge a few PDF files. Send me a private message you can hire my monkey to help you.
Matthew *********
@Brandon ***********
third world service, simple as that. I just purchases another house in the states for investment thru navy federal, no issue single PDF files. They understand they work for their customer. Difference between first class and no customer service. There is simple software to compress on there end. You can defend all you want. This doesn't happen with Japan because they are world class. And I doubtmost are sending 15 files. Thailand just keeps falling behind in every aspect.
Wannikea *********
Upload your qualifying income 65K+ per month bank statement for 3 months along with a brief cover letter attached/combined to your PDF stating you are using the monthly income method. How do you expect to get a yearly extension once you're in Thailand if you don't have the 800K ready to transfer?
John **********
Some of the US consulates such as LA want to see 800k baht or an income certificate showing a minimum of 65k baht pension income per month.
David ********
Save more money and play by the rules
Jack ********
There isn’t a monthly income requirement.
Mike *******
Sheesh and the comments are so sad
Dylan ********
When I applied for my 90 day, non-O visa back in October I showed equivalent of ฿800,000 in my USA account. They came back and asked me to show proof of ฿65,000 in income over the last three months.
It actually took me a while to figure out what they were talking about because of the language barrier and because it wasn’t listed as a requirement on the application. But that’s what they wanted. so fortunately I was able to provide that.
It actually took me a while to figure out what they were talking about because of the language barrier and because it wasn’t listed as a requirement on the application. But that’s what they wanted. so fortunately I was able to provide that.
David ********
Which embassy did you apply with?
Todd *********
Do you have a pension fund in the US? Maybe show the statements from that if you can
Petrov ********
Show more clear your last 12 mouths monthly income not les than
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bat per month. Write cover letter show source of income ask them to write for you letter for embassy with address and contact phone number .
Leeann **********
I don't know why you applied for that visa when you don't meet the qualifications?
If you don't have the money in your account, you can try working with an agent.
If you don't have the money in your account, you can try working with an agent.
Bruno ***********
Leeann Michelle I have the feeling sooner or later the trick through an agent to provide the 800l tb requirement will end
Government is tightening and enforcing the rules to avoid visa based on un-proper documents.
It might well be that the existence of some agencies will be questionable
True that TIT and brown envelopes flows around but the 800k isn't much avoidable
Government is tightening and enforcing the rules to avoid visa based on un-proper documents.
It might well be that the existence of some agencies will be questionable
True that TIT and brown envelopes flows around but the 800k isn't much avoidable
Brandon ************
Bruno Vaglienti the government hasn't changed anything and nothing is changing with agents
Terry ***************
Bruno Vaglienti nonsense
Brandon ************
Jim McGowan it's always been that way. Agents use money to get around the requirements, and that's not going anywhere
Jim *********
Terry Bill McGinty this year you must show ฿800K in you Thai account for two months before application, even for a new change of visa status. That kind of eliminates the agent doesn't it? I don't think agents will deposit the money in your accout for two months!, do you?
Cyrill *******
Which Visa you applied? NON-O Retirement? Or NON- OA?
Sean ********
OP@Cyrill ******
I was advised by a visa agent when I visited in September to get the 90 day Non O visa in the U.S. and then will get the retirement visa in Thailand. The website was a bit confusing. Many I applied for the wrong one.Cyrill *******
Sean Bright For NON-O Retirement 90 days you can show income/pension at least
NON-OA give you a 12 months Visa already from your Embassy in your home country. But need more Paperwork like health insurance etc.🙏😉
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bath from the last 3 months. Or a Bank Statement of 800'000 bath from any Bank for the initial Visa. Later for Extension of stay you need a Thai Bank Account with 800'000 bath or Income/Pension *****
bath. NON-OA give you a 12 months Visa already from your Embassy in your home country. But need more Paperwork like health insurance etc.🙏😉
Bruno ***********
@Cyrill ******
I don't think it is "either or" (monthly income above 65k / 800k deposit) but income AND deposit.From day 1 and the deposit has to be there at all times, since it's checked yearly....
(In pure theory you might not have the 800k between month 4 and month 8 of the year, not a big advantage)
Abas ******
Sean Bright you have to upload 3 months statement in which salary or any income equal to
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baht has deposited each month or upload a statement of 3 months showing your closing balance to be 800k bahtSean ********
OP@Cyrill ******
that’s what I read, but their e mail says 800,000 bahtBrandon ************
@Cyrill ******
You cannot show Income/pension for the first 1-year extension unless it's via an embassy letter, which many embassies no longer do.Wannikea *********
Sean Bright 90 day Non O is the retirement/over 50 years of age visa, when you get to Thailand you apply for an extension after your 800,000 has seasoned in a Thai bank for 2 months.
Colin *******
Because he intends to apply for a 12 months extension when in Thailand, which does have the 800,000 requirement. So it makes sense for them to ask for it up front, and avoid another agent putting the money in, situation. Maybe, just my best thought.
Matty ****
Colin Faith yep there are a lot of agents that are doing the backdoor deposit
I think they've become smarter
I think they've become smarter
Lynnette *******
I believe it's one of the requirements to have that amount in your bank for the application.
Tony *********
They want to see the 800k baht basically for the initial visa
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