What are the easiest visa options for someone with a Non-O based on marriage in Thailand?

Sep 12, 2020
4 years ago
Henrik ****
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I am asking for advice.

I have had Non-O visa based on marriage for many years. I got it in my home country every year. It was kind of easy as I only had to show copies of marriage and birth certificates, an invitation, and a bank statement of 400k THB. I had to go out and in of Thailand every 90 days. No big issue.

Last year I started to get problems when crossing the border. Therefore I decided to go for an extension instead.

It took me 5 visits and something like 50 documents signed upside down including 3 documents from the bank, extra documents from Ampur on marriage, 10 photos from inside and outside my house, etc. etc.

This year I was hoping for a more easy procedure, but I have to repeat everything again. And the immigration (Prachin) won't even give me a list of requirements in English. My wife has a hard time understanding all the requirements.

I am over 50 years old and could go for a retirement visa if easier.

I am looking for the easiest way to do this. I know Elite Visa is an option but a bit expensive.

Thanks in advance for your advice.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The user has faced increasing difficulties with the Non-O visa extension based on marriage, requiring extensive documentation and multiple visits to immigration. Despite exchanging experiences and suggestions on the forum, most users agree that a retirement visa might offer a simpler application process, especially under certain conditions such as having enough funds in a Thai bank account. The complexities associated with marriage visas, including potential eligibility for permanent residency and employment opportunities, are also discussed.
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Tod *********
and I think we're done with this topic too. The O/P has their options :)
Jo ****
The retirement visa would be a lot easier paperwork wise. Also you won't need to drag your wife over and provide pictures etc.
Bill **********
Try the retirement visa, based on marriage. Have been doing this for the last 5 years and it's very easy.
Neo ************
Retired is more easy
Alex ******
It's a lot of stuff I know but like Todd said after the first year you know what to bring and it gets easier.
Henrik ****
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Seems like a headache even tried it before...
Sean *************
It depends on YOUR circumstances.

Marriage extension,

-more paperwork, those of us that have done it know. But, you get used to it.

-you can eventually apply for Permanent Residency (>3 years of unbroken visa, plus a number of factors, donations, nationally quota, not available all years)

- you can seek employment, serve as a director, etc

- easier to switch reasons for extension within Thailand

Retirement

- more money in the bank

- easier paperwork

- ineligible for permanent residency

- any work is prohibited

- EXTREMELY difficult (nearly impossible)to change from a retirement extension to a different reason for extension without leaving the country. So while changing from marriage to retirement is a piece of cake, IIRC the opposite (retirement to marriage) is not possible within (is covid19 an exception?)

Please correct me if I’d made any errors! YMMV

Only you know your
Michael ***********
Is it true that you can work, unobstructed, on a marriage visa, but can face stiff penalties of found working on a 'retirement' visa?
Benjamin ******
@Michael **********
yes, you can not get a work permit on an extension of stay based on retirement.
Benjamin ******
@Sean ************
it is easy to convert from a retirement to a marriage extension if the retirement extension was gotten on a non-o (and not a non-oa) it I remember correctly
Thomas **********
Guess I have been fortunate. Been doing the extension of stay for over twenty years, non-o retirement, and never takes more than an hour. Knock on wood. Lol
Joe ***********
@Thomas *********
- Correct "Retirement" Extension - Not Same Same as Marriage Extension... the actual point of the post.
Henrik ****
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@Joe **********
, no, but I am asking if this is a better option...
Joe ***********
@Henrik ***
- It all depends on whether you have 800,000 Baht in a Thai Bank Account in ONLY your Name (two months before you apply)
Henrik ****
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@Joe **********
, I know the bank requirements. I don't have the 800k on my account right now, but could arrange for next year.
Joe ***********
@Henrik ***
- Then good luck for next.
Henrik ****
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Yes, seems like my conclusion to go for Non-O based on retirement. I guess a yellow house book will make this one even easier?
Colin **********
@Henrik ***
your be lucky
Colin **********
I done it 3 times here my list: TM 7 Application x 2 both must be originals

Photos (4 x 6 cm) on both application forms.

Copy of passport, main page, plus copies of old extensions, TM 6 arrival / departure card. TM30 and latest 90 day report

Copy of marriage certificate.

Updated copy of Kor Ror 2 (long tabien) from Amphur office.

Copy of house registration (blue book / tabien baan).

Copy of wifes ID card.

Bank book to prove 400,000 Baht in bank for at least 2 months before. In Prachinburi they also require you to keep the money for 3 months after. The bank book should be updated on the same date of the application. (I move 100THB in and out of the account on the day of the application or else it will be out of date)

A bank letter that should be dated on the day you submit your application, your bank should know what’s required but the letter should include: Your name, Passport number, bank account number and the balance

The bank letter should have the same balance as the bank book

Map location of house, hand drawn, I also give a printed Google map

They will call you to visit your home and may require a witness.

Photo's of marriage: In Prachinburi they want 4 photos of you have your wife: One outside the house showing the address, one in the bedroom, one in the kitchen and one the lounge

There is a Thai form: that will need to be filled to say you understand your be deported if you don’t comply with the visa

A second copy of all document

Fee1900 Baht
Henrik ****
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Last year they required many more photos including a dining photo. I think the requirement for money on account 3 months after is for retirement extension only. Basically, they ask for a lot more documents on house, marriage, and babies. The blue book must be fully copied and everyone in it must sign their page. Copy of ID cards from everyone made very correctly and signed even more appropriately. They come to visit me and ask to talk to two neighbors with signed copies of ID cards... And more...
Colin **********
@Henrik ***
3 months after was enforced for the marriage extension I did. The signing of the documents is normal. I prepare everything now
Henrik ****
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@Colin *********
, in Prachin?
Colin **********
Henrik ****
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@Colin *********
, ok, I think they have kind of individual rules in Prachin. I know about someone last year being asked for money in the bank for 1 month, but I didn't get this requirement. They actually didn't tell him until he showed up to get the extension stamp and unfortunately didn't have the money on account any longer, and then had to leave Thailand in 7 days... Because of that, I always have the 400k on my account...
Ben ****
An extension based on retirement using the embassy income declaration is the easiest extension there is. Is your embassy still issuing the income declarations?
Henrik ****
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I have the money in the bank. That part is the easy part :-) My bank wants to help me. Last time I didn't even have to pay for it...
Connie ********************
I have a retirement VISA...and every year they want the same.copy's yes...Often they invent something new..

Since last year they want extra a copy of your Bankbook/expensis....

I'm looking forward to the next surprise.
Tod *********
Think of it this way, EVERY year you apply for a new extension and it requires ALL the same paperwork as the previous years did because it's a totally new yearly extension of stay.

There's not much really to suggest to you and I don't know what you're really asking :/

You either meet the requirements to get the extension based on marriage, based on retirement OR you talk to the elite people about that visa.
Alf ***********
One of the things immigration has to check, is if the marriage is de jure AND de facto. Hence all the paperwork and checks.

If you are over 50 years old, it's not very likely to change, hence less paperwork
Henrik ****
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Thanks for your answer. It seems a bit strange to me that I have to document everything to extreme detail every year even I stay in the same place with the same people. I can see from posts on this page, that a retirement visa extension seems easier to maintain on an annual basis, but not sure if this is merely a difference from immigration to immigration or retirement visa extension is truly easier?
Tod *********
@Henrik ***
retirement extensions do require less documentation BUT more money in the bank or money transferred in every month AND you get them on the spot, you don't get that 30 day under consideration stamp and then go back a month later.

It's not strange at all, it is what it is, every year, is a NEW application (doesn't matter if it's your first or your 100th) each years application requires the documents it requires.
Henrik ****
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@Tod ********
, how are the rules for going from extension based on marriage to extension based on retirement? Do I need to scroll back to a new Non-O visa?
Ellie *******
@Henrik ***
If you are on the extension already you can change the reason for an extension on your next application. You just need to meet the requirements for an extension based on being over 50 years old of age.
Henrik ****
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@Ellie ******
, brilliant. Thanks :-)
Henrik ****
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@Tod ********
, what I find strange is not that I have to apply every year. What I find strange is the level of detail. I mean, when I came the first time to the office, I basically had everything required. But then more pictures were needed from my house. Then some pictures should be rotated. Then some copies should be made a little differently. Then my sons had to sign the copies more times. Etc. Like harassment. When I went to immigration this time just to ask for the list of requirements, they asked me five times, why my wife didn't come, will she come, she has to come etc. I am asking for an annual extension, not an annual humiliation ;-)
Dominic ****
@Henrik ***
not possible to apply for permanent residency instead?
Henrik ****
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@Dominic ********
, that's much more complicated and I do not speak well-enough Thai for that.
Dominic ****
@Henrik ***
I thought the language requirement and other complexity was only for citizenship. I could be wrong though.
Henrik ****
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@Dominic ********
, I did look into it a while ago but seems difficult. But yes, citizenship seems very difficult...
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