What is the easiest visa to hold in Thailand: marriage extension or retirement extension for someone over 50?

Jul 20, 2018
6 years ago
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
I am over 50, married to a Thai lady, and have money in the bank. So which is the easiest visa to continue holding, the marriage or the money??
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The discussion revolves around the best visa option for someone over 50, married to a Thai national, and financially stable. Participants suggest that the Non-Immigrant Type O-A visa is the easiest to obtain and maintain, as it allows for a nearly two-year stay and can be applied for in one's home country. There are important distinctions between marriage and retirement visas regarding financial requirements and work permission, with the marriage extension requiring 400,000 baht in the bank compared to 800,000 baht for retirement. The conversation touches on long-term residency considerations and the process of obtaining these visas.
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Tod *********
and I think by this time we've confused
@Paul *******
enough ;)

I'd say his easiest choice is the O-A visa from the thai consulate in his country before he comes here. That will give him almost 2 years of trouble free stay here. Then he can look into his other option.

Thanx one and all, we're done.
David ****************
Just one small point. With a retirement extension, you can use a combination of bank money & income. This is not available on a ‘marriage’ ext, just one or the other.
Glen ********
This site amazes me. The question was asked 37 minutes ago and everything you could possibly need to know has been posted. 👍
Tod *********
Paul Potter, This will outline to you the things people commonly call a retirement visa.

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Tod *********
The real question that needs to be answered IS are you already here in thailand or are you still in your home country? That will dictate what path you need to take to get what's referred to as a "retirement visa".
Tony ********
@Tod ********
and to further confuse things, The Ministry of Foreign Affairs says that a Non-OA entitles the alien to stay for one year from date of FIRST entry.
Peter *********
@Tod ********
just to clarify, if you have the child out of wedlock then marry, then you are covered. Additionally if you divorce amicably then the child arrangements need not go through the courts at all. The Ampur simply writes the details into the divorce agreement. The Ampur divorce accord is at least as strong as one thrashed out in the courts. I had a lawyer present who had drawn up a mutually agreed but long winded overcomplicated text for the arrangement. The clerks took one look and said forget it. On the spot they reduced it to half a page instead of ten, and the lawyers were totally subservient to the clerks which I was really not expecting.

End result 8 years so far of trouble free visas and travel and obtaining Thai docs like ID cards etc without needing any consent or intervention whatsoever from the mother, based on a single line the clerk drew up: "the parties agree the father is to have full custody and parental responsibility".
Tony ********
Tod Daniels in fact the embassy in washington makes the same error. it specifically states Upon arrival, holder of this type of visa will be permitted to stay in Thailand for 1 year from the date of first entry. During THE one-year period, if he or she wishes to leave and re-enter the country, he or she is required to apply at the Immigration office for re-entry permit (single or multiple) before departure.
Tod *********
@Peter ********
it needs to be pointed out that you need to have a half-thai child while you're married because then you're given legal parental rights. Unfortunately, having a child out of wedlock means 100% of the parental rights go to the mother. It doesn't matter if your name is on the birth certificate or even if you get a passport from your country for the child. You as the father need to go to family court and get recognized as the legal father and granted parental rights, Only then can you use "support half thai children" as the reason for a yearly extension of stay at the immigration office.
Peter *********
Just in passing - even after divorce I was able to maintain the extensions of stay based on the family type visa as I had full custody of our child. So even though single as long as our child is a minor this type of visa requires only 400K in the bank, and should you ever consider starting a business or working here, unlike the retirement visa you can apply for a WP
Tony ********
@Tod ********
well it sure fooled me. lol
Tod *********
@To**
I think they are actually referring to the fact that IF you come here stamp in and stay in the country for a year your visa would expire and you'd need a re-entry permit to keep your stamp 'alive' if you leave and come back after that.

BUT it is sort of misleading
Tony ********
@Tod ********
Lol! even the embassy has it wrong!
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Tony ********
@Tod ********
lol! these consulates are a joke!!
Tod *********
@Tony *******
that is totally false information. The visa is sold as a multi entry type meaning you can enter/exit the country for the validity of the visa (a year from the date it's issued) and get stamped in for a new year every time you enter.

IF you exit/re-enter just prior to the "enter before" date on the visa itself you can actually get TWO years of stay out of a visa that's valid for just one year. However on the "second year" (any time you need to exit the country AFTER the enter before date on the visa) you would need a re-entry permit because the multi-entry part of that visa expires on the "enter before" date and if you left after that you'd cancel your current stamp.
Tony ********
@Tod ********
the Vancouver Consulate indicates that the holder of a Non- OA must get a rentry permit from immigration before leaving or he/she will forfeit the visa. Recommendations for foreigners with Non-Immigrant Visa “O-A” (Long Stay) while staying in the Kingdom (very important)

Upon arrival, holder of this type of visa will be permitted to stay in Thailand for 1 year from the date of first entry. During the one-year period, if he or she wishes to leave and re-enter the country, he or she is required to apply at the Immigration office for re-entry permit (single or multiple) before departure. In the case of leaving the country without a re-entry permit, the permit to stay for 1 year shall be considered void.
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tod ********
Thank you
Tod *********
@Paul *******
the best visa is the one I mentioned earlier the year-long multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type O-A visa that you get from the thai consulate in your country BEFORE you come here. you can use you current bank account in your country to meet the financial requirements.

That visa is good for a year from the date it's issued, and each time you enter the country you get stamped in for a whole new year for the validity of the visa.

Hands down it is the best value for money and the most trouble free visa to hold
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
I am still in my home country and will be applying for a VISA in the next couple of months for a move in early 2019. I have already stashed the cash in a separate account for the 800k so that is no issue. My biggest hurdle is so many conflicting onions on which VISA is best and providing an address when I apply. We will be initially be living in a hotel for about a week while we sort out a Condo to live in while we build our retirement home.
Robin *********
Get retirement visa

Better
Tod *********
The main difference between the yearly extension based on marriage and retirement are

marriage extensions go under consideration for 30 days when you apply before you go back and get the yearly extension inked in, AND during that 30 days you may have an in home visit from the immigration office

extensions based on being over 50 (retirement) are issued on the spot BUT require 800K baht banked or 65K baht of income from abroad whereas an extension based on marriage requires only 400K baht banked or 40K baht income from abroad.
Mark ******
@Tod ********
thanks. Same rules would apply, for every foreign work permit issued, employer has to employ 4 thai.....
Tod *********
@Mark *****
, correct, you need to hold a work permit to work here BUT you can get a work permit on a yearly extension based on marriage IF you're offered a job, you don't have to switch to a Non-B visa.
Mark ******
@David ***********
-am I correct in stating that you would still need to apply for a work permit, even if you have a non o based on marriage?
David ************
Another difference is using the marriage reason you can work. Using retirement you can't.
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tod ********
Ok so will give that a miss. Have worked long enough and paid too much tax where I am lol. Thankyou for you help. Much appreciated.
Tod *********
@Paul *******
you need to legally work here for a specific period of years, pay taxes, file taxes etc to qualify for permanent residency
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Can you go down the residency road on the over 50 or only on the married? The money in the bank is not an issue for either.
Charlie ******
depends what u are out for, the easiest is 50+ visa and extension.

But if you want to have a chance to get permanent recidency, or someday work without in need of leaving the country etc.. marriage one..
Charlie ******
@Paul *******
Best of luck to you! :)
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Charlie *****
Thankyou for the info, may give it a run further down the track after I have settled into retirement.
Charlie ******
@Paul *******
U just need to have a good picture memory and know the sounds of each picture ;) hehe

I know some 40 and 50+ sweds that went for PR and got it after 5 years based on marriage thats why im talking against you
@T**
. They can now come and go as they want but will never have a chance of getting a citizenship as they havent worked or paid taxes in Thailand.
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Charlie Wall Think that ship has sailed when it comes to reading and writing Thai. My spoken is not bad but a hearing defect makes it hard to pick the different inflections so I constantly miss hear.
Charlie ******
@Paul *******
Then the marriage one, learn basic thai read and write and conversation and stay for minimum of 3 years with no break in the extensions.

Apply fee~7k

fee for PR~100k(if get it based on marriage, based on work investment etc. ~200k). though can take long time to get it.

And
@Tod ********
naahaaaa thats if u base it on work, investment etc.

But for a chance choose the right visa ;) 100ppl/country/year if get rejected wait another 3 and try again.

Never miss a 90-days, be sure to be on time for extensions etc. never overstay before. Thats a good start ;)

Things in this country takes time, just need to have patience.
Tod *********
@Charlie *****
, let's not muddy the water about permanent residency because just being married to a thai for a specific period of time does NOT let you apply for it. You need to legally work here, pay into the social security system, file taxes etc.
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Permanent residency would be nice. Obviously a lot less paperwork.
Tod *********
Get a year-long, multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type O-A visa from the thai consulate in your country BEFORE you come here. That's the easiest and best visa to have.
Lloyd ********
The easiest in terms of paperwork would be the extension based on being over 50 (retirement), it also has the advantage of not ending should you divorce or your wife, but of course the money is double 800k as opposed to 400k for the marriage extension.
Paul ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
My apologies I should have been more clear. I intend to retire to Thailand using the multi-entry year No O visa's
Tod *********
I am not quite understanding your question.

What type of visa or extension of stay do you currently have?
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