What is the best long-term visa option for a 63-year-old US citizen married to a Thai citizen?

Mar 23, 2023
2 years ago
Eric ********
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Hi folks, I’m about ready to apply for a long term visa. Which one is the best and least restrictive. Here is my basic info:

Currently live in the USA

Age 63

Married in the US to a Thai citizen holding a US green card.

I can meet any financial requirements but feel the Elite is not a good use of money.

We want to be able to freely travel to and from USA as well as other countries.

My wife has a house in Thailand but we will eventually buy or build another place for ourselves.

Suggestions?

Thanks so much
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The user seeks advice on the best long-term visa to apply for in Thailand, considering their status as a 63-year-old US citizen married to a Thai citizen. Several responses suggest that the OA visa is the least restrictive, as it requires showing funds in the US without needing to transfer money to Thailand. Other options discussed include the NON-O visa for retirement or spouse, which requires maintaining a certain amount in a Thai bank but involves more paperwork. Additionally, the new LTR visa is recommended for long-term stays with minimal restrictions, allowing multi-exit and entry over 10 years, with an upfront cost of 50,000 Baht.
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Eric ********
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Thanks everyone for the great information. Lots to digest. Are any of these the same as what I’ve been reading as an XO visa?
Dave **********
@Brandon ***********
heard your the expert on LTR Fast Track Departing ANY TIPS? Entering is never a problem as I'm old and with my Thai wife so they give me the Thai Line but leaving can be a long slow wait.
Todd *********
@Dave *********
you have to go upstairs from check in level at BKK. The signs are there for FastTrack
Brandon ************
@Dave *********
go to the one at row A. It's larger. They won't let your wife go with you. You might have to put up a bit of a fuss to get them to let you use it with LTR but just keep saying you have LTR and eventually they'll let you through.
Dave **********
@Eric *******
you need insurance with a OX, renew yearly and 4 sign ins a year. Under BOI- LTR NEED Insurance, renew 10 years ( check at 5 years) , MultiExit/ Reentry for 10 years, and one sign in a year but in Bangkok, at least for now. Many prefer O based on Marriage or Retirement to avoid paying for insurance. I'm lucky as my US Medicare covers me under Military TRICARE For Life and that insurance is accepted under BOI-LTR but strangely not but no by Immagration for a O, OA or OX.
Brandon ************
@Dave *********
I haven't heard of anyone getting OX visa from the US. Australia is the only place that seems to give them out.
Dave **********
@Brandon ***********
wow that's crazy. All know about OX is this from Washington DC Thai Embassy

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Jo **********
the least restrictive is the LTR
Todd *********
@Jo *********
and even though 50k cost is upfront, the annual costs come out LESS than 1900 for retirement visa and 3800 for multi Re-entry
Jo **********
@Todd ********
yes I have the LTR based on remote working
Todd *********
@Jo *********
great way to go!
Todd *********
If you qualify, there is no doubt that LTR visa is the best way to go
Jo **********
@Todd ********
very true
Mark *********
There is some great advice for you on your visa here. Be aware that if you’re out of the USA for over 183 days in a calendar year your wife’s green card is forfeited.
Dave **********
@Mark ********
for SSA reasons alone best to get the Spouse Citizenship before leaving if thats a option.

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Mark *********
@Dave *********
so true but personally couldn’t take living in the states any longer
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Dave **********
If you qualify LTR, in my opinion, @ 50,000 Bhat for 10 years which includes muti exit/ entry. I'm an American who has been in Thailand a couple decades and switched over. I qualify for and have had both the marriage and retirement visa but feel the LTR is best for my me.

Feel free to message me.
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Justine *********
Please check LTR-P Visa, no 90 days check-in.
Phil ********
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Official government website from which you may apply.

Do speak with the Royal Thai consulate in your area. If you're in California, there's one in LA.

Your wife can also gain insight from speaking to other Thai spouses in LA; she/you may be aware of the Thai Chamber of Commerce in LA and, of course, little Bangkok. 😉

Do forget about the elite visa entirely. It's a waste of money for you.

You're old enough to get a non-immigrant O based on retirement or marriage... though is your marriage registered in your wife's local Amphur?

Read up on the government website please; search this forum a bit more; this issue has been covered many times, mate.

As for travel in and out, you'll need a "multiple re entry permit; which is completely separate from any visa.

I reckon things will also depend on your American laws concerning your wife wanting to keep her green card or not...

check from that angle as well.

Good luck
Eric ********
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@Phil *******
thanks Phil know our marriage is not registered in Thailand at this time. Something I need to look into.
David *****
@Phil *******
his wife will need a re-entry permit if she is planning to be out of the US longer than a year, otherwise they will consider she has abandoned her permanent residency and lose her green card
David *******
Non O for Retirement.
Cary ******
Retirement with multi reentry.
Eric ********
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@Cary *****
I plan to keep my house in the US and still own a business or so I need to go back-and-forth some
Shayne **********
Retirement or spouse visa is pretty easy.

Spouse is less money but a little bit more annoying with paperwork.

Retirement is basically a bank statement.

Both can be as cheap as 1900 baht per year if you do all the leg work.
Brandon ************
Easiest and least restrictive will be the OA visa you get from the US before going to Thailand.

This is a 1 year multi-entry visa. You are required to show the funds in your account in the US, and not required to transfer any money to Thailand. The biggest "restriction" to this visa is you are required to show $100,000 in insurance coverage for the entire year you have the visa in order to get it.

Most people use this visa for 2 reasons, the primary one is they are not required to send money to Thailand and lock it in an account, and the 2nd is you can get about 2 years out of it.

Because it's multi-entry, every time you leave and re-enter within the 1 year of the visa, you are stamped in for another full year (or as long as your insurance is valid for). So what most people do is leave right before the visa expires and re-enter, and then get a 2nd year. If you want to leave Thailand during this second year, you need to get a re-entry permit since your visa has expired. Most people go back to their home country near the 2nd of year 2 and apply for another OA and start the cycle again. You never have to deal with immigration in Thailand for an extension, you'll only be dealing with them for 90 day reports (if you travel a lot not relevant), TM30 reports, and re-entry permit for your 2nd year.

Next would be a standard non-O based on retirement. You can get the 90 day non-O in the US before you go to Thailand, and then put in 800,000 in a Thai bank account and apply for the 1 year extension after you've had the money in your Thai bank account for 2 full months. This one requires you leave the money in the bank account all the time (technically you can let it drop down to 400,000 for about half the year, but not worth playing this game if you can keep it at 800,000 because you risk mis-timing it and losing your next extension. This one also requires a re-entry permit for you to leave Thailand.

The reason I say this one for 2nd is you specifically say the least restrictive, and the retirement non-O is much easier to get than the marriage non-O. Yes the marriage non-O has a lower financial requirements, but it requires a LOT more paperwork, your wise has to go with you to apply, and you also have to return again to get your stamp after about a month. The marriage one is very inconvenient.
Bobby ********
@Brook *******
You do not "renew" the OA visa. You get an extension. But as
@Brandon ***********
has pointed out the OA is not designed for extending. It favours moreso people who will be returning to their home country every 18-24 months. This negates the need for ever visiting immigration. This is why the OA is 12-months Multiple Entry, as it allows a two year stay with no extension required.
Bobby ********
@Brook *******
I don't know how that works. My friend has only been here about
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months. I understand his plan is to get the free second year, and to return to Australia for a few months during this time, and then to repeat the process. If you have been denied insurance you would be best to contact your own embassy and consulate to enquire as to their procedure. The guidelines do say in the event of a denial the procedure of the embassy and consulate will be followed. It's no secret that embassies and consulates often "do their own thing" which doesn't always follow Immigration, as they are completely separate ministries under different ministers
Rachel ***************
@Brandon ***********
thank you taking the time to explain all of that. Im looking to get a retirement visa and knew I needed 800 k in an account. But do I need full amount in account 2 months prior or just need to have an account open at least two months prior?
Brook ********
@Brandon ***********
I would amend your excellent description to add that the insurance has to be from one of 14 Thai companies and that they are selective as to whom they insure.
Bobby ********
@Brook *******
If an applicant is declined insurance they can instead show equivalent amount (US$100,000) in assets (property, shares, savings etc) in lieu of insurance.
Brook ********
@Bobby *******
Please cite the applicable Thai law or regulation.
Bobby ********
@Brook *******
Decree of Royal Thai Police No.
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Brook ********
@Bobby *******
This one?

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Bobby ********
@Brook *******
No there's a later one which amended this one
Brook ********
@Bobby *******
the Criterion (4).

(6) Only for an alien, who has been granted Non-Immigrant "O-A" Visa, must have health insurance or non-Thai social

welfare covering medical expenses including the ones for Covid-19 disease with the coverage of no less than 100,000 USD or 3,000,000 baht for the entire duration of stay ni the

Kingdom.

(6.1) In case of purchasing Thai health insurance,

an alien can purchase through the website: longstay.tgia.org. (6.2) In case of purchasing foreign insurance or

having non-Thai social welfare,

foreign embassy in Thailand or a signature of authorized

person on submitted documents (Notary) must be certified

by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of an applicant.

(6.3) In case an insurance company totally or partially

denies a health insurance's purchase, an alien must have a deposit in acommercial bank located in Thailand ofno less

than 3,000,000 baht at least

application or have a deposit in a commercial bank located in Thailand and other health insurances with total sum of no less than 3,000,000 baht for medical treatment and evidence

of denying health insurance's purchase certified by the said insurance company or a foreign embassy in Thailand or a signature of authorized person on submitted documents

(Notary) must be certified by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of an applicant, depending on circumstances.

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/RTP-Order-No.654-2564.pdf
Bobby ********
@Brook *******
Correct - it's embassy specific, like most MFA directives. Australia allows assets in home country. You would need to check with your own embassy or consulate as to their conditions
Brook ********
@Bobby *******
Which embassy does not require you purchase health insurance from one of the 14 Thai insurance companies as required by the Royal Thai Police?
Bobby ********
@Brook *******
My buddy did it through the Sydney Consulate. He was denied insurance due to a number of pre-existing conditions.
Brook ********
@Bobby *******
And Thai Immigration renews the OA Visa for Australians without a health insurance policy from one of the 14 approved Thai health insurance companies?
Bobby ********
Brook ********
@Bobby *******
Sorry, to retire in Thailand you renew your retirement

visa at Thai Immigration. To renew an OA visa, Thai immigration requires a health insurance policy from one of 14 approved Thai companies.

No amount of net worth or insurance denial letters will alleviate that requirement.
Bobby ********
@Brook *******
Although I should add that it is possible to extend the OA inside Thailand without insurance, provided the applicant has been denied insurance and has 3,000,000 baht in a Thai bank account. However, this is impractical as the whole reason for opting for an OA in the first place is to avoid transferring any money to Thailand. However, your assertion that insurance is required is not correct, as I have outlined
Brandon ************
@Brook *******
we're not talking about extensions. This conversation is about obtaining an OA overseas. Extending an OA in Thailand is stupid to do.
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