Any recommendations for visa agency long term stay in Thailand ??
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Several users recommend various visa agencies and alternatives for long-term visa stays in Thailand. One user suggests the Thai Visa Centre as a reliable option. However, others advise that individuals can manage the process themselves, which can save money. A detailed step-by-step guide was shared for applying for a long-term retirement stay, highlighting requirements like bank accounts, specific forms, and the importance of obtaining a re-entry stamp after securing a one-year extension. Additionally, there are recommendations for reaching out to a well-reviewed support team via LINE for assistance.
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STEP-BY-STEP DO-IT-YOURSELF INSTRUCTIONS -- APPLYING FOR RETIREMENT STAY AFTER ARRIVAL IN THAILAND (Must be over age 50): i. You may arrive either Visa Exempt (currently 45-days), or on a 60-day Tourist Visa. ii. Then, immediately after your arrival, you must promptly open a Thai Bank Account, and transfer 800,000 Baht into Thai Bank Account (if married, some Immig. Offices like CM, accept Joint Account with 1.6 Mil. Baht. Also Note, that either Passbook Savings or Fixed Deposit is acceptable, but not Investment Account. Finally note, that some Immig. Offices, but not all - e.g. CM, require proof of foreign source of funds. WISE is an inexpensive, easy & reliable service to transfer funds). iii. Then, you apply for a 90-day Non-O Visa at local Thai Immigration Office. If on Visa Exempt, you use Form TM87, if on Tourist Visa TM86. You are required to apply with minimum 15-21 days remaining on permitted Stay, depending on Office (Chiang Mai, requires 21 days). Requirements: TM87 or TM86 (Note: Fear not, only 1-page Form simple to fill out in English with only basic info., name, address, passport info., arrival info, and stated purpose: "For Retirement"), Must be Over Age 50, 2000 Baht, Copy of all relevant pages of Passport (i.e. Facepage, and Entry Stamp); copy of TM30 (that is the required arrival form that is either completed by your Hotel or Condo, or you do yourself at Immig. Office w/i 24 hrs of arrival); copy of proof of residency (Rental Agreement, or Hotel Reservation -- some offices may not allow if only staying at a HOtel); and most importantly proof of the money in Bank (Copy of Bank Book, and a certified Letter from the Bank usually costing 100 Baht). Above is all simple and straightforward, so no need for spending money on a Visa Service. iv. If all docs. in order, Immig. Office will put a Sticker in your Passport that you are "under consideration", and a date to return to pick up your Visa Stamp (prior to your Stay expiration). v. Next, when you have 30 days remaining on the Non-O (and your Bank Money has "seeded" 60 days -- i.e. stayed on deposit), you go back to Immig. Office to apply for the 1-yr Retirement Extension. Requirements.: TM7 (Req. for Extension of Stay); 1900 Baht, and all other same docs. as above (newly updated of course). And, you will receive 1-yr Extension of Stay -- usually same day, if you arrive in morning. Note: For both processes above, your Bank Passbook Balance must be updated same date as application, and the Bank Letter should be no more than 7 days old -- easiest just to do both same day just before going to Immig. Office). vi. Finally, you should/must get a Re-Entry Stamp -- easiest/best to just do immediately after you get your 1-yr. Extension stamp. It can be single Re-Entry for 1000 Baht, or 3800 Baht for unlimited multiple Re-Entry. The Re-Entry Stamp allows you to leave and return to Thailand, without invalidating your 1-yr Extension. If you fail to do that, then your Extension of Stay is nullified, and you must start the process again. (IMPORTANT: If you want or need to leave Thailand while on the initial 90-Day Non-O, same thing -- must get Re-Entry Stamp.). Hope that is all clear.
Not quite sure what you mean by "apply for it beforehand and 'reserve' it? The Re-Entry Stamp is valid for same amount of time as current Stay (i.e. either the 90-day Non-O, and/or the 1-yr Extension of Stay), and can be used any time until above expires. Purpose is to keep your current Visa and/or Extension of Stay valid.
you don’t know lol? Look at the LONG list of time consuming steps you just listed. Clearly you don’t mind wasting your time, but for most retirees, saving time to enjoy life and making money at the same time is a nice win. Use a good agent and enjoy life
Seriously?? Ha. Agents are the biggest Waste of money ever. So easy to do it yourself. Just a matter of having the money in the Bank, and copying a few documents. You have to be super lazy or super "slow" to need an Agent. And, using an Agent really save you no time -- in fact, you not only still have to go to Immig. Office, but now you also have to go to Agent Office. AND, you still need to Deposit money in Bank, AND you still need to get all the copies of documents required and give them to the Agent. So, what do they do for you? Just neatly stack the documents together and paperclip them. (And, for that wonderful "service", you want to pay them 3900 Baht). LOL.
here is most uneducated comment on the process we will see today. You clearly have not a clue how the agents work. Now run off and stand in line somewhere, it seems to be your thing. And basic finance is clearly not your thing
No wait at my Bank to get Statement. Took 5 mins. And, btw, are you actually trying to tell me your Agent can go to your Bank without you, and get Statement. I don't think so. As for Immig. Office, you still have to go to Immig. Office in person too!!! And, at least in CM, I don't see Agents "cutting in line" any more. Either way, I make online Appt., and little if no wait to see Immig. Officer. And, FYI, ya you're right, I am very uneducated with my Harvard Law School Juris Doctorate, and my long-time appointment as an Arbitrator Judge for the Thailand National Arbitration Commission, I know nothing.
Actually, I am quite familiar with ALL of the various types of Visas. And, my wife and I have been "Seasonal Residents" in Thailand for more than 12 years, so nothing "new" about this for us. In any case, I thought our "friendly" little discussion was about the relative merits of using or not using an Agent to obtain a Retirement Visa/Extension. And, NOW, you apparently have just admitted an Agent is not even necessary for your more demanding LTR Visa Application. LOL. Because you obviously lost that debate, now you apparently want to change the topic to comparing the merits of an ordinary Retirement Extension to your LTR. As for myself, I can assure you I have weighed the Pros and Cons, and decided not my best choice. But, I will grant you that it is a "close call" at least for those old enough to qualify for ordinary Retirement Extension. Again, my wife and I have never required more than 1-2 Re-Entries, and I suspect that is true of most long-stay Ex Pats living in Thailand. IF, like you, multiple Re-Entries are necessary and desirable, then purely from a cost perspective it is close --though still slightly less expensive -- and definitely not all up front -- for the ordinary Retirement Extension. As for the other "benefits", I say "Meh". Notably, having to only do a 1-yr Report instead of 90-day Report, is actually of little if any benefit if, like you claim, you take advantage of your multiple Re-Entry to travel in/out of Thailand frequently (AT LEAST 4 times in a year, to make that worthwhile). And, if that is true, then you may not have to file any 90-day Reports regardless. And, BTW, it only takes about 1 minute to do a 90-day Report Online. As for queue preference at the Airport, whoppdee doo -- if you are age 70+ you get that Preference anyway. And, most importantly for me, I have no idea where I'll be for the next 10 years, or whether I will desire to continue returning to Thailand to reside. (Of course, I understand that for those persons under the Retirement Visa Age 50, the LTR may be their best option for long stay -- presuming they can afford it).
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Wow, your Lies are growing bigger and bigger. When I pointed out the LTR requires Health Insurance. you correctly (for once) pointed out that you in fact are not required to have it, because you use the alternative option of mandatory 100K Bank Deposit (and, THAT is indeed the only two options). And, then when I pointed out that you are the bigger Fool for maintaining USD$100K in a low-earning Bank Account, compared to only 800K Baht (about USD $24K), you then laughably claimed to be earning "11% p.a." on your $100 K Bank account. (And that, of course, is on top of your other Big Lie at the beginning of our "debate": When you claimed an Agent can get you a Retirement Extension with nothing more than "A Passport and that's it".
after seeing your deplorable math skills when i schooled you on how not to deploy 800k for a retirement extension, and you foolishly lied about interest rates being the same in Thailand , it's not surprising you are struggling with this also. And it's abundantly clear that standing in line is something harvard grads from your class are keen on. You enjoy that. You seem ideally suited to it.
Really? So, it's a bad thing in your small financial mind to deposit 800K Baht into a Thai Bank, but its ok to tie up USD$100K in your home Bank (to avoid the mandatory Thai Insurance requirement), versus far better investments. And, as I've repeatedly stated, we don't stand in line -- no line at my Bank, No line at Immig. with simple Appointment. Now, why don't you go Troll someone else. Either way, I intend to continue to give my helpful advice to those that are appreciative.
umm yup- really. $100k making 11% p.a. over the last 20 years is smart to 'tie up'. 800k baht at 0.25% is for absolute mugs who cannot comprehend basic finance. Your lack of education is just appalling. I'm glad you found a bank and immigration office that cater only to you and thus no lineups whenever you see fit to walk in. But then again, we have already clearly established blatant lies are not beyond you if needed for the narrative.
At least here on this always helpful forum, someone can easily do the math (that eluded you so far) and make a better informed decision on visa options. I think your step by step process is excellent. Nice detail. And I’m also aware there are alternatives that make far more sense. 👋
Speaking of Lies. The Biggest Lies so far came out of your mouth: 1. That if you use an Agent to get your Retirement Visa "you only need to provide your Passport and that's it". 2. Your above Post, claiming you are earning 11% Interest on your $100K Bank Deposit. Love to see Proof of that!!! FYI -- I am earning 1.00% currently on my Thai Bank 12 mos. Fix Deposit, and until the recent rise of interest rates in the West, my Thai Bank interest has in fact usually equalled or exceeded my western banks. In any event, my required 800K Baht is only about USD $24K, while you are required to keep USD$100K in a low-interest Bank Acct. Regardless, our debate is and was always about whether an Agent is required and necessary to obtain a simple Retirement Visa/Extension; and NOT about the relative merits of an ordinary Retirement Visa/Extension compared to your supposed LTR Visa. But, if it were about that, again, most people do not have the financial wherewithal for the LTR Visa, and even if they did, as I pointed out, it is still more costly. Furthermore, as you apparently admitted, you don't even need an Agent for that either!!! Now, give it up you TROLL.
may need a psychiatrist to get thru his day here lol. Other than me helping you to discover that you make a whopping 1% return on your invested 800k (ur welcome, but most 20 year olds have more financial acumen), nothing you said here is remotely close to accurate; it's a weird, unbalanced rant about apparently nothing. We understand that Harvard didn't provide you with the necessary skills to have the financial backing for LTR. Fair enough. No need to be angry. You have it or you don't. There is no doubt that paying 5k annually for a one time application LTR, with 10 years unlimited entry with extended privileges and no 90 day reporting is the best way to go. I'm not here to help the bottom 5% understand that. If you have the resources, you get the visa approved in a matter of days. An agent would not be of any particular use at all in acquiring LTR unless language difficulties. It's a less costly and more effective visa. You are not going to wake up and get that one day. If you still fail to grasp the basics of using an agent, why don't you save yourself the time and stupid rants and ask the owner of this page,
Thanks for AGAIN ADMITTING you don't need an Agent for even the more difficult LTR Visa. And, from the very beginning of this Post, I also demonstrated one is not needed for the much simpler ordinary Retirement Visa/Extension. As for the rest of your Nonsense, I have already demonstrated the fallacies in your other arguments. Case Closed. (And, note all the Thumbs Up I have received -- how about you?). Bye Bye Troll. P.S. Sorry you feel like such a Fool for spending all your money on the LTR. But, I won't let you sucker others into your same mistake. 😂
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If/when you gain some comprehension and insight that would be helpful- please let us know. Meanwhile, U woke up this morning more educated. Ur welcome. If you need some help getting a better visa than your current one, let me know, here to help you out. Also can assist with investment advice, holy! You are in desperate need
if you have failed to make 11% p.a on your investments over the last decade, you are an even bigger investment failure than I imagined. But it seems that failure is something very familiar with. 🤡 Pick a basket of large cap stocks and buy equal amounts. Not more than 25 stocks. Ur welcome. If you need any more financial or visa advice, I’m gonna have to start charging you for it
Not "Investments". You said you earn "11% p.a." on your required 100K Bank Account. Prove it, or shut the "F...ck" Up. Because everyone now knows you are a Fool and a Liar!
😂😂😂No Bob.b. I didn’t you imbecile 🙂 your reading skills are atrocious. And there is no required $100k bank account you moron. You just don’t understand the LTR literature. Now stfu son and get back to your fake degree from Hervard 😂😂 #failedcop
You do it your way, and I and most of the rest of us mere Mortals will do it our way -- and, not spend unnecessary money for an Agent to obtain an ordinary Retirement Extension. But, I will try to "be smarter" like you Todd. LOL. 😂 BTW -- What's this about a 20 min. online application-- you wouldn't be suggesting it can be done without paying an Agent, would you?
you are a laugh bobb. Lotsa failed cops struggle though. You are getting your back end handed to you here. Is this your first week in Thailand?
What if you ‘don’t want a multiple entry visa’? Ahhh you mean you never want to travel lol? That’s for the harvard grads who can’t afford. Real people travel bobb. It’s not a prison sentence
The ‘mandatory health insurance’? Not such thing. Again it’s shocking a supposed grad but even a Wyoming community college has such poor reading skills. You need $100k in a bank. That’s all. Safe bet everyone with an LTR can manage that lol. And we get NO 90 day reporting, fast track at all Airports, and tax free international income. The entire application process takes 20 mins online. What would an agent do? I can appreciate that you need the very low budget model, but that’s not for me ol boy. Be smarter. Please.
saves you $0 and zero cents. Use a good agent and don’t waste your time or money. It’s not that hard
Todd *********
FYI - I clearly explained how the 800k method, IS wasting money. Interesting that Harvard left basic finance out of the curriculum. Absolutely amateur concept to grasp.
You may grovel all you wish at the knees of your legal perspectives of Thailand. That’s up to you.
Also FYI you are flat out lying about interest rates. Comical. You can 5% with ease in many countries now. Thailand is not one of them.
You seem to have omitted both LTR and OX visas from your ‘research’. Maybe brush up on them.
And FYI, the stamp you obtain from an agent is perfectly LEGAL. But you should already know this
I didn't "Omit LTR and OX". That was NEVER what my Instructions were for, and which you criticized. Moreover, both of the above have their own significant Financial Requirements -- again, NONE of which an Agent may Bypass for you. And, No Mr. Smartass, you couldn't possibly get either of the above using an Agent and only giving them your Passport and 3900 Baht. Lastly, you show your extraordinary Ignorance by claiming the "Stamp you receive from an agent is perfectly Legal". Agents can't give you a "Legal" Stamp, only an Immig. Officer. Now, why don't you "Put your Money where your Big Mouth Is", and Post for the World to see, exactly what kind of of "Stamp" you are currently staying in Thailand on (Non-O with Retirement Extension? LTR? OX?), and how you claim you obtained it without meeting any of the Financial Requirements, by simply using an Agent, giving them only your Passport and 3900 Baht? And, then I'll be happy to pass along your information to the Office of Investigations for Thai Immigration.
Your "Claims" to have supposedly obtained your Retirement Extension (still unspecified what type), without complying with the mandatory Financial Proof, and providing anything but your Passport and 3900 Baht to an Agent.
how stupid are you exactly? Where do I say a word about 3900 baht? Right - nowhere. Where do I claim to have obtained a visa at all? Right - nowhere. I have an LTR visa. Because I understand how the system works. Sort yourself out now son. Ur an absolute embarrassment to your supposed alma mater. As the smart people here have indicated to you, Thai Visa Centre is an excellent resource. They can help you with the education you need about visa agents
"Where do I claim to have obtained a Visa at all? Right -- nowhere. I HAVE AN LTR VISA." Your mind is not functioning right. Oh, and let's not forget your earlier Post: "you need one thing with an agent. A valid passport. That is all." Something is definitely wrong with you. LOL. Talk about an embarrassment. 😂 FYI -- YOU are the only one who have made such comments. All others, have been "Thank you". BTW -- You sure as hell, didn't get an LTR Visa with only a valid Passport and "that's it", whethr using an Agent or not. Anyone who believes that, is indeed Stupid. LOL.
was a pleasure humiliating you here. I’m saddened for the state of ‘ivy league’ education, but most people seem aware. This is a nice piece of clarification though. 🍻 man. Enjoy the lineups and wasted baht.
Ya, I feel totally humiliated -- by the (so-far) 6 Thumbs Up to your 1 "Laugh" for my original Posted Instructions. (And, that's just this Post -- I've posted it many other times & places, to similar "accolades". ) BTW -- Why don't you explain to all your "Fans", the requirements for your supposed LTR Visa, compared to a normal Retirement Extension, and see how many could afford that, let alone the gruesome application process versus the simple No-Agent-Required Process for an ordinary Retirement Extension. Oh, and speaking of your Financial Genius, you'd rather spend 50,000 Baht Fee (versus 1900 Baht for 1-yr Retirement Ext.), together with mandatory Thai Health Insurance, than simply depositing a modest 800K in an interest bearing Thai Bank Account. Oh my, I feel so utterly "humiliated". Bye Bye.
now I’m gonna help you more because I feel for the disadvantaged.
Now what’s the actual cost of a 1 year retirement extension? 1900 baht. You following so far?
LTR is an unlimited entry visa. With very simple application process. So if you want an unlimited Re-entry pass for your 1900 baht extension, what does that cost? Does 3800 baht sound familiar? Ok. Now stay with me - what’s 3800 +1900 ivy league? Did they teach you that? By my conventional math, that’s equals 5700 baht. Now let’s see if you pass the test…. Is 5700 baht more expensive than 5000 baht? Look forward to your response.
And, if you don't want or need an Unlimited Re-Entry ... or any at all, how does that figure into your math, Genius? Oh, and I guess you forgot about the yearly cost of your mandatory Thai Health Insurance. Or, the undoubtedly HEFTY FEE your oh-so-helpful Agent must have charged you. Not to mention the major hassle of the additional application reqs. for the LTR. (Oh, and what happens if you Croak Off before you have used your full 10 year LTR). But, I think I finally have you figured out, and why you have your Head Up Your Ass about my wanting to help people with simple Do-it-Yourself Instructions for ordinary Retirement Extension: Because you feel like a damn Fool for having spent so much money for your LTR Visa. It's ok, lot of other Fools out there to join your company. lol. BTW -- Let's not forget, again, that this whole discussion arose over my Instructions for do-it-yourself ordinary Retirement Extension, which a whole lot more people can afford, versus the LTR Visa that has very Substantial Financial Requirements, that many/most folks cannot afford. So, take that and stuff where the Sun Don't Shine (i.e. where you put your Head). LOL. 😂
Agents are the biggest Waste of money ever. So easy to do it yourself. Just a matter of having the money in the Bank, and copying a few documents. You have to be super lazy or super "slow" to need an Agent. And, using an Agent really save you no time -- in fact, you not only still have to go to Immig. Office, but now you also have to go to Agent Office. AND, you still need to Deposit money in Bank, AND you still need to get all the copies of documents required and give them to the Agent. So, what do they do for you? Just neatly stack the documents together and paperclip them. LOL. (And, for that wonderful "service", you want to pay them 3900 Baht).
Really??? So, the Agent can get you a Retirement Extension, with no proof of Bank Deposit (or 12 months Income Method); and no personal attendance at Immig. Office. Ha. BTW -- Aside from the mandatory Bank Statement, my Passport (with copies made of relevant stamps inside -- oh, how traumatic to go to copy shop and make copies), that is all anyone needs per my Instructions.
if you understand the most basic concepts of Finance and value your time, you use an agent. If you hate your money and your time, use the 800k deposit method. Especially if you enjoy sitting in the wait lineup at your bank and then immigration every year. I hear it's very fun.
No wait at my Bank to get Statement. Took 5 mins. And, btw, are you actually trying to tell me your Agent can go to your Bank without you, and get Statement. I don't think so. As for Immig. Office, you still have to go to Immig. Office in person too!!! And, at least in CM, I don't see Agents "cutting in line" any more. Either way, I make online Appt., and little if no wait to see Immig. Officer. And, FYI, ya you're right, with my Harvard Law School Juris Doctorate, and my long-time appointment as an Arbitrator Judge for the Thailand National Arbitration Commission, I know nothing.
ahh 5 mins to drive to your bank,. luckily for you not a soul in line and they were fully prepared to give you the documents. What a crock of shit. PS nobody gives a rats behind what school you went to. It sure isn't helping you sort out visas. And it does lend credence to your lack of caring about how you spend your time.
And, nobody "gives a Rat's ass" about your UN-educated nonsense either. My Bank Branch is 1000 meters from my residence. Go there at opening time at 11am, out by 11:15am. Go to copy shop a few streets away, spend another 5mins. copying Passport stamps. Then Immig. Office Appointment at 2pm. Save 3900 Baht. And, if you are claiming that using an Agent can bypass the Mandatory 800K Deposit (and/or Proof of Income Method), then you are a liar. P.S. I suspect your strong "defense" of using Agents, must be because you are connected with an Agent or Agency.
oh not 5 mins anymore? That’s what I thought. You are clearly not smart enough to do the simple math here. Harvard must be at least a little saddened. Me work for an agent ? 😂😂😂. Your sleuthing skillz are not better than your finance skills
Sure, and I cannot help but notice, you didn't answer my last post as to whether or not you are claiming that an Agent can bypass the legal requirement for you to have the 800K Bank Deposit (or 12 month Income Statement) and requisite documentary proof of same. P.S. I didn't say you "work for an agent", only that you must have some "connection" (i.e. friend, relative, etc.). Otherwise, why would you be so vocal about my attempt to provide helpful and accurate Instructions to those who don't want to use an Agent. What's it to you???
Can an agent bypass the requirement? Why don't you ask them? You have indicated you believe they do nothing to assist. But my experience and discussions tells me otherwise. Feel free to take that up with them. As i CLEARLY explained the obvious financial benefit of not bringing 800k to thailand to sit at 0.25% interest, it's challenging to address your questions. You seem to have opted for wilful ignorance of this very simple equation. I fully appreciate that many here will continue to use the 800k method (to their own detriment) but it's obviously highly beneficial for others to understand what agents bring to the table.
And, likewise "Highly Beneficial" to others to know that it is simple and easy to "Do It Yourself", without wasting money on an Agent. There are only 2 LEGAL Methods for obtaining a 1-yr Retirement Extension -- 800K Baht in Thai Bank Account, OR, using the Income Method (requiring either an Affidavit certifying Pension Income from your Embassy -- no longer provided by USA, UK or AUS, or requiring proof of 12 monthly Foreign Transfers of 65K into Thai Bank). No Agent can LAWFULLY bypass these requirements. And, FYI, the interest rate I am earning on my Thai Bank Account Deposit has always been equal to or greater than I would earn in USA Bank Acct. As for "your experience and discussions", I say Humbug. My own experience and highly credentialed background, demonstrates no Agent is required for the straightforward process of obtaining a Retirement Extension.
sure. 3900 baht gets you one year extension plus one Re-entry. Annoying to follow the process, but ‘easy’ if you don’t value your time. But why waste your time and money? Not what many come to retirement for. If you tie up 800k baht in a bank account, it’s the most ridiculous method ever. Leave the 800k at home making 5%, take the 40k interest, pay your agent 14k and keep 26k in your pocket. Would you rather have 26k and not waste one minute of time or follow this instruction for hours on end and be out 3900 baht?