What are the best options for re-entering Thailand after immigration issues?

Jan 4, 2023
2 years ago
Sven *******
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I flew back home to Europe over Christmas (maybe that now complicates things). I want to come back to Thailand (Chiang Mai) now. On my most recent entry into Thailand, I got shaken down at the border (DMK airport) for money, as they say I had a warning in the system (for having stayed in Thailand too many times over the last year(s). I have been in Thailand on tourist visa / visa exemptions making use of both COVID and regular extensions as well - both in the winters of 2020/21 and 2021/22 for a couple of months, each. After a couple of months of summer break in Europe, I came back to Thailand in September 22. And then, after having taken a 2-week vacation in Bali (this October), the shakedown at the DMK border happened.

So, I am considering the best way to get back into Thailand soon. I am considering several options based on some findings and would like to have the crows-wisdoms feedback.

Here is ways I am considering:

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1) Flying from Europe to Chiang Mai (via BKK airport) on the same ticket, hoping that the separate immigration at the transfer desk (connecting international terminal to the domestic terminal for checked through passengers on the same alliance flights) won’t give me as hard of a time as IO at DMK did. I could get a tourist visa instead of entering on visa exemption (but some said it does not make a difference whatsoever, as consulates don’t have access to immigration data, and thus immigration can reject one just the same, irrespectively of having a TR visa or not).

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2) Flying from Europe to Chiang Mai (via Singapore or Kuala Lumpur) and then on a separate ticket to / and with entering Thailand first in Chiang Mai – hoping that the rumors are true and the immigration at Chiang Mai would be making less problems than the folks at Bangkok airports.

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3) Flying to Laos and then making my way back into Thailand using a land border. I have heard that the Chiang Khong / Huay Xai land border is particularly easy to do. But that raises the question of how to practically get there from Vientiane. Is the Nong Khai border crossing / friendship bridge comparatively easy (it would be much more accessible from Vientiane).

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4) Flying into Kuala Lumpur and then crossing the land border into Thailand in the south, and then taking a domestic flight from Hat Yai to Chiang Mai. Maybe the most cumbersome way. How does the Malaysian/Thai land border compare to the Laos/Thai borders in terms of trouble factor?

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Any advise on / preference between those options are much appreciated.

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And as s bonus question: If I were to choose to fly into Thailand by options 1 or 2 … if being denied entry, could they really send me home all the way to Europe (on kind of an expensive “deportation” flight? Or would I be free to make my own arrangements and then just head off from the international arrivals are to one of the SEA neighboring countries instead on a ticket I would then book on the spot?

Thank you.
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The user is seeking advice on the best way to re-enter Thailand after facing immigration issues at the DMK airport due to previous overstay and having been shaken down for money. They are considering various travel options including direct flights to Chiang Mai, connections via Singapore or Kuala Lumpur, and land border crossings from Laos or Malaysia. The community offers mixed advice, suggesting direct entry to Chiang Mai to avoid problems at Bangkok airports, emphasizing the importance of having the appropriate visa, and sharing personal experiences regarding immigration procedures and potential risks.
Paul *******
3 or 4 should be OK. I'd choose flying into Laos (or even Cambodia).

Travel within Laos is very easy now. There's a fast train from Vientiane to the Chinese border. From Na Teuy station, it's around 200km to Chiang Khong by road, but there's no need to go that way.

You're better off re-entering Thailand at Nakorn Phanom or Mukdahan. Or even Tha Li, 200km to the west of Vientiane. Then again, even Nong Khai should be OK.

For Cambodia, any border BUT Poipet/Aranyaprathet is fine. Try Chong Sa-ngam, the border officials are particularly friendly there, though it's remote.

Flying in to Phuket or Chiang Mai is an option too. You can even fly directly to Chiang Mai from Luang Prabang!
Mitchell *******
Did you stay at the same place every time? Did you do hotels? Did your TM30 get filed if you stayed at a house? And how much was the shake down for? You are technically supposed to have a certain amount of cash on you, or you can be denied entry.
Sven *******
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@Mitchell ******
I always followed their administrative procedures ... including filing TM30ies and what not. Shakedown was 3000 baht. They did not even bother to ask me about any of the supposedly 3 proofs (cash, hotel booking, return flight). It was pay or go home.
Mitchell *******
I do a lot of 1 way flights. I bet that doesn't help. 😅
Mitchell *******
Flights all the time. I went to Cambodia in November. Leaving BKK, they asked me if I had a departure flight from Cambodia. Departing Cambodia, they asked if I had a departing flight from Thailand. They seem to be ramping up this part for sure.
Jo **********
@Sven ******
they will never ask those things
Mitchell *******
@Jo *********
I have been asked to produce cash 3 times
Jo **********
@Mitchell ******
strange i have entered about 90 times over the course the last 12 years never been asked for money or flights.
Jo **********
it’s strange i had the same like you. 5 or 6 covid extensions. This year I have come in 7 times visa exempt never even a single question. so this confuses me! I wonder how much you stayed here? you say you went back in summer to Europe. I am wondering if there is more to your staying history
Jo **********
shaken down for money a bribe? what did you pay them
Phil ********
@Sven ******
You said twice in your original post you were shaken down.

Were you allowed in and did you pay any bribe? If so, how much?

Please explain.

Thank you
Sven *******
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@Phil *******
3000 baht in cash put in between my passport pages - or go home. I paid and got in. Did not feel good at all, though.
Ivan ************
@Ph**
I guessed he meant he was asked to show 20,000, that's the rule, infrequent they ask but they do if they want to deny someone.
Jo **********
@Ivan ***********
i thought that also, but that’s almost never asked, it sounds like he was asked for coffee money as he said he was shaken down for money
Chris ***********
I was in Phuket on Tourist visa from mid December 2019 then Covid started, Australian boarders closed. I was getting Covid extentions for until mid 2022. During this period I had overstayed a few time because extention dates due fell on public holidays and I did not check about this earlier, I should have but didn't, my fault.

I was also not aware Covid extentions had finished when I went to immigration October 4.

Oh my god, shit then got very real. Immigration told me to get the airport as quickly as possible and said, 'if I get stopped or in any trouble in between the immigration office and going to the airport I will be going to jail.

I had to get back to my room, get organised and book flights which now by this time had me on overstay again.

Before paying overstay and recieving an exit stamp, I asked the immigration officer,' is it ok that I come back after a boarder run to Malaysia and back ? I need to know because all my clothes and life belongings I have accumilated of many years are still in my here in my room .

Officer looked through my passport and with a big smile said yes you can no problem, you will be granted 45 day stamp and can make a visa of your choice next time.

Ohhhhh man , things went pear shaped on re entry, Immigration locked me in a holding cell freezing cold for 24 hours, I had no cash money for food and was starving. Air Asian heard about my story and camr to give me food, Air Asia also booked and paid my ticket back to Malaysia.

They did not have to do that.

Now that is special, what a great compassionate airline, they real did take great care as much as possible. I was very greatful and thankful, amaizing.

Immigration said I could on come back with a visa , but NOT A TOURIST VISA or DONT COME BACK IF YOU DONT MAKE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF VISA.

I arrived back in my home town destitute, worn out, only wearing t-shirt ,jeans and flipflops, and the keys to my room in Phuket

Temperature 3 deg , I was in shock. My scooter still parked at Phuket airport.

All my belongings are still stay safe/secure...my room is not expensive and the appartment boss trusts and knows I will pay for my room. Too many things, Big TV , computer , playstation VR, gas bottle cooking equipment, many things , everything for my life, including a Big bike being serviced and now ready.

Its almost time, I can go back soon , I dont want a visa , I just want my clothes and belongings.

So you can understand, everything is a bit difficult for me at the moment.

Basic

I would not try and go back without a visa , tourist vias not acceptable, and dont go back within 4 months , just do what immigration have told you and strongly advise you dont try some bullshit at a different boarder crossing.....ok

I am in probably the wort position than most people regaurding stories like this.

So just suck it up and do what immigration have recommended you to do. I advise you again, do not to play boarder crossing games wih Thai immigration , especially now, they are tight and good on them , have some respect or you will likely end up in jail. Happy new year.
Jo **********
fly from Singapore directly to Chiang Mai. I always go through there never had a problem despite having 6 covid extensions
Paul *******
I had more problems at Chaing Mai airport than Bangkok with immigration.( nearly sent home)

I think it depends on the officer not the location.

I have been using a tourist visa issued my own country no problems so far🤞🏿

Best of luck.
Paul *******
True to a large extent. I maintain that land borders are invariably better than airports but its best not to do a border bounce if you don't have the best immigration history.
Billy *******
Maybe they figure there's enough foreigners here? So many Russians looking to stay long term? My guess.
Sven *******
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@Billy ******
And they figure correctly. I so enjoyed Thailand during the better part of the COVID years. Thailand like it must have been 50 years ago, without all that mass tourism that suddenly came back much quicker than expected.
Paul *******
@Sven ******
Not at all. Thailand during the main part of Covid (between late March 2020 and roughly early 2022, although things briefly improved between July 2020 and December 2020) was a paranoid, relatively unfriendly place for foreigners to be in. Everyone was hiding behind their masks, and for the first 3 months of the lockdown many businesses prevented foreigners from using their services, including long-distance buses, some larger restaurants and incredibly, even some banks! This occurred whether or not a foreigner was wearing a face mask. It was outright hysterical discrimination.

I've never felt more unwelcome or had a more uncomfortable feeling being in Thailand than during the more than 2 years of strict Covid restrictions. Things finally started to improve in 2022, particularly in the middle of the year when the mask mandate was removed.

Right now I specifically seek out tourist spots with lots of foreigners, which makes me feel more comfortable since foreign tourists, be they Indian, Arab, western, Russian or even Chinese, rarely wear masks.

I used to do the opposite years ago, to get a more "authentic" experience but now Pattaya is the place to go shopping, because I can walk through a mall and see only half the shoppers wearing masks. Everywhere else it's still 99%.
James *********
@Sven ******
50 years ago Bangkok was hoppin' and poppin'. The War in Vietnam even "extended" to Thailand. MANY US and Allied Forces on R&R, and active duty working on bases in Country. Minimum wage only 16 baht/day. Workers and University students held many protests and strikes. Yes, life different here back then, but not quiet in major cities 🙂
Bian ****
@Sven ******
Sorry but even during covid thailand hasn‘t been like 30 years ago (when i first came) the whole society changed, the country is overdeveloped,no tourists during covid didn’t do anything for getting that old feeling back,you‘re wrong
Paul *******
@Bian ***
Thailand was horrible during Covid. Fear, anti-foreigner rhetoric, hysteria and full blown paranoia made it a dreadful place to be stuck in, relative to most of our home countries.

Many of us foreigners stayed home and had groceries delivered so as to avoid wearing masks or just simply not having to feel the wrath of the local population who were told we're "dirty" and the cause of the spread of Covid. Like I also mentioned in my reply to Sven, some businesses barred us from using their services during the first few months of Covid so we didn't have much choice to stay home, what with the lockdowns, night time curfews and work from home schemes and all.

Things have greatly improved in recent months though and a semblance of normality has returned.

An absence of foreigners like Sven mentions actually made things worse, not better.

I agree that 20-30 years ago, things were so much simpler. Back then, Thailand felt like Laos today (although even Laos is changing...10 years ago it was a lot more relaxed).
Billy *******
@Paul ******
I'm in an area where 99% are still wearing these stupid masks. What the heck? Don't they know CONVID was a con?
Paul *******
@Billy ******
Evidently not. It's insane how even babies are still being masked. I see people wearing masks to the beach, while driving alone in their cars and even at home in some cases.

Neighboring countries aren't like this. In Cambodia, Laos and Malaysia, hardly anyone wears a mask outdoors and in Cambodia and Laos even indoor mask wearing is now rare. In Malaysia it's
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and steadily decreasing. Yet in Thailand it remains stubbornly high.

It's ironic how the first lot of Chinese tourists are walking around Bangkok malls mask-free, but Thais refuse to let go of them.

Some TV stations still have masked news readers and even the little person on screen gesticulating for hearing impaired viewers is masked!!
Sven *******
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@Bian ***
May be true. Have not been in Thailand myself, back then. And sure a society changes / progresses over time (albeit at times kind of at a slow pace here). It still felt much better without masses of tourists everywhere.
Kool *******
Do not for a minute think every immigration computer is not tied into embassies. They are now all linked together, as is every border crossing point. This major upgrade went into full operation about three years ago.
Sven *******
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@Kool ******
While I am aware of the immigration IT being quite state of the art now (with biometrics and such) - they actually allowed me to look at their screen on my recent entry - I believe it is still the case that consulates and immigration don't share a common system, due to them being part of different ministries. Which is cause of some problems, really. Else getting a visa might actually mean being granted entry.
Ivan ************
@Sv**
was it like this
Martin ********
@Sven ******
being granted a visa does not mean you will be granted entry
Sven *******
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@Martin *******
Exactly. And that is especially so and true in Thailand, because the consulate (where you get visa from) does not have the same information like the immigration police. So basically the consulate (part of the foreign ministry) only looks at your passport and stamps and then SELLS you a visa. While the immigration police (part of the interior ministry) checks all your actuall entry history and then denies entry. A prime exampel of the lack of processes in Thailand.
Marco ********
Tourist Visa from the home country is usually the best way. If you are worried to be sent all the way back, fly to a neighbour country first and enter from there. Onward ticket and money of course required. Maybe look into a non immigrant business visa by setting up a company.
Sven *******
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@Marco *******
I would love to set up a company, if only they would allow me to own / control one as a foreigner. Unfortunately, they only allow that for US citizens or in edge cases via the BOI.
Marco ********
@Sven ******
Iglu wanted around 30% of the revenue flow that time but you could use their office and services. of course they have a minimum turnaround you have to put through the service but you do not have to run ALL of your customers through it. In fact, you don't need any customers, just money and pay them to employ you with your own money.
Sven *******
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@Marco *******
On a second thought: They both seem to deduct 30% of the revenue billed through them. With a minimum revenue required of 1,500 / 2,500 USD / month, that sums up to the price (or even more) than the Elite visa would cost over time. A bit pricey. While the Elite would come with extra perks, having a work permit and Thai income on the other hand would enable for a Permanent Residency in Thailand after 3 years of employment.
Sven *******
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@Marco *******
Again. Thank you. An interesting approach. Why didn't I think of such a business model. I will talk to both companies. There is one thing I am curious about, though: How do they avoid the requirement of the 4:1 Thai / Foreign employee ratio? Or maybe (as they both claim they are in the tech / digital space), they are in fact registered as a BOI approved company. Will look into it further. From what I saw so far, Iglu may have shifted away from that business. But Shelter still seems to stick to it.
Marco ********
It basically worked like this: you bill your customers with your offshore company, iglu bills your offshore company and you work as an enployee with visa and workpermit for iglu. Of course they take their share...
Sven *******
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@Marco *******
Interesting. Great business idea to solve an actual problem and work around immigration. Will check them out more. Thanks.
Marco ********
@Sven ******
The company would only be for the visa... btw is iglu.net still active? And there was another similar company but I forgot the name.
Sven *******
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@Marco *******
If you (or anybody else here) can recall that other, similar company, it would be much appreciated.
Ivan ************
@Sv**
Shelter and Iglu are the ones I'm aware of. Iglu restructured their offering a few years ago and no longer market themselves as an umbrella company, Shelter still do though.

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Marco ********
@Sven ******
Might have been shelter.global. Not sure if they are still operational. I checked iglu out some years ago but I am married to a thai and want stay maximum 6 months so their service wasn't really of interest for me.
Paul *******
Pretty simple, really. Get the appropriate visa for the reason that you want to stay in the Kingdom. Or else, stay home.
Ruth *******
Jody Dayton Peace I don’t need to read his mind. He’s stated what he’s doing in his post, lol. He’s asking for advice to skirt the system. People doing this is why the system is so difficult for everyone else. I was also responding to his defense to Paul that this group was for visa advice, which was just absurd.

Soreness? You’ve got to be kidding? This group is full of soreness. Usually misogyny. I’m only stating a simple fact. He’s getting defensive with Paul about the fact that he’s simply asking for visa advice but he’s not. He’s asking for advice to do something illegal…That’s not the same. Btw, you’re now the one making this bigger.
Jo **********
@Paul ******
there is a thing called visa exempt and there is a reason for it
Paul *******
@Jo *********
Yes. Visa exempt followed by an extension is meant to allow tourists to holiday in Thailand. If you desire to stay in Thailand for a longer period then you are no longer a tourist and if you do not wish to fall foul of Immigration, then you need to obtain a visa appropriate to your reason for staying.
Ivan ************
He's a millennial and European
@Pa**
they are used to taking longer holidays, work life balance and all that good stuff
Jo **********
yes that’s a good point
Sven *******
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@Paul ******
While simple when an old man dates a young Thai, not so much for folks way below 50. Lucky you, I guess. 😉
Paul *******
@Sven ******
I do not understand you comment. Are you having a personal go at me?
Sven *******
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@Paul ******
No. We are all good. Just not a big fan of people who have it so very easy (old people) to get a long-term visa for Thailand to tell young people to get an appropriate visa or stay home (when there is no comparably easy visa for the latter group). If all you have to say in a visa advise group is to get an appropriate visa or go home, maybe not say anything. Just my 2 cents on that matter. Nothing personal.
Ruth *******
@Sven ******
But the visa advice is for getting appropriate visas for the reason for entry. You are trying to live in Thailand as a tourist.
Mike *******
Get a longer Term visa before you leave your country , much less hastle.
Sven *******
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@Mike ******
I tried. 1) They would not give me the LTR for the mere fact of how I receive my money from clients. 2) I am not overly excited on getting an ED visa (as it kind of comes with having to be stuck in one city in Thailand only, and hearsay has it the whole ED visa are on hold currently anyways). 3) Elite visa: bah. 4) Getting married: bah. 5) Working for Thai wages: bah. 5) Waiting until i am 50: 9 years to go.
Brook ********
@Sven ******
Tourist visa from home country
Sven *******
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@Brook *******
While easy to get, rumors have it, that it may be little help. A tourist visa does not guarantee entry. And if they deem one has been in Thailand for too long as a tourist, having a tourist visa or not (i.e. just entering on visa exemption) does not make any difference. Both can be rejected just the same.
Brook ********
@Sven ******
Then that would be true of any visa.

Get an Elite or go somewhere else.
Brandon ************
I'd really only consider 2 options so as not to make it too complicated.

1) fly directly to ChiangMai and avoid Bangkok. We haven't received any reports of anyone having issues entering there.

2) contact an agency that offers special VIP entry services at the bangkok airports. They'll ask you for recent history and the price will be based on that, but they'll have someone meet you when you exit your plane and they'll ensure you're able to enter smoothly.

I've never used the service so I can't speak to it personally, but I do know the owners of this page offer it
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Jo **********
@Brandon ***********
yes you are correct on CM I am excellent source of data I have entered 6 times through CM this year visa exempt never a single question
Sven *******
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@Brandon ***********
Never mind, found the agents information on this in the link you provided. Thanks. Although I did not find any pricing.
Jo **********
@Sven ******
for your situation it will be about 6900 baht
Sven *******
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@Jo *********
What would you come to this assessment and price? I have neither ever overstayed nor had any of the sketchy visa (like volunteer etc) - just a bunch of regular tourist visa and exemptions + extensions. I sure hope not. In that case I may just as well resort back to putting "only" 3000 baht in between my passport again.
Jo **********
@Sven ******
it’s just when I looked at it asks how many times you have come into Thailand in the last year and the price went way up.
Sven *******
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@Jo *********
I see. Have not really looked at it in detail, as on the first page, they directly ask to upload my passport. Though I would be tempted to know what follows on the next pages and in terms of pricing. Just doing my due dilligence first, before uploading my passport to them onto a google drive.
Brandon ************
@Sven ******
the pricing depends on your history. The more challenging the more expensive, so you'd need to talk to them to get the price
Sven *******
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I haven't considered using an agency for entry. Thanks. Would that also work for getting one through to a connecting flight (via the immigration at the transfer desk) - or only through main immigration? Any idea on their pricing?
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