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What are the best options for obtaining a retirement Non-O visa in Thailand if I plan to return after several months abroad?

Apr 26, 2025
a month ago
Sam ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Hi All,

Sorry if this has been covered before, did a search but couldn't find a definitive answer.

After 5 months in Chiang Mai (60 day exemption x2 + one 30 day extension) I'll be returning to the UK early May 2025, coming back to CM early December. While here I got my bike license & Thai bank account (Bangkok Bank). My intention on my return is to apply for a retirement Non O visa (I'm over 50) but not sure which route to take.

1/ Put 800K Bht into the bank account 60 days before I return and apply for the retirement visa on my return, or perhaps apply for the Non O visa in advance at the London Thai consulate.

2/ Use the services of an agent who for around 29-35K give or take (for the first year, 16K approx there after) will supply the visa using their money so I do not have such a large amount earning almost nothing in a Thai bank account (0.6% interest rate).

The second option allows me to keep my money in a safe high interest UK bank account (at present earning 4.45%) which more than pays for the agents fees & is easily recoverable should anything happen to me while abroad. Also should there be a regime change or policy changes about foreigners & what we can or cannot do with money etc the money would be safe.

Do I play safe (option 2) or just bite the bullet & put 800K into the Thai bank?

Your opinions & suggestions will be much appreciated
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TLDR : Answer Summary
An expat in Thailand is planning to apply for a retirement Non-O visa upon returning after a trip to the UK. They consider two options: depositing 800,000 Baht in a Thai bank account to meet requirements or using an agent who can provide the funds needed for visa issuance. Community responses point out that option one is legal but restricts access to savings, while option two might come with risks and longer-term implications regarding visa renewals. Additionally, some suggest applying for the visa from abroad or considering a longer-term LTR visa as a viable alternative.
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Cliff *********
You are looking at this wrong.

The 800KB is an investment in your ability to live in Thailand long term.

It is also a cushion in case you fall on hard times.
Todd *********
@Cliff ********
He is looking at it the right way It's not a smart move financially no matter how you try to decorate the idea. The 800k is a waste of your precious time and money. But some people don't place much value on their time and lifestyle.
Ally ************
If you are considering using an agent because you want to avoid putting the required monies into a Thai bank account.. then you will be locked in to using them forever.. not only expensive but comes with the added risk of your visa being rescinded one day.. should the Thai govt ever decide to clean up the immigration practices that currently make this feasible.. not only that.. but if you ever move provinces and are faced with extending your visa at another immigration office.. then you won't be able to use the same agent who was smoothing the process for you.. and the deal with a new agent could be vastly different a few years down the road.. you are also assuming the initial agent is not going to increase his fees over time.. and if the 'friendly IO' gets greedy next year then that inflation will be passed on to you.. and should you decide you want to start handling the extensions yourself in the future.. the only way to do this will be to exit the country without a re-entry permit so as to invalidate your visa.. then begin the application process from scratch upon your return to Thailand.. ie. make a brand new application directly which isn't linked to the old visa paperwork.. whilst you opine that the cost of an agent is offset by interest on your, savings.. this assumes interest rates continue at the same level and that the agent fees don't escalate wildly.. neither of which are within your control.. and i believe there is minimal political risk in having monies on deposit with a Thai bank.. and anyway, after the first year when you come to extending the visa.. you can switch to the income method instead of using the capital method.. and the money can be withdrawn from the bank.. so it can be considered a temporary requirement in that respect.. and if you get the initial non-o visa in your home country before coming to Thailand.. then you won't need to have the money in a Thai bank until you come to renew it in-country so to speak.. so you get 12-months grace.. and can defer any agents' fees for a year!
Todd *********
@Ally ***********
not true at all, but why wouldn't you want to be locked to them?
THAI ******************************
@Ally ***********
We provide service in every province of Thailand, meaning you can continue using the same agent even if you move. If a client chooses to apply on their own, we assist them with obtaining a TM30 in the relevant province to support their application.

Our yearly extension fee has also been reduced over the past two years and is now just ฿14,000 per year.

We’re sorry if you previously used an agency that was unable to offer you proper assistance. A trustworthy agency will never mislead you into thinking you cannot apply on your own; they will guide and support you throughout the process.
Ally ************
@THAI *****************************
I believe agents have a valid role to play in helping foreigners with their visa needs.. that is provided their assistance is on a legitimate basis.. meaning they are not making fraudulent statements to obtain visas for applicants that would not otherwise qualify.. your agency looks very respectable to me.. however there are many unscrupulous agents out there that will happily bribe immigration officials to turn a blind eye to irregularities.. or to simply overlook a deficiency that would normally get an application rejected.. they are the 'bad apple' that tarnishes your industry.. an agent that earns their money by helping a client to present the truth is a bone-fide business in my book.. those that are willing to help clients by creating fraudulent documents to present to immigration are effectively breaking the law.. and are encouraging the foreigner applicant to do so.. which puts their right to stay in Thailand at risk.. if an investigation ensues and a foreigner is found to have obtained their visa illegally then their visa will be cancelled and they could be fined.. or worse, they could be deported and may be banned from re-entering the country.. saying i didn't know the agent 'did this' or 'did that' is not going to be an acceptable defence.. these agents know the risks they are taking to earn their living.. whereas many applicants do not.. they should be weighing up the cost of their time and energy and the opportunity cost of depositing funds here.. against the cost of having their dream taken away from them.. but very few appear to factor this in!
Todd *********
@Ally ***********
luckily you are not an immigration officer. But your naive viewpoints on how the world works is amusing
Daniel ******
LTR visa for 10 years is the best! You only need 80 K yearly income!
Andrew ********
Use an agent my friend. Simple and hassle free. Keep your wedge in your high interest account at home. No probs with good reputable agents. Make sure you have a trusted UK address for obvious financial reasons. Good luck.
Robert ********
Get the visa when you’re home. You don’t need an agent. It’s is simple and straight forward.

Only if you have too much money and don’t want to wait in line
Sam ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Correct me if I'm wrong, the monthly payment option must be from a certified pension fund such as HMRC (UK state pension) or a UK certified pension scheme, the payment cannot be made from some individual's bank account. The problem is that if the state pension pays monthly into a non UK bank account this pension looses it's triple lock status, which means in the UK it will not increase with inflation (there are some countries that are exempt, but not Thailand)
Pete *******
@Sam *****
your residency determines entitlement to State pension increases not the payment method.
Steve *******
@Sam *****
Nope, can be from any source as long as it's transferred from abroad
Sam ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Steve ******
I take it a monthly transfer from a wise account is sufficient
Steve *******
@Sam *****
As long as you can prove to Immigration that the transfer arrived from abroad
Todd *********
Given that choice, the agent seems the easy move. Leaving 800k doing nothing here doesn’t make financial sense and given the decades it has been done, and the plethora of agencies out there, it doesn’t seem to carry much ‘risk’. If the rules change, then just adapt as it occurs.

The 65k monthly method does make sense if you can swing that.

And you can get precise pricing from
@THAI *****************************
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เดแคลน ***********
Option 2 but don't use an agent get a non-oa instead that way your money is still in the UK and you're completely legal and then meet the 65k a month every month transfer requirements for extensions.
Stuart ***********
Seems like you know the answer already, but the legal option is obviously the answer.

You could do it legally and transfer 65,000 baht each month in addition, so that the second year you can withdraw your money and put it back into your savings account in the UK.
Sam ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Stuart **********
So are you saying paying in 65k every month for a year will give the same entitlement as 800k paid two months before applying for the visa.

And money paid in using the 12 month method can be spent or moved to other accounts?
Stuart ***********
@Sam *****
for the first year you must deposit 800,000.

If you have 12 times 65k monthly deposits the second time you extend, you can show evidence of the 65k per month to extend the second time.
Tony **********
Just apply abroad and deposit once you return
John **********
The problem with using an agent to provide the funds is that you will never meet the terms of the Non-O visa requirements which can have knock on effects, best to put the money in the bank. If you really want to avoid that then get the Non-OA visa but that does require insurance, police check etc
Pete *******
Option 1 is legal

Option 2 is fraudulent

Up to you.
Todd *********
Sam ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Todd ********
'wrong' could you explain?
Todd *********
@Sam *****
there is nothing ‘fraudulent’ about it
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