Is it better to apply for a retirement visa in Thailand or from the UK, and how should I manage my funds?

Jun 24, 2024
5 months ago
Steven *********
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Good afternoon all, having been coming to Thailand for over 6 years I am looking to make it more permanent... And after looking at the options I am thinking the retirement visa would be best.

I have a Thai bank account already and a place in rent for a year (if a TM30) was needed).

But I have had constant mixed messages about some things ...

From various comments in the group..would I be correct in thinking

1. I would be better applying from my home in the UK? Vs coming to Thailand and using an agent.

2. leave the funds (800k) in my UK bank account / not my BKK account?

If I do it online in the UK it only shows a single entry (not multiple entry) is this because it's only a 90 days non O issued to start and I have to get something changed when in Thailand?.

Sorry if this question has been asked 100 times already...

Any helpful tips is greatly appreciated šŸ™šŸ»
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The user is considering applying for a Thai retirement visa after frequent visits to Thailand and has questions about the best application location (UK vs. Thailand) and fund management (keeping 800,000 THB in the UK bank account or transferring it to Thailand). Responses from the community suggest applying in the UK can ease bank account processes. They explain the differences between OA and O visas, with OA allowing a longer stay and no immediate need for funds in Thailand. Guidance on bank transfer methods for the required funds is provided, emphasizing a SWIFT transfer over Wise to avoid complications. Lastly, the importance of proper documentation and awareness of tax regulations is noted.
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Warren *******
Iā€™m about at your pace here. Iā€™m going to keep 800 in bank and apply while there after I get a 30 day extension on the first 30 days . Iā€™m dealing with a country immigration office.
Kool *******
@Steven ********
just a few things to be aware of. The bt800,000 in your Thai bank account must show as coming from overseas, from outside of Thailand. This is the easiest visa extension to get. It is not complicated at all. Just take two letters from your Thai bank to immigration. One stating that it is your bank account in your name only. The other is a deposit summary showing the bt800,000 in your account. Take these to immigration, they are only good for seven days, and immigration will either issue the 90 day initial stamp, or send you for a few other documents that you should be able to get before the seven days runs out, but most issue you the 90 day stamp, letting you get whatever else is needed for when you apply for the one year extension. It is actually quite easy to do after you have your bank account. For the one year extension, and the extension the following years, your account only needs to be brought back up to bt800,000 two months before you apply, and must stay at that amount for at least three months after you get your one year stamp. Lots will try to say Wise is the best way to transfer that first bt800,000, but for that amount, and to never have any problems of it being questioned, a SWIFT transfer is best, and is never questioned by the government, especially if you want to transfer it out of the country, if you change your mind down the road. Also, if you are under the legal retirement age in your home country, but on a retirement visa extension here because you are over 50, expect in future years to be required to show that the money you are using to live on in Thailand has had the legal tax paid on that money. This went into effect January 1st of this year, but it hasn't been determined yet how it will be enforced for foreigners living here long term, but in the very few following years it will be. Just be aware of this change. Keep your tax filings records handy just in case. If you are over the legal age to receive your pension then no worries, as Thailand has good dual tax treaties with the UK. Also immigration at Koh Samui can be temperamental at times, coming up with ways to make a few extra baht. Take your TM30 with you, copies of your passport, and your lease agreement, besides your bank letters, to be well prepared, and passport photo just in case. Or just go there first, and get their handout of their local requirements, as you've already got your Thai bank account, and that is the biggest hurdle in doing it all here.
Steven *********
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@Kool ******
thanks for that detailed response šŸ™šŸ»,

I am comfortable with the bank situation and will look at swift transfer as I was planning to do a wise transfer over (but I see what you mean as hard to transfer out of Thailand with wise )

I've never used swift but I will check it out.

I'll go to BBK bank and ask for the letters required and try to have all the documentation ready.

Once I have the 90 day initial O visa can I apply right away for the 1 year extension? Or do I have to wait?

Again thanks for the tax info ...I am under retirement age and have an accountant at home in the UK , so I'll make sure all is up to date and I have my tax letters to show I am paying my bills in the UK .. and see what else they might ask for.
Kool *******
@Steven ********
most let you apply for the one year extension when you have less than 30 days on your 90 day stamp, but Koh Samui can be different, only doing it at less than a week. They are this way with tourist visa extensions, and might be in your case, but just ask them when you get your initial 90 day stamp. The bt800,000 has to be in your account for at least two months before you can apply for the one year extension, so get it transfered right away. You can apply for the initial 90 day stamp as soon as you have the money in there though. Check with your UK bank for their SWIFT transfer requirements. Bangkok Bank's SWIFT code is on their website, or you can just ask them.
Steven *********
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@Kool ******
thanks this information has been brilliant
Kool *******
@Steven ********
enjoy Thailand. It's a great place to live.
Jo **********
get LTR visa
Bhavin **********
@Jo *********
regardless of the visa type (OA or O) you choose, it is wise to have proper insurance during your stay .
Jo **********
@Bhavin *********
Yes I know and I do.
Steven *********
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@Jo *********
is this not even more complicated?
Jo **********
@Steven ********
well more paperwork at first then your free for 5 years no 90 day reporting, no money to keep in the bank
Brandon ************
The reason people get told to apply for the visa in their home country is because having the visa makes opening a bank account easier. Since you already have a bank account, that's not as much of an issue for you.

So you need to decide if you want to keep your money at home (OA visa) or if it's okay to keep it in Thailand (O visa).

The OA visa is a 1 year multiple entry visa that requires you to have insurance. You'll be stamped in for a year (or until the end of your insurance) each time you enter Thailand until the visa expires. So if you buy a new insurance policy and leave and re-enter right before the visa we expires you can get about 2 years. Then you would go home and apply for a new OA visa. This would mean you never have to keep the money in Thailand but you always have to have the insurance.

With a O visa you'd get 90 days and then apply for the 1-year extension by showing the 800,000 baht in your bank account every year. No insurance is required.
Steven *********
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@Brandon ***********
thanks very much for this reply ..it helps make sense of some other scraps of info I've been given..

I am ok with leaving the money in the Thai account and making sure it's up to 800k 3 months before renewal. (And don't drop it below 400k I think this is correct)

With the O visa , is this still a multiple entry visa? As I still pop overseas for some work every month or two?

Finally, Would I just go to immigration on Samui if I wanted to apply for the O visa?

Thanks again
Brandon ************
@Steven ********
the O visa is not multiple entry. If you apply for the visa before you travel to Thailand, it's single entry. If you apply for it in Thailand it's 0 entry. The extensions are 0 entry as well.

If you want to leave you would have to apply for a re-entry permit before leaving. This keeps your stamp alive while you're outside of the country, but does not give any extra time. When you return you'll receive a stamp with the same end date as the one that was in your passport when you left. Without a re-entry permit your entry stamp or extension becomes invalid as soon as you leave Thailand.

Single re-entry permits are 1000 baht or a multiple re-entry permit is 3800 baht. The permit is only valid as long as the stamp it is purchased for.
Steven *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Brandon ***********
so if I get an O , I would then pay for a multiple re-entry permit (3800 Baht) that would last the same length of time as my O visa ...and I would need to look to get it stamped or revalidated every time before I left Thailand? So it remained valid upon my return ?

Sorry for all the questions , I am just trying to finally get this all clear in my head and I really appreciate the help.
Brandon ************
@Steven ********
once you have a re-entry permit you don't do anything other than leave like normal.

But you wouldn't want to buy a multiple re-entry permit for the visa. The visa is only valid for 90 days. Unless you're going to leave and return 4 times in those 90 days it would be a waste of money. You might buy the multiple re-entry permit for the 1-year extension but not for the visa.

A visa and an extension are not the same.
Steven *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Brandon ***********
I was thinking about the re-entry permit, I would have got this once I did the 1year extension to the 90 days O visa , this would then allow me to come and go when I needed to for the full term of my yearly retirement visa?

So get a 90 day O visa...then get it extended to a year O visa...

Then get multiple re-entry permit.

This would allow me to come and go when required?
Brandon ************
Steven *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Brandon ***********
ok brilliant.. I've been trying to get my head around this for a while now and I honestly felt like i was going around in circles and even ready to pay an agent (65k she wanted on Samui) or Thai elite visa to just get this down and out the way. I was given so much conflicting information it left me absolutely lost.

I appreciate all the information above.
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