Hi everyone, looking for some constructive advice pleaseđđ». I have been teaching Korean martial arts and yoga for over 20 years in Europe, mainly Spain. Currently I am studying Thai and have the education visa so itâs not immediate, just trying to see if there is a way that I can teach martial arts in Thailand. I donât want and itâs impossible for me to create a business with employees. Itâs just little old me wanting to give some classes each week. A work contract is looking increasingly more difficult. If anybody has any ideas I would be very grateful to hear them.
Many thanks in advance and hope everyone has a good day.
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The post discusses the challenges faced by a foreigner on an education visa who wants to teach martial arts in Thailand. Responses highlight the difficulty in obtaining a work permit, as employers must justify hiring a foreigner over a Thai national, and the legal risks involved in teaching without proper certification. Suggestions include exploring private classes, partnering with existing gyms, or creating specialized self-defense programs. There's also discussion about the popularity of various martial arts in Thailand and advice on networking within the martial arts community.
There are a lot of martial arts clubâs advertising now Gary. Many different styles and objectives. Maybe one of these would be interested in adding you to their list of instructors. I know one very successful British BJJ instructor whose been teaching here successfully for about 10 years. From your profile it looks like you can offer more than TKD. Youâre also learning Thai which is very advantageous. Start networking among the martial arts community.
Many thanks Allan, I truly appreciate your answer. I need to look more into schools as I would need a work visa and from what I see this will be very difficult and a lot of stress for the school. As you can imagine with quite a few years of studying and training there are so many things that I can cover. I donât mean that to sound big headed. If the instructor you know has any ideas please do not hesitate to reach out. I can offer you a beer đ. Anyway thanks again and hope you are having a good day
there are options here, but the biggest obstacle is the bt2million in registered capital anyone that hires you must have in their business, and the wages they must pay. If you have a specialized military, or police, training, or teaching history, you have a better chance in the body guards industry here. The other avenue you might try, is putting together a basic self-defense 4-6 week program for women, and present it to the larger exercise gyms. There is also the possibility of the same self-defense classes, but for older children and adolescents, but you need to have the whole classes, and agendas written out, with appropriate handouts, and even a simple advertising package. If you have a turnkey proposal that they don't have to do anything to put it in place, you've got an opportunity, even with the department of education, as a beneficial short program for schools around the country. You have to remember you have professional competition, with some of the best from all over the world. You have to put together something the rest aren't doing, and meet a need that isn't being provided. If you don't have the money to start your own business, then I gave a few examples you might have a chance with. All the tourists coming to Thailand want to study Muay Thai. That is why you have to plan outside that box.
many many thanks for all of this information. I did not know that a business needed to have the 2 million baht. To be honest I teach traditional Korean martial arts which goes from hyungs (forms), empty hand techniques all the way through to even archery on horseback so a real wide array of techniques and weapons. In Spain we did do alot of womens self defense seminars. Currently I have 2 associations that want me to teach using their nam, one of them is the Spanish federation for womenâs self defense. With regards to the department of education I have no idea how to go about that but that is a great idea. I truly appreciate all of the information that you have given me. Many thanks again đđ»
not sure if my advice is any good. I suggest you contact this guy and check if he's got some job opportunities for you. Sorry pal but that's all I got for you today. . . . . Longstay in Thailand for those under the age of 50 ain't easy . . . . . . .
indeed. I lived in the UAE and it was massively popular there to. They brought Brazilian instructors over! Success in UFC and itâs growth in various films like John Wick etc have a big impact.
Listen, you are in the land of the deadliest stand up game. I wouldn't say that TKD is obsolete but it is dying. You can always open up a yoga studio if you want. That is more likely.
well I teach traditional hapkido and with martial arts is not a case of one is dying and the other is nearly obsolete. I have the utmost respect for Muay Thai but these are completely different things. Itâs like a car and a motorbike, depending on the person depends on what suits them best, as long as they achieve their personal goals that is the main thing. Previously I had students over 70 years of age and they were happy that they could still train. No disrespect to Muay Thai but how many students still train over the age of 70. I send this message with the utmost respect.đđ»
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I truly donât have the knowledge about Muay Thai to make large comparisons. I was just trying to make a point without going into crazy amounts of details. But for the older generation itâs like you said about health and fitness.
at the gym I used there were several people, male and female, well over 60 who trained Muay Thai. Not to enter competitions but for health and fitness. Exercises, bag and pad work etc. Great way to keep fit and stay sharp!
MT paired with something isn't where new Elite Stadium Champs come from. Name me one MT Mix Gym with a Thai Elite Circuit fighter.
Can not see a single one in the Stadium Rankings.
Lots of MT too? Pls compare the amount of gyms nationwide to Golden Area. You will see a steady decline.
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Darren **********
If you have a student visa you run the risk of losing your visa. Without the proper working visa you cannot even volunteer or work for free.
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In short the answer is No unfortunately you can join a dojo and train and maybe help đ
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I think there has been some TKD clubs here in the past, there certainly was one in Nathon; not sure if itâs still there. It maybe worth a look to see what the set up is like.
You could start your own dojo, but it wouldnât be worth the time, effort, paperwork or money.
Iâm not sure how popular it is here.
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I know what you mean about beginners but we all started somewhere with our white belts that became very dirty over time and eventually some were so dirty they became black đđ
Yep, youâre rightâŠand itâs great when you take a beginner all the way through to a Black Belt; the frustration is seeing some one with promise that gives upâŠand there was too much of that going on! đ
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In Spain it was a lot easier as you would pay about 200⏠per month to be autonomous (self employed). The thing I didnât like was having to pay the accountant every trimester to do the booksđ„Č but at least there was the chance of being self employed
Yes, itâs great when itâs working. I taught in UK professionally for about 4 years. It was enjoyable, but I didnât fancy doing it for any length of time. It can be quite monotonous and teaching the endless beginners courses got to be a chore. Still, a great experience.
thankyou for your reply. I did visit a TKD school a few months ago this ago. Enormous place but I didnât see any students and the prices were very expensive
I donât need alot of return, just want to keep my head above water. Now itâs more the way and quality of life as opposed to trying to get rich. Maybe a joint venture đđ
The trouble is, by the time you rent premises, pay accountants, tax, work permits etcâŠyouâll find that you may be forking out money rather than gaining any.
It was bad enough teaching in UK!đ
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" if there is a way that I can teach martial arts in Thailand" - probably not legally. You may be able to find some place that will hire you to teach and they may provided you the proper work permit and visa, but I speculate there are not many places, if any.
You can offer private classes but you run a risk of getting caught.
I am not saying don't do, just that there are risks involved.
1) As a westerner you must make a minimum salary between 50,000-60,000 baht per month depending on which country you are from. This salary usually means you'd have to be working full time in order to make it worthwhile for the employer. (There are exceptions for teachers working for the government, but they make the rules so they can make exceptions).
2) If it's something a Thai could do, a Thai will be hired to do it. In order to get a work permit for a foreigner, the employer must provide a reason they cannot hire a Thai for the position. Also an equivalent Thai person would be making about 50% of the salary.
Therefore you would need to be twice as good as a Thai employee to justify the salary for the business, and they would have to have at least 4 full time Thai employees before they could even qualify for a foreigner work permit. Then they would need to go through the trouble and paperwork involved in applying for a work permit for a foreigner.
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There are not many options for to stay long-term in Thailand for those under 50. Most get a job teaching English, but that requires a bachelor's degree. Without that your options are to find some other job (difficult for the reasons stated above) or enroll at university seeking a degree (you can stay as long as your studies last with 1-year extensions unlike a language school visa).
so many frustrations and so many questions. Any person could do what I want to do , they just need to train for about 15 yearsđ. Also wanted to give back to the community by offering free classes to disadvantage kids as this was something that gave me the chance when I was younger.