Do I need a university degree to teach English in Thailand?

May 9, 2019
6 years ago
Jai ********
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Hey, y'all. I'm thoroughly confused by what I'm learning about becoming a teacher in Thailand. I need help sorting this. I want to make sure that everything I do is legal. I just found this group, otherwise I would have relied on y'all more than the "teacher" groups I'd found so far.

I'm getting conflicting information about needing to have a university degree to teach in Thailand. I had been hearing that it wasn't required. But, then I joined the teacher groups and they say it Is required and that immigration is really cracking down on teachers without degrees.

The embassy website does not say that a university degree is required. It says that degree/diplomas/certificates are required. I'll have my TEFL certificate just not a university degree. The embassy website also says at the bottom that this is subject to change without notice - the standard disclaimer that we see everywhere.

The teacher groups say that the embassy website is inaccurate and we can't trust anything posted there.

I'm not stuck on the idea of teaching but that seems the easiest route if it does not, in fact, require a degree to be legal. I truly just want a legal job that will pay me a living wage and will possibly help with visa application paperwork.

I hope this makes sense and that y'all can give me some valid advice. Thank you for reading this far! 🙏
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The requirements for teaching in Thailand can be confusing, particularly regarding the necessity of a university degree. Currently, many teaching jobs do require a degree, especially for legal work permits. However, there are exceptions where native English speakers may find positions without a degree, but these often come with lower pay and may not guarantee visa approval. The Department of Labour has become stricter, demanding documentation and requiring a pre-approval letter before issuing a work visa. The embassy website mentions that degrees or certifications are required but may leave room for interpretation. Many in the teaching community emphasize the importance of ensuring that job offers are legitimate and legally compliant, suggesting that those without a degree might face increasing challenges as regulations tighten. Additionally, some commentators recommend exploring other job opportunities, such as those in the tourism sector, rather than teaching as a primary goal.
Yoana ******************
I don't want to be negative Nancy here, but as a devoted teacher it annoys me a bit that you are considering teaching just to have a legal way of working in Thailand. That means you most probably will not be motivated 100% to be a positive and dedicated role model for your future students. In my opinion, teachers should be teaching if it is their passion, if they truly want to change children's future for the better. Perhaps there are other ways for you to work in Thailand? Have you considered the tourism industry?
Yoana ******************
That is the thing Garrett. If you choose a degree in let's say architecture or business, stopping midway will mostly affect yourself. Perhaps the company working for, will struggle a bit finding someone else. But you are always replaceable. Teachers however, massively affect children by disappearing. I work at an International school and see it all the time. Children are left behind, find it difficult to build up a bond with their new teachers over and over again, kids with learning disabilities have to start all over again, etc. It's a negative outcome for the children and that is why I generally dislike it when someone's motivation to teach comes from an egocentric point of view. Of course OP can fall in love with teaching and happily do it for years to come. I truly hope that is the case.
Roman **********
Garrett Greenwald as you said. That happens in every field. So it doesn't speak against getting a proper teaching degree If you plan to shape the future lives of kids.
Roman **********
Garrett Greenwald in a proper B.Ed. you will be sent to school quite early to find out if you fit for it. I had to go teach science in an highschool at my first semester.
Roman **********
Garrett Greenwald by studying teaching.
Yoana ******************
I truly hope she finds it amazing and will put her future students' needs above all, but I've met plenty of people who did a TEFL just to be able to live abroad. It rarely benefits the kids as most of those teachers are making minimum effort and disappear after a couple of months to start somewhere else. Perhaps OP will make a difference :-)
Whitey ******
It's a lot more difficult now that's for sure if u have no degree. I'd say Ina few years it will be almost impossible
John ********
Want to teach at the vocational college or university level?Disregard all of the above.
Federico **********
Its a bit more complex than that... i can see how it can be confusing.

The office that really enforces the whole u gotta have a degree is the Department of Labour which is the office that issues the work permit.

Years ago u would get the initial 90 day Non B w an invitation letter from the school

The idea is u come into the country w that, and u have 90 days to process ur work permit.

With that in hand u go to immigration and extend (push the deadline) of ur 90 days to a whole year (they push the date back 9 months)

Then they realized that many were coming in w that 90 day Non B and later unable to get a work permit since the Labour Department has a long list of requirements, mostly to do w the school/business itself but some to do w yourself. Unable to get the work permit u couldnt extend and would have to leave at the end of those 90 days

So what they do now (which honestly is smarter) is require a pre-approval letter from the DOL (dept labor) before u even get the first Non B

There r lots of dodgy degrees out there, schools that will hire u on a tourist visa, etc so u gotta read carefully if u say u wanna do it all by the book

Another option would be a private school like those teaching after school, by the hour etc... but unlikely if they dont know u and not sure it would differ much paperwork wise.

If its a government school then u also gotta deal w the teachers council (kurusapa) which requires u have a teacher permit. The first 2 years they give u a free pass which is reneable to another 2... for 4 years no biggie there.

I also agree w Steven that 30 or 40k wont buy u a life of traveling and enjoyment. U will pay the bills and not much else.

Time will pass by and u r pretty much going nowhere career wise.

Yes... u r learning language, culture bla bla.... i know.

But if u r focused on building a career it will be like wasted years since nobody will recognize that as relevant and real work experience.

U can checkout ajarn dot com which has testimonies of hundreds of teachers, what they earn, what kinda life they live... as well as classified jobs etc

Maybe ask a few schools there about the degree.

If a school says "its ok" its prolly cuz they already have people w no degrees working. Maybe they know someone or pay someone... etc

It won't be 100% clean.... but it would for u, as in ull have your visa and work permit.

Good luck!
Steven ***************
@Jai *******
. To give you an example on the education here. A masters degree obtained in thailand is rated the equivalent of a Bachelors degree in most Western countries. And in some cases a Bachelors is seen as the equivalent of finishing high school. So having a few years experience as a teacher in a low grade job in thailand means nothing on a resume in the future. A top International school or University here is a different matter.
Jai ********
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@Federico *********
Oh. Well, that's very sad that Thailand is considered at the bottom of the educational world. Thank you for your advice.
Federico **********
Jai Cutler because Thailand isnt see internationally as a serious country (education wise).

The education level is among the lowest on the planet and that speaks of its education system, schools, teachers, etc etc

Yes... it will be experience taken into account to find another job in Thailand, or Laos, or south east Asia. But anywhere else it wont count basically.

Top schools will always ask for a teaching university degree.

A TEFL will open the doors of schools in south east asia, some in China, maybe africa not sure... but nowherere in the western world.

So if u r planning on building a "teaching career" (that one day u might wanna continue in europe for eg) or that one day ull get tired of being in the bottom of the salary scale... then i wouldnt get into teaching but into studying. Or both (as there r degrees online/ remote etc nowadays).

And please dont take it wrong. Its all friendly advise since i have friends who taught here for years and then it serves them nothing when going back to the western world... or when wanting to move up to better schools.
Jai ********
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I'm confused. Why do you say: But if u r focused on building a career it will be like wasted years since nobody will recognize that as relevant and real work experience.

I don't understand. If I'm teaching with an internationally recognized TEFL certificate why would it not be recognized as real work experience?
Steven ***************
You can get English language teaching jobs without a degree if youre a native speaker, but the pay is very low in comparison. Ultimately its up to wether the school that hires you can get you approval for a work visa and work permit. Theres a lot of dodgy dealings going on here by " schools " so be careful who you accept a job offer and make sure its all legit before starting work.
Steven ***************
@Jai *******
. If thats your plan, to get a real salary here you'd want a teaching degree.
Maxim ***********
40k baht is well enough to live here.
Steven ***************
@Shelby ******************
. Some schools offer English language teaching jobs if you hold a degree in any remotely related field and are a natuve english speaker. Salary is still low. The only schools that pay anywhere near to Western salaries are the top private schools.
Jai ********
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@Steven **************
I will have some savings to assist, yes. But, that will also be put towards finishing my degree. I don't have much further to go and then I can ask for higher pay and truly start to explore the country.
Steven ***************
Understood. But whats the point of living in a new country if you cant afford to enjoy it and truly experience what it has to offer. Just my personal opinion.

Another option if you dont mind the salary here is to arrive with a healthy bank balance to make up the difference in earnings.
Shelby *******************
What would one earn with a master's degree but not a teaching degree?
Jai ********
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@Steven **************
Because I don't want to live in Australia. If money is what I was looking for then I would consider that for sure. But it isn't and for now I really want to be in Thailand.
Steven ***************
@Jai *******
. To be honest, why go through years of study to move to a country where the pay is shit.. go somewhere like Australia where theres a shortage of teachers and youll get paid double what youll earn in the US.
Jai ********
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@Steven **************
Unless I start over in my degree that particular ship has sailed. I may get my master's degree in a specific subject or in teaching but undergrad is very unlikely to happen.
Steven ***************
Top international schools do pay well over 100k a month but youd need a teaching degree and experience in the specific subject.
Jai ********
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Thanks, y'all. I wish I'd found this group earlier.
Brahim ******
@Jai *******
lowest price i heard a teacher without degree get was 25 000 baht a month. Most get between 30 and 40k after if you are having a degree they get like 45 to 60 in good schools. Overall its very small money
Steven ***************
Totally depends on your lifestyle.

Youd probably make no more than 40k baht a month. And most of that will be used up on basic living expenses.
Jai ********
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It makes sense that I would make less since I don't have a degree. Do you think that a "very low wage" would still pay me enough to live on? I know that's a subjective question. I comfortably live a very frugal lifestyle but I do want enough to pay for an apartment and basic living expenses.

I'll definitely check the schools very closely before accepting any contracts.
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