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Can I volunteer in Thailand on a Non-Immigrant O-A Long Stay Visa (retirement visa)?

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Question. I’m currently in the States finishing up my application for a Non-Immigrant O-A Long Stay Visa, (retirement visa) and one of the activities I plan on participating in while living in Thailand is volunteering. Not exchanging work for housing/food, but plain old volunteering. I have read that to volunteer legally you need an O Visa. Will my O-A visa suffice or will there be some other TiT hoop to jump through? Thanks.
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The Non-Immigrant O-A Long Stay Visa, typically used for retirees, explicitly states that employment is prohibited. This includes volunteering, which is considered a form of work under Thai regulations. To legally volunteer in Thailand, a different visa (such as a Non-O Visa) and a work permit are generally required. Engaging in volunteer work on an O-A visa could lead to potential legal issues, as you would be violating the visa's terms.
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Tod *********
Tod *********
and while this is a topic that comes up quite often it is certainly NOT related to anything to do with visas to thailand.

I'd say we're done and I wish good luck to the O/P in their endeavors here. (y)
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Scott *******
You are looking for logic where there is none to be had.

IF you're going to be comin' here on an O-A visa it will be "employment prohibited" AND no matter what you think (or what you found in engrish googling around) volunteering DOES fall under work in the eyez of the thaiz. Now whether that makes sense to you or not is totally irrelevant. It only has to make sense to the thaiz.

Believe me I'm not tryin' to piss on your parade, I'm telling you you're certainly NOT the first foreigner who wanted to volunteer here BUT due to the way the rules that define what constitutes work AND the rules that govern the issuance of a "work permit" <-(needed to volunteer for free) they couldn't do it.

Good Luck,
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Scott *******
, while I understand your desire to "give back" you need to do a LOT of research before you run yourself off the rails here volunteering.

On an O-A Long Stay visa it clearly says "employment prohibited" on it. In the powerz-that-b here eyes volunteering (whether paid or unpaid) constitutes "work" <- meaning you can't do it.
Scott ********
Scott ********
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Tod, not trying to run myself off the rails, trying to see if it’s possible. So far I haven’t seen any documentation that shows me in black and white that it isn’t possible. The stamps in the passport that you mention are in color 😉. I’m looking for source documents while at the same time wondering out loud why Thailand would prohibit such an experienced group of people from freely donating their time for a good cause. If it’s a misapplication of what is ‘work’ then maybe that’s something that can get changed in the future. But I have to have a reference before I can determine any next steps.
Biff *******
Biff *******
If you want to volunteer at a local school you should get the relevant police clearances. The appropriate visa and the correct work permit.

The school would need to support you in that, and they probably won’t.

You can think it should be however you like, but it isn’t like that it’s how it is.

Volunteering on a visa that you won’t get issued a work permit on, like the Non O-A you’re planning to get will leave you open to all kinds of potential problems. The main root of all those problems is that it’s illegal. You’re not a citizen of Thailand. You can’t do the things that a citizen can do. Once you get your visa you will be an alien who has been permitted to stay here under the terms of the visa you obtained. Aliens require work permits in order to work. Volunteering is regarded as work. It is work. It’s unpaid work but it’s work. Work that aliens require a permit for. You won’t get one so if you do that (unpaid) work you’ll be doing it illegally. This is something you need to decide if you’re comfortable with or not.
Scott ********
Scott ********
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Biff, thanks for all the info. I’m fully aware of everything you mentioned. The one thing I haven’t found yet is the source document for this. Sure, I’ve read about it on the internet from sites that are not Thai government sites. As a former government worker I can’t tell you how many times people quote regulations without showing source documents. Usually because they’re only repeating what they’ve been told by the ‘supervisors’ in the back office. When I actually crack open a regulation I often find exceptions to policy that allows a different outcome.
Daniel ************
Daniel ************
you cant work - on retirement visa - wont get a wp. - you might need volunteer visa / non o and a wp /
Krishn *********
Krishn *********
Me too on OA visa here.

But my visa not have such stamp, may be depending of my past background.
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Scott ********
Scott ********
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@Krishn ********
On an O-A visa? Interesting. Leaves a door open perhaps.
Krishn *********
Krishn *********
check your visa stamp 1st. If there is no stamp about "work is prohibited" then you proceed.

I have no such stamp in my visa. Scott Cassio.
Scott ********
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@Krishn ********
I think I’ll add a separate letter in my application and ask if or how it might be possible to volunteer at a local village school while in Thailand on an O-A visa.
Krishn *********
Krishn *********
@Scott *******
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1st check your visa stamp. If there is work prohibited, then you can't.

If no stamp, then contact to appropriate office for work permit.

Depending on province you may get it.

GL
Daniel ************
Daniel ************
well - lets say it like this - if you do good - nobody will complain to you - you in Thailand - make sure you have the support from the Village Headmen - what is legal, illegal and done everyday are different stories ....
Scott ********
Scott ********
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@Stan ******
Yes, sadly there are.
Scott ********
Scott ********
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@Daniel ***********
I realize volunteering is work but I don’t know that other countries lump it into ‘work’ which to me is paid work. I have no organization to volunteer for, it would be the local school where I build a house. I’ve glanced through the volunteer/work visa stuff and in my mind it doesn’t apply due to my circumstances (O-A) and the circumstances of so many that are living in Thailand on the O-A visa. I’m wondering what the work around is, if any. It seems like such a wasted opportunity if so many retired expats are barred from volunteering with no expectation or desire for compensation in any way because they classify it as work.
Daniel ************
Daniel ************
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Stan *******
Stan *******
@Scott *******
, As Daniel said , you need a Non O and a work permit , many things are non sensical
Daniel ************
Daniel ************
@Scott *******
volunteering is work - paid or unpaid. you might consider check that with the organisation you wanna volunteer for - what they are able to handle for you.
Scott ********
Scott ********
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I realize I can’t work, no problem there as I’ve been practicing that for the last 5 years lol. Since I’ll be building a house and living in Thailand the O-A is the correct visa to get and getting an O visa (and/or a work permit) instead just so I can volunteer, and the paperwork involved with all of that, seems, well nonsensical. So I’m hoping there’s a way to be able to volunteer while on an O-A visa.

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