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Can I get a new Visa Exempt Entry after leaving and re-entering Thailand on my current extended Visa on Arrival?

Larisa ****
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Hello! I need advise here. I am on extended visa on arrival right now, which expires at the beginning of July. Can I fly out and the fly in Thailand and get another visa on arrival or not? I need it, in order to be able to change it in a non immigrant visa later on in August. Thank you.
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The original poster is seeking clarification on whether they can fly out of Thailand and then return to obtain another Visa on Arrival, as their current visa expires in July and they want to later convert it to a Non-Immigrant Visa in August. The comments clarify the differences between Visa on Arrival and Visa Exempt Entry, noting that Visa Exempt Entry can be used more than once a year under certain conditions, while Visa on Arrival has different regulations.
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Robert *******
Robert *******
Visa on Arrival and Visa Exempt Entry has different rules and regulations, that's why it is important to know the correct stamp to give you a proper advice. Don't worry, as mentioned earlier many call it the same.
Larisa ****
Larisa ****
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Tod Daniels I agree about the officers in C-1. I found them super helpful as well. And thanks again for clarifying the 90days and 1year visa difference. i was not aware of this! ๐Ÿ‘
Tod *********
Tod *********
One thing though, you mention 90 days or one year is not important. It is VERY important because they don't issue visas inside the country for one year.

You apply for and get a 90 day Non-O and a new 90 day stamp.

Then when you have 45 days or less left on that you go back out and apply for the yearly extension of stay; using almost the exact same documentation as before, just at another section (Section L)..
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Larisa ***
, because it's my experience that the people in Section C-1 (where they issue all in country Non-Immigrant Visas out there) are helpful (y)
Larisa ****
Larisa ****
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@Tod ********
Yes, correct. Why?
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Larisa ***
Are you "pushing paper" (my term for doing the visa paperwork ;) ) here in Bangkok at the immigration office out at Chaengwattana?
Robert *******
Robert *******
As most of the Thai people. ๐Ÿคฃ
Larisa ****
Larisa ****
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Right, agree for the visa for kids. Thanks again for your help. Really useful. I should ask more questions here. And I also go to the Immigration in person to ask my questions. Some officers are super friendly and helpful. Really easy to talk to them.
Tod *********
Tod *********
WHOOPS ;) Robert and I cross posted :)
Tod *********
Tod *********
In theory, yes kids should have visas (that's just the way the law is written). However it's true, kids under 15 can't be fined for overstay and kids under 18 can't be banned for overstay. So at the end of the day there is really nothing wrong with just letting the kids overstay :O
Robert *******
Robert *******
That's why I always go in person to Immigration. No lawyer needed. Children need a Visa, but are not fined for overstay til 16 years of age, if elder they got fined but not blacklisted till 18 years of age.
Tod *********
Tod *********
Your lawyer is wrong. As long as you can provide all the documentation needed at the immigration office for the initial Non-O you'll get the visa issued. In fact, IF they accept your application and paperwork, take your money and tell you to come back to get the results in 14 days you'll be approved. I've never seen them take documentation and money then deny the visa.
Larisa ****
Larisa ****
OP
This is the same situation as it is with the visas for kids. kids do not need any visa in Thailand till they are 14yo (at least not for Europeans & Americans). But still, lawyers will tell you, have to do visa for them. lol. Trying to find the truth! lol
Larisa ****
Larisa ****
OP
More that 15days. So I want to apply but lawyer says: Can Not :D
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Larisa ***
You do NOT have to leave the country when applying for that 90 day Non-O at the immigration office. As it says on the top of the form you DO need at least 15 days on your current stamp to apply. How many days do you have left on your current admitted until stamp in your passport now?
Larisa ****
Larisa ****
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Yeap, correct. Those documents are clear to me. What I do not understand why I have to get out of the country when it is stated at 1.2 that a visa exemption stamp is acceptable to follow this procedure (90 days or 1 year, it is not important). This is super strange. Officer at the immigration says one thing, the lawyers say a different thing...anyways, your explanation is clear! Thank you!
Tod *********
Tod *********
The fact that it's so documentation heavy is one of the reasons SO many people go outside the country and pull the 90 day Non-O from a thai consulate rather than push paper at the immigration office in-country :/

Some thai consulates have a very low requirement as far as documentation to issue the visa to you. :)

Then once they have it they apply for the yearly extension of stay at the immigration office.
Tod *********
Tod *********
FWIW: the documentation required for clauses 6, 7, 8 10 & 11 are the deal breakers. It's a pile 'o paperwork from the company where your spouse works at :O
Larisa ****
Larisa ****
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This is super complicated. ๐Ÿ˜‚ Thank you very much! I might get back with more questions though. ๐Ÿ˜‰
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Larisa ***
Yep I've got that paper too (I made them gimme all the different ones a while back).

There is NO 1 year, Non-Immigrant Visa that you can get inside the country :/

What you actually would be doing is applying for a 90 day Non-O based on having a spouse which legally works here for 2000baht.

The application would go under consideration for 14 days (which is why you need 15 days left on your current stamp). Then you go back and get the 90 day Non-O visa stamped in, along with a used stamp on it and you'd also get a new 90 day "admitted until stamp".

After that, when you have 45 days or less left on that stamp you just got, you'd apply for a yearly extension of stay based on being the spouse of someone who works here for 1900baht
Larisa ****
Larisa ****
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Ok, Tod, thank you for your advise. I am still confused with this procedure. I got this paper from an immigration officer who told me I can do it (I mean get the non imm O using the Visa Exemption Stamp).Can you see the point 1.2? May be I do not understand their rules correctly. Also, I would be applying for 1 year non imm-O, based on one year spouse non imm-B. ๐Ÿ˜Š
Tod *********
Tod *********
Larisa GL I have never personally seen anyone successfully apply for a 90 day Non-O visa inside the country at the thai immigration office based on being the trailing spouse of someone working here. At least at Chaengwattana I have never seen it. I dunno if other places will or won't do it. BUT as
@Robert ******
, said you'd need at least 15 days left on your current admitted until stamp to even try.

In every instance the spouse who wants the Non-O is told to exit the country and get a 90 day single entry Non-O at a thai consulate, THEN come back and apply for the yearly extension of stay based on their spouse being legally employed here.
Robert *******
Robert *******
As far as I know: It could be done at some Immigration offices, not all. And you must have a certain amount of days left when apply, thought it was 15. But the expert wil explain the real deal.
Robert *******
Robert *******
I give this one to the expert:
@Tod ********
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Larisa ****
Larisa ****
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Another question, since I see you guys are very well informed ๐Ÿ˜Š Can I apply for a non immigrant O visa (which for husband or wife following the one having the non immigrant visa B) using the Visa Exempt Entry stamp? Or should I get out of the country and apply for a short term non imm O in a Thai embassy first and then come back and exrend it?
Larisa ****
Larisa ****
OP
I have been calling it visa on arrival all the time!!! ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
Larisa ****
Larisa ****
OP
Right, I thought it is called visa on arrival, but it is actually an exemption stamp. I've created a misunderstanding here. :) Thanks Pete and Robert for your help! Much appreciated!
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Larisa ***
, when you enter the country you get a 30 day visa exempt entry stamp. You can extend that for 30 days at the immigration office.
Robert *******
Robert *******
Than as you can see in the picture, you are not eligible for a Visa on Arrival. Look in your passport and the stamp will have the text: Visa Exempt Entry, there is no official limit if coming in by air. You can only use Visa Exempt Entry twice a calendar year if you entry by land border.
Larisa ****
Larisa ****
OP
France.
Robert *******
Robert *******
What country of origin is your passport?
Larisa ****
Larisa ****
OP
OK, thank you
@Robert ******
for your quick reply. My question is: can I do it 2 times in a row? Never done this before, but I guess there should be a limitation of number of times that a visa on arrival is given...or not?
Robert *******
Robert *******
Depending on the origin of your passport, you can fly back in and get a Visa Exempt Entry for 30 days or a Visa on Arrival for 15 days.

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