What are the pros and cons of the 5 year Thailand Elite Visa?

Dec 29, 2022
2 years ago
Philip *******
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What's people's thought on the 5 year elite visa. I'am hoping to come and move to Thailand in two years and the elite visa I have been reading about seems good for 5 years hassle free hopefully. Or may be I have been reading it incorrectly.
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The 5-year Thailand Elite Visa is seen as an advantageous option for expats under 50 and those with sufficient financial means, offering convenience and ease regarding immigration processes. However, it is criticized for its high cost compared to other visa options such as retirement or LTR (Long-Term Resident) visas. Current holders of the Elite Visa express mixed feelings, noting that while it provides hassle-free living and perks, the value may not justify the expense for older applicants or those with alternative means of residency. Many suggest exploring other visa categories based on individual circumstances.
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Sharon *********
We got the 5 year elite visa last year, both in our 50s and it was such an easy and stress free process, yes we still have to do our 90 day reporting but that takes all of maybe 30 minute wait and a 5 minute process to stamp and all done, I would definitely recommend Thailand elite visa. We can also renew after 5 years for the 15 year visa. For us it was easy and we are able to leave our money in our Australian bank rather than a Thai bank account. If you need more information elite do a Skype or video call to answer all your questions, we were communicated to all through the process and didn’t have to do anything, and picked up at airport and fast tracked through to immigration where they had our passports stamped whilst we sat and they collected our bags and had a car come and get us. For us it was a no brainer and we haven’t regretted paying for what we got. Good luck 👍
Don *********
If you qualify for the 10 year LTR visa (there are 4 categories) this would be a far better option at just THB50k
Gary **********
If you are under 50 years old, I agree. If you are financially comfortable I agree. If you are not very knowledgeable about things in Thailand I agree. If you spend the five years in Thailand under this type of visa, learning about the in’s and our’s, (and trust me you will have difficulties nonetheless which will be learning experiences), then, once it expires you may opt for something better. It seems like a great way to transition into a more permanent life in Thailand for someone who has no contacts there and is not versed in the culture. Good Luck!
Robyn *******
Riny ************
Over 60 Years (like me) it makes no sense. Non Im O is much cheaper.
Dan ***********
@Riny ***********
agree and once you do the the renewal each year it is easy and $200 $300 yr cost. That maybe $6000 for 20 yrs. non OA makes no sense. non O easier to deal with.
Steven *********
If you get the 20-year Elite Visa, it will cost at today's exchange rate in USD $28,877.53.

This breaks down to $1,443.88 per year or $120.32.

On a daily basis, this is $4.01 per day.

I have heard of some plan where you pay some agent somewhere around $2,000 and they work the retirement visa deposit proof.

To me, this means they are investors looking for a sure income.

They put up the Baht 800,000 and get $2,000 per year?

$23,104.70 is put up and they get $2,000 in a year and the money is upfront, so it can be invested as well.

This works out to 8.6% per year, guaranteed income.

If they also take out half during the 8 months of the year that they are allowed, this reduces the amount of the funds out.

This is a pretty good deal for the investor / agent.

A perfect removal and return (B800,000 down to B400,000 for 8 months) of an average of $15,403 with a $2,000 baht return or 12.98% return. This then becomes an attractive investment.

Some of the requirements of the Retirement Visa can be difficult challenges. Everyone has a different circumstance, so the best use of money changes from person to person.

The real liability of the Elite Visa is if you pay for 20 years but only live 15. Then you have totally wasted 5 years of $4 per day. You can take it up with St. Peter if you keep your receipts.
Chris *****
Thank you very much Steven, very kind of you to delve into such detail. Some interesting food for thought. I reckon I can probably rule out marrying a Thai, but I'll double check with the wife as you never know..

For anyone else curious, I think the middle bit of Steven's post was about whether it is better to pay an agent $2000 to borrow their 800K which they'd draw down to 400K (didn't realize you could do this), or use your own if you have it or borrow.
Chris *****
@Steven ********
could you please explain what you are saying a little more simplistically?

I think you're saying you pay the agent $2000, and they then loan the 800K needed for the visa, and that this is a bad deal for the retiree?

And you then compare this to a retiree providing their own 800K, thereby saving themselves the $2000 they would have paid the agent?

Isn't the baseline the $1443 per year of the 20yr Elite? Asking as I'd like to re-do your calculation with the LTR Wealthy Pensioner vs the 5-yr Elite (and understand your rationale).
Steven *********
@Chris ***************
There are many options and many situations. What works for one as the best is not the best for others.

Do you have cash flow or cash reserves? If you have cash reserves and parking some of it works AND you can pass the other requirements, then the "800,000 Baht" plan works.

If you have a pension or Social Security, then you have cash flow, but maybe not much in the bank. Then you can qualify by your monthly cash deposits. It can be a bit of chicken and egg to get the bank account to start this all off and build a track record. Also, some locations may or may not accept this method.

There is a middle way where you put up some % of the 800,000 and make up the other % with cash flow. This again may or may not fly with your specific location or person.

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If you have cash in reserve AND you can't qualify for the "Retirement Visa," then those options won't work.

If you have cash flow, then the Agent who arranges to fund you a qualifying account for the $2,000 fee, then this may be your best option. It may or may not be fully okay if you are not putting up your money. This would make this method risky in my opinion.

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If your hot buttons for a visa are long term security, then there is the Elite Visa. You have to have the reserve to do it, much like the 800,000 retirement visas, but you are not going to get the money back. This will only be a deal once you have died, and are there inheritors at that point?

Some of the age, documentation and other issues are easier with the Elite Visa. It may be worth the peace of mind to deal with this 5, 15 or 20 years if you have dementia or similar issues in your family. If so, you may want to secure your place before your ability to calculate and manage all the paperwork may become a problem.

If you are too young for the 800,000 age requirement, this may be a factor too.

I would suggest running the numbers for your specifics. Then which of the options are possible? Some may not even be possible, so what is left?

Of the possible options, which one is best for you and your desires?

If two or three options stand out, then do a pro and con list on each. Now they are on paper and it will be easier to see what is good for you.

You may add additional options, like retire to another country. That will mean your best Thailand deal will have to compete with the other country.

When I was teaching English in Japan and Korea, there were people that would work as tourists (not really legal). Then every 3 months they would swap houses. One of the houses would be in Japan and the other in Korea. The English students would find they have a new teacher every quarter.

I never did this myself, though. If you did something like this where you have two houses, one in Thailand and another country, you could hop back and forth. This assumes that the additional house cost is less than one of the legitimate visa options. This also is not foolproof. What if you become unable late in life to do all the moves from country to country? What if they change the rules at some point? In total, what is your comfort with the long term possibilities? If you get too tricky and get kicked out of a country, then your life may be upside down and your resources could take an unwelcome hit. Now you are old, and your plan is falling apart.

Nothing is for sure and it is general financial advice that as you get older your investments should be more for "holding value" and less about working to "increase value." A financial advisor will tend to move you out of aggressive investments to more boring ones as you get older. In the same way, as you look towards the later part of your life the idea that you might have a two or more country "travel and go" plan, may be affected by health and changing rules. If you are 20 years old, then this may be great, though. Travel and travel, seeing new things all the time. But if you have a bad hip, trouble to sit on a plane for two hours, and become forgetful, that can be a bad choice.

Take all of your possible options and choose from them. Consider the future and any specific issues to you. Are you married? Possibly going to marry? If you marry someone, will that open up a marriage visa?

Maybe you do marry and move to a marriage visa, but you got the 20-year Elite. There are not any refunds, so your possible option to marry and reduce your costs is not an option. If only you perfectly knew the future, this would be so much easier.

Do you qualify for all the requirements? Do some "what if" analysis? How is your health? How long do people in your family live? What is your plan for care as you get older? How can you perceive your current situation changing? How likely are you to leave and return to your home country? Are you going to inherit a significant amount of money?

There are more questions or constraints based on your specific data.
Nivant ******
@Steven ********
The best post i have seen among thousands of visa comparison threads.. This is exactly what i calculated and applied for Elite 20yrs, got it last month for me and wifey.. Simple math plus lot of uncertainity around yearly visa in terms of future cost, min requirement etc.. Elite is a no-brainer if one can afford it..
Philip *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Steven ********
thank you I'am not sure if I would see St. Peter.
Dan ***********
Waste of money. A good visa agent would tell you that as well.
Mitchell *******
It is good if you have $$$ you aren't worrying about. It also takes everything out of your hands as far as reporting etc. And apparently you get perks at immigration?

If you have the $$$ and are under 50, then definitely worth it if you want to be in Thailand as much as you can. I think if you are over 50, you may have a harder time justifying it. If over 50, and you are travelling a lot internationally, it may be beneficial.
Jim *******
Sorry but what is the LTR visa?

I'm on marriage visa now
Sheen ************
@Jim ******
long term resident. Google as it’s all there
Patrick ********
Great idea if you can justify the cost
Robert **********
As other said, it’s a good option if you have the money and you’re well under 50. Myself, I’ll be on my fifth extension of a non-O retirement visa. Not that much trouble to get, I have to do 90 day reports and get reentry permits, but elite still requires a 90 day report. Expedited passport control and limousine service from Bangkok airports are not of that much value, you can pay for these things if you need them.
Bobby ********
What country are you from? If you're Australian, you're laughing with the OX visa. Five years, which can be extended a further five years, and no requirement to transfer money into a Thai bank account.
Nick ***********
LTR is the way forward
Yunus *******
@Nick **********
But the requirements of this visa is very high no? Let's say you meet the annual income then after tax wouldn't you lose more than elite? That was my assumption.
Nick ***********
@Yunus ******
you won’t pay tax in thailand on taxable income in your home country
Yunus *******
@Nick **********
Oh ok i guess then not bad deal
Nick ***********
@Yunus ******
what tax?
Yunus *******
@Nick **********
Income tax on the 80k required to show. That's not a requirement?
Fran *****
@Nick **********
what is LTR ? Elite visa
Natalie ********
@Nick **********
just got mine today!
Natalie ********
And such a relief 😅
Nick ***********
@Natalie *******
great news!
Chris ****
@Nick **********
I just applied…fingers crossed.
Wayne *********
OX 5 year plus 5 year is much cheaper and us Aussie can leave our money in Australia via Sydney consulate:)

Just $600 aud for 5 years and yes need health insurance for OA or OX visa
Fark *****
@Wayne ********
not heard of this what's the upfront cost.
Wayne *********
@Mick ******
I said The cost already$600aud
Neil ***********
So tell me more about the Elite Visa I got a lad there age 20y who wants to stay for 5years min
Shea *******
@Neil **********
I'm on a smart S visa it makes opening, specific, businesses easier.
Ulrik *********
@Neil **********
what do you want to know ?
Neil ***********
@Ulrik ********
sorry just done some research don’t think it’s something my lad could go for. Thank you
Michael *******
If you are rich its fine
Jeremy ********
The 20 year one is the best deal they have
Russell *******
Retirement visa is a great visa ,great value
Charles ********
Elite is good option. I have the 5 right now.

I did stay in Thailand for about a year with an STV and then ED just to make sure I like it first.

The 5 year is a pretty bad value, but you can upgrade to the 20 year which comes out to 50k baht a year. I think that's a good value. I got the 5 only with a strong intention of upgrading to the 20.
Wayne *******
@Charles *******
the 5 year elite is £14,600 for the 5 years,what a waste of money.
Ulrik *********
@Wayne ******
Perhaps a waste for you, but for others not so much. I am quite satisfied with my purchase.
Wayne *******
@Ulrik ********
did i mention your name at all,was i speaking to you,if your over 50 then yes its a waste of money,when you can get retirement visa or an LTR Visa
Ulrik *********
@Wayne ******
my apologies. I was not aware that I needed permission to reply you. Did you ask Charles for permission before you addressed him ?
Wayne *******
@Ulrik ********
yes i pm him🤣
Charles ********
I should mention I am in my 30s though. You should of course consider the retirement visa. Elite is a lot easier though... So it's up to you determine if the convenience and prestige is worth it.
Frank-Steven ***********
Way overpriced. People that can afford the elite visa, should be welcomed with open arms to live in Thailand without having to pay for it. Afterall, they’ll be spending good money here. Luckily there is an alternative now: the LTR visa. That is, if you qualify or if it will adjust its rather strange and unsuitable requirements soon. Check it out before considering elite.
Richard **********
@Frank-Steven **********
I have an Elite Visa, i got it age 27. 😋
Frank-Steven ***********
@Richard *********
So it was you who got that elite visa 😉. No, good for you. I know at a young age it is more difficult to stay in Thailand longer time. So, if you got the money and don't mind giving a lot of it to the Thai government for the "privilege" of spending more money in Thailand, then I guess it works for you. Why not.
Richard **********
@Frank-Steven **********
Forgot to mension - i only work 6 months a year 🤪
Frank-Steven ***********
@Richard *********
As I said: Happy for you. Sounds like a good start for a young man. If you save some of your income and pick your brain just enough, you can over time pivot to passive income and enjoy 12 month free of work a year. Cheers. 👍
Richard **********
@Frank-Steven **********
cheers mate. If you got any questions about an elite visa let me know 👌 - Happy to help
Frank-Steven ***********
@Richard *********
Thanks. But me personally, I draw the line at paying 50k THB processing fees for a 10 year LTR visa. A mater of personal principle.
Richard **********
@Frank-Steven **********
Yup - work for an Oil Company since you are 18 earning good money you can buy one pretty young 😉
Philip *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Frank-Steven **********
thank you I will.
Marianne ********
If you're not old enough to get a retirement visa, I guess the 5 Year Elite one is ok if you only plan on living here.
Tony *********
@Marianne *******
you can live here on a retirement Visa.
Philip *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Tony *********
@Philip ******
if you are over 50 and qualify for a retirement Visa an elite Visa will not give you any additional advantages. An elite Visa is only for those who are younger than 50 and who want to stay here long term. That's one of the advantages of getting older here, the retirement Visa.
Phil ********
Are you under 50?
Philip *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Phil *******
I will be 57.
Tony *********
@Philip ******
it's a no-brainer. Retirement Visa. Will cost you 2,000 baht a year. I'm assuming that if you have the money to pay for an elite Visa then you can find 800k to park in a bank account for your Visa requirement.
Frank-Steven ***********
@Philip ******
In that case: Don't waste your money. Staying in Thailand at 50+ is easy. Just deposit 800k THB in a Thai bank account (this money is and remains yours) and extend your stay again and again at a yearly basis for a mere 1,900 THB at each extension around. Or do the LTR for retirees, if you qualify and want less hassle and some perks.
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