What are the key advantages and disadvantages of the Thai Elite visa compared to other retirement options?

Jan 22, 2022
3 years ago
Jim ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Anyone know more first hand about the Thai Elite visa? We just retired and looking at options that don’t require border runs etc.
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The discussion revolves around options for long-term residency in Thailand for retirees, focusing on the Thai Elite visa versus retirement visas like the Non-O. Community members highlight that while the Elite visa offers 10 years of residency without the hassle of annual extensions, it comes at a high cost (600,000 baht for 5 years, 2 million baht for 20 years) and is seen as overpriced. In contrast, the Non-O visa is easier to obtain at a lower financial commitment (800k baht in the bank or 65k baht monthly transfer), and does not require expensive health insurance, making it a more practical option for those over 50. Several users shared personal experiences and detailed the process for obtaining these visas, emphasizing the advantages of the Non-O visa in terms of ease and cost-effectiveness.
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Dan ********
@Nandano *******
not strictly true. They were allowed to apply for COE same as everyone else, granted on a case by case basis, using the same criteria, if they had immediate family and dependants.
Helen ********
@Jim *******
recently went through the process. We had also considered the elite visa but felt that the benefits didn't justify the cost as we would each of needed one, so 1.2M THB to start.

If over 50 the best option is the Non O, based on retirement. If it's for you and a spouse, you can have one of you as a "trailing spouse". To do this, each of us applied for a 90 day Non O before leaving our country. We found our local consulate was really helpful with the information required.

When we got to Thailand we were able to open a bank account with the Non O visa. As we are Canadian we didn't have to deposit the 800k THB and were able to get proof of income and our marriage license verified at the local consulate. I'm not sure if you can also do the trailing spouse with the 800K THB but I'm sure others here have experience.

Went to immigration with our lease, TM30, consulate letter, copy of marriage license and the other requested forms and applied for the year extension on the Non O based on retirement. We are both stamped in till January 2023 and can get re-entry permits. It was all quite easy and meant we didn't have to spend $50K CAD.

Here is a link to my husband's post in another group.

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Duncanc **********
have you thought about checking the Elite visa website?
Mark **********
Recommend a Non-O applied for through your home country’s Royal Thai Embassy/Consulate. Arrive, deposit required funds in a Thai commercial bank for 60 days and then apply for 1 year extension. On going requirements will include 90 reporting (hopeful it’s on line soon) and annual extensions at Immigration.
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Steve **********
@Mark *********
They have been saying " report on line " for 20 years. Of all those years it's been down about 17 or so.
Mark **********
@Steve *********
Yep, just hoping this time they get it right. They worked out the bugs pretty quickly with Thailand Pass….here’s hoping
Brahim ******
Retirement visa stay away from the elite which is an overpriced tourist visa
Sue *************
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Ken ******
elite visa probably needed if you can not find other ways to get a long stay visa, like you are too old to get mandatory insurance or simply too costly
Jim ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Ken *****
Who do you go through for insurance? Are you talking our normal insurance or travel insurance or Thai insurance?
Bobby ********
Ken Chao. You can get insurance up to 75 which can be renewed until age 99.
Ken ******
some reality check apart from visa :: air

pollution (you

can download air quality app.to check

daily) can.be quite serious, water

quality (local people do.not drink from

tap water), public drainage system is

poor (avoid living in high risk big flood

area), low world ranking in public road

safety, also avoid living too near sky

train station (noise level high) or too far

away (too hot to walk long distance),

ALL THE.ABOVE CAN BE RESEARCHED

USING GOOGLE SEARCH
Steve **********
@Ken *****
obviously you don't live here.

Based on this, you hate it.
Jim ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Ken *****
We have been to Thailand before, Chiang Rai, Bangkok, Koh lok, Koh Samaui etc. We have enjoyed every area we went. Just want to spend more time doing SLOW travel and enjoying every moment.
Tim *********
@Ken *****
air pollution problem can be avoided completely by living in southern 🏝 areas ie Phuket.
Nandano ********
When Thailand closed its borders in March 2020 due Covid, about 2000 Elite visa holders were stuck abroad. They were able to return only in November 2020 along with ordinary tourists. Just the fact. Elite visa don't make you elite or unique.
Sri ***
@Nandano *******
Elite is only to pay more to get visa 🤣🤣🤣
Jeffrey ************
Elite visa "guarantees" 10 years without the annual drama at immigration.
Bim *******
@Jeffrey ***********
actually 20 years now but no membership perks for a million baht
Ken ******
@Jeffrey ***********
the drama is probably value for money?i or it is a way to experience amazing thailand
James ********
@Jeffrey ***********
it's 5 years for 600,000

More. cost for 10 years
Jeffrey ************
@James *******
Yes I know. I have a 10 year.
Bobby ********
Get a retirement visa. OA from your own country if you don't want to transfer money here, otherwise an O which requires 800k in the bank, or 65k per month transfer
Tim *********
@Bobby *******
unless you can’t. I’m 45 lol 😂 Elite is for younger folks like me.
Din ****
@Tim ********
What are the requirements for that
Tim *********
@Din ***
Not much for the Elite. Just cash (starts at 600,000 baht) and no criminal background. Well, I believe certain crimes disqualify you but not all. Google for a conclusive run down but I believe that’s the gist of it. Peace ✌️
Bobby ********
Tim Riordan. My response was to the original post which stated "retirement". The Elite Visa is (in my opinion) an overpriced novelty. Why anyone 50+ would even consider one is beyond me
Seema ********
@Bobby *******
Is it possible to get Tax residency based on retirement visa? As far as I read, you cannot get a TIN on OA.
Bobby ********
Seema Devgan. Considering you cannot work on a retirement visa, and therefore not generate income within the country, I think it would be highly unlikely. You'd have to speak to a Thai financial advisor to get the correct answer
Ken ******
@Bobby *******
but with OA, you need to purchase costly mandatory health insurance each year for renewal, with O visa you do not need this almost useless health insurance as all pre existing health problem not proteched
Bobby ********
Ken Chao. I've got OA insurance. It's only
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per year. Admittedly I don't have any pre-existing conditions, so I'm right up to age 99. It's very probable that insurance will also be required in the future for the O visa, so it's best to get in now and just keep renewing.
Bobby ********
OA you can border bounce close to the expiry of the visa and get a second "free" year. At the end of that year you can return to your home country and repeat the process. This method does not require transfer of any money into Thailand. You can get an in-country extension, but this means having either 800k in the bank (a very stupid process) or transferring 65k a month into a Thai bank account (most intelligent option).
Ruth *******
@Bobby *******
how do the extensions of the OA work?
Nick ************
Dont waste your money on the elite Visa.
Jim ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Thanks for the information. Not worried about the 800k, just looking for additional information from those who had experience to which worked best.
Dianne *****
@Jim *******
I think at present the retirement visa ie Non immigrant O visa obtained within Thailand on the basis of being over 50 years represents the best value if you are aged over 50 years. Previously the non immigrant OA visa (obtained in your own country) represented the best value as you didn't have to move any money into a Thai bank and you could keep your money working for you in your own country. However this visa now requires expensive inpatient and outpatient health insurance (separate from, or additional to) Covid insurance as part of the entry requirement to Thailand with this visa. And with the majority of neighbouring countries still closed or requiring PCR tests and some form of quarantine upon return to Thailand, it is not easy to do a border run just prior to the end of your first year of this visa expiring, and thus get a second year out of this visa for free.

With respect to the non immigrant O visa obtained within Thailand, most nationalities (except those from the US, UK and Australia) can get their embassy to provide them with a notarized later confirming that either they have the equivalent of 800K baht in the bank in their own country, or that they are in receipt of an income/pension equivelent to 65K baht a month. They then present this to immigration when applying for their non immigrant O visa and subsequent extension and therefore they don't need to move any money into Thailand. If you are one of the three nationalities as listed above, whose embassies won't provide such a letter, you have the choice of moving the equivalent of 800K baht into a Thai bank account 2 months before you apply for your visa and keep your account at that amount for 5 months of the year, maintaining at least 400K baht in that account for the rest of the year. Or you can transfer 65K baht every month from your country to a Thai bank account in your name only, if you are not actually in receipt of a pension/income of 65K baht, that automatically is paid into your Thai bank account every month. Personally I prefer the transferring of 65K baht a month into my account as opposed to having 800K baht sitting idle in a Thai bank account when that money could be working for me in my country. Others prefer to have the 800K banked and never touch it or have to remember to transfer the 65K each month without missing a payment or having the payment incorrectly coded. The 65K method works for me, but you have to be diligent and organised with a good memory to make it work. The other advantage is that you can spend every baht account of that 65K every month if you want to, ie there is no need to keep a minimum balance in your bank acvount
Dianne *****
No border runs or visa runs required if you have either a non immigrant OA visa obtained in your own country or a non immigrant O visa obtained within Thailand based on being over 50. You can stay for a year at a time and in fact many years without leaving Thailand as long as you do your visa extension every year. You do need to do a 90 day report if you are in Thailand for 90 days, you can do this online, by mail, in person or some immigration offices have a drive through service. It is a painless undertaking that takes about 15 minutes of your day every 3 months, less if you do it online
Dana *******
First an Extension of 30 days of your "Exemption Stamp" (1'900 THB), then a 3-months "Non-O" visa (1'900 THB) and then a yearly Extension (1'900 THB). Ask your Immigration bureau which documents exactly you need. They know the best...And don't forget the 800k THB on a Thai Bank account...
Jim ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Dana ******
just my local immigration or to I need to got to a Thai embassy?
Dana *******
@Jim *******
Local immigration, in Thailand. Otgerwise, an "Non-OA" at a Thai Embassy in your home country. In both cases, ask them directly the requirements.
Bobby ********
Jim Butler. If you want an 'O' retirement visa you can get this at an immigration office, the OA you have to get from Embassy or consulate
Karim ***************
If you’re 50+, why not get a retirement visa? Otherwise elite visas, 5 years for 600k baht and 20 year for 2 million baht.
John **********
@Karim **************
its 600k for 5 years the another 400k for additional 15 years.
Karim ***************
@John *********
yes I meant 1 million for 20 year.
Steve **********
@Karim **************
get your type 0 retirement visa....everything else is ......in wind
Jim ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Karim **************
yes, we are both over 50 and just retired so looking into the retirement visa when we ran across this elite visa. Just getting confusing as to what’s the best approach.
Bim *******
@Jim *******
Jim I knew the comments would be coming re the Elite visa. I was a member and it is a very convenient visa to have. They also do a 20 year one for one Million baht but membership perks. Yes it's a lot of money but the extensions of stay each year are very easy to do at immigration. If you settle in Bangkok or Phuket the Elite people will do the extensions and 90 day reports for you but their maybe a small charge for doing so. The only draw back to the visa is that it is not exchangeable inside the country for any other visa so when it expires you do have to leave. What is the cost of convenience that's up to what you can afford. It's multi entry so you can come and go as you please and get stamped in another year when and if things get back to normal. Yes their cheaper options as stated above. Hope that helps.
Karim ***************
@Jim *******
the elite visa is a good option if you’re wanting to live in Thailand long term, without investing in business (and under 50). For anyone over 50 and wanting to stay long term, it’s pointless in my opinion. Look into a retirement visa and use a reputable agent to help you arrange your first visa. After that, it’s easy enough do the renewal yourself.
Gary **********
Just get a retirement visa simple to get and only need to report to immigration every 90 days no need to leave Thailand but you need 800k in bank
Ginna **********
@Gary *********
so you have to report somewhere every 90 days?
Jim ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Gary *********
That’s what we are leaning to is the retirement visa
Jim ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Easy guys.. I don’t mean to create drama here on either side. 800 or even a mil is a drop in the bucket.. I want everything legit regardless of the price. I just want to enjoy the cultural of Thailand for every moment I have there. Regardless if I spend a month in each place and move to next area or stay a couple years if I like it
Gary **********
@Jim *******
I had it for 10 years no probs ..just make sure you have the 800 k in bank there is another way to get it that's through a agen .no need for money in bank but it's costs you aprox 25 / 30 k for agent to do it ..it's all legit but you don't have to do any think just give passport to agent they do it all ..
Bobby ********
Gary Harrison. It's not legit if you go through an agent to avoid having money in Thai bank account. A bribe is paid to the immigration officer. It's all ok if you don't get caught. If you are caught, you can get kicked out and banned for several years
Gary **********
@Bobby *******
it's the norm in Thailand trust me I've never done it that way but I know so many who have ...
Bobby ********
Gary Harrison. I realise that. I know one person who was caught out and was sent to IDC and deported with a five year ban. It was not pretty. I was pointing out that it's not legit, although the agent will tell you it is
Mark ********
@Gary *********
need to do 90 day report even on elite visa
Tim *********
@Mark *******
and u have to be 50+
Mark ********
90 day reports are free
Gary **********
@Mark *******
true but costs loads
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