Saw this post from one of the large agents in Pattaya not visa related but another hot topic driving licence. Currently only applies to Chonburi District
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Recent discussions in the expat community highlight ongoing confusion regarding new driving license regulations in Thailand, specifically affecting areas like Pattaya and Chonburi. Key points include the stipulation that expats with visas valid for less than a year may only qualify for a 2-year driving license renewal, while those with one-year visas or longer could potentially receive a 5-year license. Community members express concern over inconsistent application of these rules across different districts and the possible complications for those with short-term visas.
Ride4Kickz just did a YT video. Rayong office will issue 5yr renewal if on a non o. It’s just any visa that total validity is less than 1 yr gets 2 yrs.
Ron ******
The American lawyer with the pancake shop was getting all worked up over this in a recent video.
Stephen **********
Same in Chiang Mai. And because the DTV requires a departure after 180 days or a extension, they only do a 2-year license on that Visa also. Not my first choice, but very reasonable.
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will also apply to those on retirement/marriage visas/marriage . When you get your extension approved there is less than 1 year left on that. visa
Greg ***********
Let's all hope this is just a typical case of a “Lost in Translation” error by a Thai authority.
"if you have a visa for less than one year"???
Perhaps they meant "if you have been issued a stay permit of less than one year" ?
It's typical of a mistranslation because this DLT text, just like the "technical jargon" of the Thai immigration authorities, contains typical INCORRECT technical English:
After you entered Thailand, you don't stay in their country “on a visa". You have gotten stamped in a "stay permit".
As soon as you use the correct term "your stay permit" instead of the incorrect term "your visa," the entire meaning of the sentence changes. 😂😎😂
Perhaps they meant, instead:
*** "As long as you have a one-year stay permit", everything is fine and you can extend your driver's license for five years.
The previous rule was that you were only issued a two-year extension if you had a stay permit issued for "less than one year" –
e.g. - if you entered either visa-exempt, on a 60-day tourist visa, on a METV, on a DTV, or on a 90-day Non-Immigrant visa – and had not yet received a one-year extension of your stay permit.
In that case, the two-year extension would be appropriate.
seems like two agents who specialize in getting licenses from this office are saying the same thing. I don't think it's a misunderstanding. Seems like a deliberate policy change, possibly because of these agents. I'd guess Pattaya issues more foreign licenses than anywhere else, except maybe Bangkok.
After you entered Thailand, you don't stay in their country “on a visa". You have gotten stamped in on a "stay permit".
As soon as you use the correct term "if your stay permit is valid for a minimum of one year" instead of the incorrect term "if your visa is valid for less than one year," the entire meaning of the sentence changes
They are visa agents. I don't think they misunderstand anything. They interface with the DLT daily.
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let's all hope that this is just a typical "Lost in Translation" example of a Thai authority.
“a visa less than one year” ???
Maybe they mean, as long as you are on a "1-year stay permit", you can get a 5-year renewal.
As this DLT text, same as Thai Immigration, contains the typical WRONG technical English - you are in their country not on a "visa" but on a stay permit.
So maybe they wanted to say: As long as you got a one-year stay permit, you are good.
Let's hope they wanted to say, if you are still on a stay permit that was issued for less than one year (like when you have entered visa exempt, on a METV, on a DTV, on a 90-days Non-Imm-visa class - and not yet got a one-year extension of the stay permit issued, you can only get a 2-year renewal
Walt ********
How are rules not applied evenly across all districts?
Stuart **********
I could only get a two yr renewal on my 60 day visa exempt.Had to watch two identical videos,one for car and one for motorbike and answer the questions which were all in Thai but no problem ,the staff answered them for me.Also had to do the brake test,colour test,periphery test and judgement test with the two poles.ohh and a medical certificate
Jen **********
seems Thailand is getting very difficult for foreighners, I am sure many will go to other countries which are more welcoming, perhaps Vietnam, sad because Thailand will be the loser
Ken ********
I read they were going to start requiring passing a written test for renewal even if you already have a 5 year license. I'm not sure when, if at all, it's going into effect.
Anyone know more about this?
Brandon ************
Haven't read that anywhere. It's that they're going to stop accepting IDP to let you skip the written test for the first license. Renewals shouldn't change.
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That’s been like that in chaiyaphum for years
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Another case of inconsistent, made up rules by local offices of the very same organization. Well, technically at least they base it on the length of the visa, not the permitted stay / entry stamp. Thus, DTV holders should be ok to get the 5 year license.
and that's where the mind boggles: They use incorrect wording. They actually mean: if your stay permit is valid for less than one year, you can only get a 2-year renewal . . .It is the typical WRONG technical wording, DLT and Immigration are mixing up "visa" and "stay permit". These two authorities call a stay permit "a visa" and this is wrong. You ENTER Thailand on a visa, and then you are inside Thailand on a stay permit. If you go further, it means that all stay permits that got issued on a visa-exempt entry, on a tourist visa, on a METV, on a 90 days Non-Imm visa, and on a DTV, do NOT make you elegible for a 5-year renewal, because these stay permits are only for 60, 90 and 180 days - less than one year. I think what they meant to saywas - Only if you already got issued an Extension of the Stay Permit of exactly one year, you can apply for the 5-year renewal
That would be crazy, but somewhat within expectations. I had a two year Thai driving license 3 times in a row. Luckily, now holding a DTV, I was finally issued a 5 year license in Chiang Mai earlier this year. Was getting tired of renewing every 2 years. Let’s hope not all DLT will copy this bad example.
Nope... a 2 year license costs 105 Baht, 205 for car. It's
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Baht per year plus 5 Baht fee for the stamp. If they not change the prices there is no "win" for the DLT in this new story... 🤔🙄
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Ling *****
Toby Will what you are saying is correct. The wording says "any visa valid less than 12 months". Here's an idea, renew your 1 year extension of stay a month early and then you have 1 month to renew your licence and get 5 years. I'll be doing it like that.
totally agree... Toby Will appeared to just not be getting it..
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Rick ***********
I am actually a little confused by what this means. I have a one-year extension of a non B Visa. I wonder if it means that when I apply for the 5 year license renewal, because there's less than one year left on the extension, I will only get a two year license.
Mots clearly states that the Non O and Non OA are no longer sufficient but the Tik Tok notice doesn't mention those 2 visa types. In any case, there could be work arounds. When I got my license last week I was told that the renewal can be done in any province in Thailand. A side trip somewhere to do the 5 year license renewal somewhere maybe. Mine was done in Rayong by the way.
This does not apply if i already have the 5 year one? Because it's a bit confusing.. i had the 2 year temporary which i renew last February.. so now i have a 5 year license.. but i don't have a 1 year visa because I'm going in and out of Thailand...
John *****
Visa renewal is based on 365days, but at the time when you renew your licence it will surely be valid for less than 1 year for sure, which means everyone's will get 2yrs instead of 5yrs? Except those with visa more than a year?
I agree this is how it's written. I recently renewed my driving license in Phang Nha with about 11-months left on my visa and was told in advance I needed 1-year left. I got a 5-year driving license. I think they might just want to see a 1-year visa with a good amount left on it but obviously that will be subject to discretion of DLT on the day.
John *****
Maybe what they meant to say is, you must be on yearly visa...or up to them, as usual?
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John ********
I love Thailand 🇹🇭 but they do over complicate things sometimes. If you weren’t there and weren’t driving does it matter?? Hmmm 🧐
Gabriel ********
Sorry to hear about the passing of your family member
John **********
Nothing new. Any DLT office in Thailand should only be issuing a 2 year licence on renewal unless the applicant has a long term Non-immigrant based stay
but most non-immigrant visas are 1-year so unless you manage to get an appointment the day your non-imm visa is issued it will always be <365 days and so just a 2-year license.
don't be silly, if you are on a 12 month extension of stay you get a 5 year licence on renewal. In fact if you renew the day after your birthday you get 6 years (less a day)
yes but you almost certainly can’t go and renew your drivers license the precise day you have 365 days left on your extension of stay so will always have less than 1 year unless you have a multi year visa. According to these rules less than 1 year means 2 year driving license.
I don't know. To be honest, I've never bothered to get a Thai licence as I'm in and out of the country on a frequent basis, and try to steer well away from ties to Thailand for taxation reasons
because In Thailand, while an IDP is technically valid for one year, its validity for driving within Thailand is limited to 90 days from the date of each entry. So for staying longer it's recommended to obtain a Thai license.
not sure of your source. Been told after 3 months need Thai license. Don't want to argue the legality roadside with a Thai officer. In any event, this doesn't affect whether a 5 year license would matter. Temporary 2 year should be fine for most.
This is the regulation for foreign drivers in Australia. You will see the three months is mentioned if someone has a resident permit or is a citizen. Visitors can drive on their home country licence until their visa expires
Actually he's right. This 90-day thing is an internet myth that is thrown around, loosely based on the notion that a "tourist entry" used to be limited to 90 days. There's nothing in Thai law which states 90-days. Under the Geneva Convention, reciprocal agreements exist. For example, a Thai licence holder can drive on their Thai licence for up to a year in Australia whilst on a tourist visa. The 90-day limit applies if the person becomes a permanent resident. So the condition is reciprocal, Australians can drive in Thailand for up to a year (provided their Aussie licence is valid). I urge you to steer clear of Visa Agents, they are known to spread misinformation in their pursuit of money
You can't renew a DTV. When the five years is up, you have to start from scratch again. DTV is classed as a tourist visa. Tourists don't need a 5-year licence on a 180-day stamp
I meant people who previously had a 5 year driving licence on a Non-immigrant stay expecting to get 5 years again on renewing their licence but now they're on a DTV