What are the differences between Non-O and Non-OA visas in Thailand, and why did my stay duration change after re-entry?

Jun 11, 2022
2 years ago
John ******
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In the past I had gotten a non OA based on retirement. Last year I received a non O.. because I applied inside Thailand.

I left Thailand for 2 months and returned yesterday to BKK only to be stamped to stay in Thailand until my original December 2022 date. When I left Thailand with my OA... the visa was always extended 1 year.. Up until the original expire date... So really it was a nearly 2 year visa!

What's changed or did the immigration officer make a mistake?
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The user initially held a Non-OA visa for retirement, but after applying for a Non-O visa in Thailand, they experienced a change in their visa duration upon re-entering the country. It was clarified in the comments that extending a visa within Thailand results in a Non-O visa rather than a Non-OA, which is only obtainable from one's home country. Therefore, the immigration officer's action was correct, reflecting the difference between the two visa types.
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Steve *******
The O and the OA are two totally different visas!
Joseph *********
It's always a good thing to know the law.
Brandon ************
You told us what changed. You extended inside Thailand.

You can only get a non-OA visa in your home country. If you extend in Thailand it will be a non-O but with the OA's insurance requirement. If you want to return to OA you'll have to go home and apply again.
Russell *******
I thought that with the Non O A you still need to show funds in Thai bank , just not at the beginning . I thought once you enter the country and start your visa , you then need to put
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0 baht in Thai bank so that it is seasoned by the time you get the extension after 90 days.

Have I got this totally wrong ?
Bobby ********
@Russell ******
Completely wrong. The OA gets you stamped in for 12 months. Before the visa expiry date, you border bounce and get another 12 month stamp. No need to show funds in Thailand. I did it for eight years before covid. Never visited an immigration office. It was heaven.
Russell *******
@Bobby *******
thanks for that.

Ok I got it all wrong, wondering why I didn't apply for non o a then .
Bobby ********
@Russell ******
If you're Australian there's an even better option. The OX gets you stamped in for FIVE years, with an extension option of a further five years. That's what I'll be looking at next time I'm home
Leonard *********
@Bobby *******
I’ll be back in Sydney around November after a 5 month extended stay starting with a 60 day tourist visa. I will look at the OX at that time.

If this announcement ever becomes law, would it be the in-country equivalent of the OX I can get from Sydney?

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Bobby ********
@Leonard ********
No not at all. OX is a retirement visa
Leonard *********
@Bobby *******
okay thanks. The reference in paragraph 2 to “foreign retirees” threw me!
Bobby ********
@Leonard ********
I don't know about this. It's been talked about for the last couple of years, but I don't think it's designed to replace the OX visa
Bernd ***********
@Bobby *******
RTE in Germany also offers that OX option. Yes, worth thinking about that one.
Bobby ********
@Bernd **********
Australia is the only country which allows funds held in an Aussie account to be used to show finances. All the others require transfer to a Thai bank account
Bernd ***********
@Bobby *******
Oh, really!? I have to check. On my checklist from RTE Berlin it says all 14 eligible country's have to deposit in a TH bank.

If your Aussie RTE told you different, you're lucky ...🤗
Bobby ********
@Bernd **********
It's the Sydney Consulate which allows it. It's the only one, so a few Aussies have been taking advantage of it. A 5-year stamp without having to transfer a single baht is brilliant.
Bernd ***********
@Bobby *******
yep, Indeed.

Lucky you. 🤗
Bobby ********
@Craig *******
It mainly depends on whether you want to tie up 800k baht (almost untouchable) in a Thai bank account earning about 0.5% interest, or commit to transferring 65k baht per month from overseas (the better option of these two as you can spend every baht of the 65k as soon as it's registered in your account) OR whether you want to demonstrate money in an overseas account (usually equivalent to 800k) earning a much higher interest rate (in my case I use Supernannustion funds earning around 7% tax free). The money I make from the super fund so very easily covers the cost of a decent health insurance policy, which is a requirement of the OA. Once the original 12-month VISA (not the entry stamp) is almost at expiry you step over a land border, step back in and get a further 12 month stamp (no need to visit an immigration office to beg for an extension). At some stage during the period of that entry stamp (the later the better) you fly back home, spend a bit of time with family and friends, apply for a new OA and repeat the process. You transfer only as much money as you need, and never have to visit a dreaded immigration office. You get two years from the one visa
Craig ********
@Bobby *******
yeah i don't want to return to the states. It's expensive, time consuming, and I really don't want to go back to that place with what's going on right now.

The 800k baht does suck but what I've been doing to offset that is to use my bitcoin to leverage a long position in bitcoin that matches the THB i'm stuffing into a bank account. This effectivly creates a situation where my new position is still 1x long bitcoin, but allows me to have the 800k THB in a bank. Bitcoin's amortized yearly appreciation is 150%.

I already have health insurance from a Thai provider. Much cheaper than the US based plans I looked at to insure me here.

Finally I'll probably use an agent to handle the yearly extensions for me. It costs a little more but it avoids the trips to immigration (which I have to do almost constantly on this ED visa). I have a friend who's been doing it this way for many years and he's quite happy with it.

So beyond those items are there other issues I will have? Other reasons I do not want to go this in-country route?

Also thanks for taking the time to give such a detailed answer, appreciate it!
Bobby ********
@Craig *******
If you've no intention to return to your home country at any time, the OA is not suitable. As an Australian, I have to return for 45 days in any two year period to retain my tax exemption benefits in Australia, so for me it's a done deal. The O wouldn't really suit me, as I hate immigration and I'll never pay an agent. Many people are not aware of some of the benefits of the OA over the O as they seem to be frightened of having health insurance (which is totally alien to me). It's true in-country extensions you require a Thai insurance policy, which are ridiculously expensive for the amount of cover you get, so that's why I opt for border bounce at 12 months, and new OA at 24.
Craig ********
@Bobby *******
thanks very much for taking the time to give detailed replies, this has been extremely helpful
John ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Brandon ***********
ok... I had no idea my Non O was so different.. Besides insurance.. From an OA. live and learn ✌️
Bobby ********
@John *****
OA is more worthwhile if you visit your home country every 22-24 months and do one strategic border bounce just before the visa expiry date, getting a new OA in your home country each visit. No need to transfer money and can use home country insurance. Also never have to apply for an extension, so no visits to immigration office required.
Leonard *********
@Bobby *******
this has made me think about getting the OA again! I didn’t know I could use my Oz insurance (overseas ops) but regarding no need to transfer money, do they just accept evidence of my Government pension as a former public servant?
Bobby ********
@Leonard ********
I use my superannuation statement. I have a lump sum as well as a private pension.
Bernd ***********
@Bobby *******
you have to make sure you also have insurance for the "2nd year" of stay stamped in when you bounce shortly before your O-A visa finished.

If you extend O-A visa inside Thailand you will get O-extension and that will be always based on the original O-A visa, means you will also need insurance.

I will now change my O-A visa into O visa ( without insurance requirements )

by leaving the country when my "2nd year" is finished and apply outside for O visa and doing extension inside and now this will be based on an O visa.
Bobby ********
@Bernd **********
I know a lot of people are frightened of having health insurance. I'm not one of them, as the extra interest I make on that 800k (around 52,000 baht) easily covers the 30,000 cost of my health insurance policy, and I have that bonus of being covered for accident or illness and never have to start a GoFundMe begging account when a motorcyclist sends me flying! The double bonus is no need to go to an immigration office. For me, it's a total no brainer.
Bernd ***********
@Bobby *******
I also preferred O-A before and insurance I got my German one which supplied all necessary signed docs for my O-A visa and I will keep that one even it's not mandatory for O visa.

I also know immigration could be a pain in the a ..

Nevertheless , COVID teached me it's not that bad to do all the visa stuff inside the country.

I will change from O-A to O.
Craig ********
@Bobby *******
interesting. this is news to me too. I'm currently on an ED visa and just before that expires the final time (at 1 year) i will qualify for the retiree visa. Was planning to just stay in country and tranfer visa types.

What other disadvantages does this have for me?
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