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Are you really locked into using an agency for visa renewals in Thailand?

Jan 8, 2026
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Jump****
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I have a general question about using agencies for your Visa needs instead of doing it yourself? I see a lot of posts on this board saying that once you use an agency, they lock you into using them in the future. I was hoping to gain insight on what this means? I understand that if you go to them for one item, they may sell you a whole package to say get a retirement visa extension, bank open, open, etc. However, if you do an initial package with them, are you required to use them annually and will anything bad happen if you choose to do your renewals at immigration on your own in the future? I don’t understand when people say that you are ‘locked in’ into using an agent in perpetuity unless something sketchy is going on? Any insight?
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Many expats question whether using a visa agency for Thai immigration needs locks them into using the same agency for future applications. Insights reveal that while some agencies may encourage continued use by complicating financial requirements, expats are not legally tied to an agency once they meet the necessary financial documentation. The concept of being 'locked in' mainly arises from the financial stipulations associated with retirement visas, such as maintaining a specific bank balance, leading to misconceptions about agency dependency. Ultimately, though using an agent may simplify processes, it is not mandatory for future renewals if financial obligations are met independently.
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Thai visa center is an agent too and they are admin in this group. Why do not you ask them directly??? They have answers.
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I’m writing this from experience if you stick 800k in your thai bank it has to be in a single savings account you cannot have a joint account . In case of your unexpected death even tho you have made a thai will to get the bank to release your monies requires getting a lawyer who then has to apply to the courts in order for the court to issue an order for the bank to release the funds this is a very lengthy process and can take many months
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Wayne *******
@Ossie ********
you can have the bank account in your name only then you can add your wife as a signatory allowing her to take the money upon your demise.
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@Wayne ******
that’s a new one on me which bank is that as it’s not SCB or K Bank
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Wayne *******
@Ossie ********
bkk bank,
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that’s funny because it was the Bangkok bank where he had his funds in I was the executor of the will and his estate was willed to a well known Thai family who accompanied me to the bank ! Are you telling me that the bank have accepted a signatory on your 800 k individual savings account I’d like to see the paperwork if that’s the case . I presume you have a Thai will !!!
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Hey Ossie, banks won’t let you but a beneficiary notice on your account in case of death to prevent this?
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Jumper25 This is Thailand they don’t always work the same as back home . I now use an agent have done so due to this issue my money is now in a joint account in my home country and I send money over In small amounts via Wise when needed
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The one time that I heard a viable reason why you should not use an agent was when the visa process was done in a province far from where the person lived. once you do a visa you are locked into that location for the rest of your duration here in Thailand.
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they already explained it to you it is about the financial requirements ...if you use an agent for a non 0 based on marriage you will need to prove next year you had the money in the bank account for 14 months not 2 months to keep you locked in the system ..even with people like me who have money every year they tried to ask new things that were never asked before to make you annoyed so you use the agent ..the reason are pretty obvious this year they asked me to go back and take a picture of me and my wife in the garage where the cars are...or they ask the house registration of the kids...or anything they want to
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@Iker ******
retirement, not marriage.
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@Iker ******
Not even close to same story. Agents rarely help with marriage extensions, and there is no requirement to keep funds in the bank after the marriage extension.
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@Brandon ***********
of course there is 2 months before 1 month later .. you can not touch the money until the visa is granted ..... you don't need to keep 400k for all year
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Brandon ************
@Iker ******
There is no "1 month later"

There is no retrospective check at all. You just need to show 2 months of funds. So this entire conversation is irrelevant to this post.
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To make this clear, If you know all about Thailand, language, culture, their process, or whatever, there is no reason to hire agents at all. You can do it by yourself in easy way. There are some foreigners who do this by themselves. or if you have your Thai wife who also knows well and have skills about all doing by herself, no agents needed, Your thai wife is doing as good agent. no doubt on this. And, if someone has just good luck, all things can be done easy by himself without any assistance. Also, if someone has so many free times to do it by himself, and fine with getting through all nonsense Thai authority things, like bank, immigration or other authorities, he or she can do it alone without agents. By Thai law, Visa agents are totally legal and hiring agents for any of authority issues is also total legal. Like, if you go to lawful issue, you hire lawyer for you. And the lawyer does everything for you. But if you know all about laws, or yourself is a lawyer, you do not need to hire any lawyer. You do it alone by yourself. No agent, no extra cost. That is better for everyone. But in fact, there are foreigners who do not know about Thailand at all, or no skills or knowhow how to do it so,, or sensitive on stress or headache when problems with Thai authorities. and enough money to pay for them, and Time is so valuable for them. They do not want to spend their valuable time for such thai authorities. Or someone who is not in good health, so he better get relaxed and peace while his agent works for him. It is really up to individual options to hire agent or not. There are also people here who are satisfied with their agents and their jobs done, and they want to hire their agents for long time. This can make their life easy in Thailand and they are able to pay for agents . If I have enough money for that, I would hire agents to work for me all the time while I am relaxed or focus on my productive activities. Again, all up to personal choice and circumstance.
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@Kevin *******
cheers kev
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@Andy ********
I’ve invited you to another good one , some interesting posts on there
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One thing to keep in mind is that falsifying bank accounts/statements is actually fraud and carries penalties if investigated.
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@Tom *******
No one does that. That's not how agents work. They get bank statements directly from your bank.
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@Brandon ***********
showing fraudulent funds that have been added and taken away
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@Tom *******
it's real money. Not fraudulent. You should stop talking
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Deepak *******
I have used multiple agents to get my O's retirement visa for five years. I might have used three agents. I have now switched to DTV, which I did myself, and I am free from all Thai bureaucratic nonsense.
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@Deepak ******
can I ask what course you are doing or is it work
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Roger *********
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is DTZ valid for one year or longer? THANKS
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@Roger ********
DTV is for 5 years
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Bill *********
You are absolutely not locked in to using the agent. I started my retirement Visa process with a great agent and I can choose to use her or not. Of course I do because anything immigration related automatically goes to her. I have better things to do with my time!
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as a general rule you're not locked in if you do actually have the money and you're only using the agent to help gather documents and queue for you at your own local immigration, but you are fully qualifying by the rules you could do yourself. In that case absolutely you can do it yourself in the future.

It's people using agents who don't have the money that have the issue of being stuck with an agent.
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@Ivan ***********
They do not have the money? where? in Thailand? Yes, maybe they do not want to have money in Thai bank. Actually risk is high in Thai bank. And no profit at all. When they do this way with agent, they already know they need agent again and again. But anyway, most of them want to hire agents for extension or something like that. They also know they have to pay for that. But they buy their relax and comfort from their service. Nothing is free. So they must pay. Maybe one day, if Thai bank gives more trust on them, they will transfer their money into Thai bank. But most of them want still to use agent. Agent service is so comfortable, it could be addictive to them. Stuck with agents? no but addictive to agents service yes. 😂
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@Yo***
I'm just explaining how it works, not passing any value judgement. I understand why people do this, I understand why even if they have the money at home they don't want to lock it up for a year earning next to nothing.

If you use an agent to help with the visa but actually do have your own money in the bank, there will be no requirement to keep with the agent the next year.

If you use an agent that fakes the money, you very possibly will be locked in to using an agent again, because (1) you won't have met the ongoing 400k and money before criteria, and (2) very often these agents get the extension in a province other than where you are living.

Not everyone does understand the issues and the differences between using an agent just to help and using an agent to fake the criteria.
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@Ivan ***********
thanks for your kind explanation. What you say is maybe right. But actually I do not know. or more over, I can not know how the agent do. If what you said is right, there are still people to use agents, even they fulfilled requirements and they can do it by themselves. To be honest, I do not think that the agent fee is not so unreasonable. What I just wanted from the agent is just give me what I wanted and I paid for. That is just a business for both. Others I have no interest and do not want to know. The Agents surely do not want to tell me about it. That is their business skill and knowhow. To be sure, I think no one wants the agent to fake the criteria. Even, when you asked them if what they are doing is illegal? All agents said, That is not illegal at all. so believe or not, we can not find it out if it is legal or illegal or path way or whatever it called. The clear thing is that the stamp on the passport from them is clearly not a fake. About money in to Thai bank, I know some, who do not want to put their money into Thai bank, even they have enough money in home country. Their concern is not zero profit in Thai bank, but sudden frozen or closing the account for no reason. As many got that problems in Bangkok bank. Some of them could not transfer their money into banks because it was frozen. Who will transfer money into frozen account? I think this can happen at any time again not only in Bangkok bank but also other Thai banks.. so unfortunately they had to stop transferring the money. opening a new account in other thai banks? some of them can not do this because they are not in Thailand. And there are many different reasons I knew. What I know about Thailand, a bit only, Thailand has their own rules. Agents or officers live on them and make money by them. they used this as many as they can. This rules we foreigners can not know. That is Thailand problem. Not mine. simple and easy.
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All of this is very interesting, to hear all of your perspectives. I can see all the sides as someone who is now entering the country to live for the first time. I will at least initially try to do it on my own, but if it’s a pain in the ass, I may use an agent down the line as well.

My reservations about using an agent have to do with what was written earlier in this thread. I don’t like the idea of being locked in every year for something that I can do on my own. If I wanted to stop using the agent by the time my extension rolled around and I had to produce a 12-month history at my bank, it would not show that the money was seasoned per the visa requirements during the year. It would show that the agent put in the money and then took it out. For that, they could cancel my visa and fine me, and then I’d have to start the process again. Again, this is only if I chose to start doing it myself and didn’t pre-plan and deposit the money 12 months earlier in the manner they require. So there are positives and negatives to both sides and from what I’ve learned here.

I’m certainly not an authority, but if the fear is worrying about losing the money in an unstable bank, it’s my understanding that Thai banks protect 1 Million THB (or 30k) under the DPA, the same way the FDIC protects depositors in the US for 250k USD. So if you look at banking in Thailand as a question of mitigating risk, as long as you’re not sending over all your money and you’re basically using it to hold the 800k for the visa requirements, I imagine it’s best to set up proper estate planning when you arrive to mitigate your wishes if you pass. That’s my thinking anyway, but perhaps I’m looking at things too simplistically as a foreigner without rights. Everyone’s family situation is different. At any rate, thanks to all the posters here because it helps plan better.
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Thanks Anthony, that’s different than in the US. The tellers don’t handle your bank books or records. Interesting, but thanks for the clarity.
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Jumper25 you have got to get the bank book updated on the day of extension due to the fact atm transaction don’t show on your book so u could have drawn all the money out using atms but cos your book hasn’t been updated you book still shows the money in your account
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Anthony Lawson their country their rules, but pretty tedious🤣
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where I did it myself because I’ve found that I’ve got plenty of time on my hands…. And in reality from entering Thailand , getting a bank account,getting a CoE and then doing my extension ( bank statement / bank book update and immigration) probably took up about 6 hours of my time total
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@Bill ********
typo .. CoR ( the r is next to the e on a keyboard ) so yes certificate of residency.

Basically yes …when u go bank do a small transaction at counter ( put 100 in or take 100 out ) and they will update your book . It has to be done on the same day as extension .

At the same time , in the bank , I asked them for a statement , which only covers 3 months as I had only put the money in 2 months earlier and I asked for a confirmation of account letter for immigration ( the girl at counter knew exactly what I wanted )
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If I remember correctly 15b for transaction and 200b for statement and confirmation letter
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Hey Anthony, I’ll be doing it on my own as you did because I like to learn things, and because Thailand is always changing requirements. I would just prefer to do this particular thing according to what they request if I can. A few questions about your post. What is a COE? Did you mean COR-certificate of residence? Also, in relation to doing the extension, I’m aware of the need for a bank statement showing I have met the financial requirements, but what is the bank book update? Is that the same thing? Thanks..
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@Anthony *******
actually you are so energetic!! I could not do that by myself. I just opened a bank account in Thailand by myself, it took so many times, costs and efforts.. I was knocked down after that. Just opened a bank account. So I confirmed, no more doing this things alone, always hire agents. This is my experience and my choice. 🤣
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@Yo***
I’m sorry it didn’t work for you…. I research ( on this site ) got everything I needed ( and things I didn’t ) and it was plain sailing for me . But everyone has their own experience, some good and some not so good .
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If and when possible, I prefer to outsource tasks that I don't have time or interest in doing, especially since it's not big money. For something as important as my future in Thailand, I'd rather have an expert on the job. People are free to choose what works for them.
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Kar **********
Reading through these comments is making my head spin…..why is it so complicated?
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@Kar *********
it is not complicated at all. This is Thailand. In Thailand, such authorities have so many different rules by person to person. the same condition, but results are different. Some got approval, some got rejected. Under the same condition. Even, the same person but sometimes rejected too. In my experiences, I really found this out after extra costs and so many stress and efforts for nothing. I would better hire agents to do this before I started to do it alone. 😅
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@Kar *********
It’s not complicated if you come on an OA, have acceptable insurance,and then continue with your OA with yearly extensions. I came on an OA and had it for 6 years before switching to an LTR which also needs insurance.
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Marty, I may have asked you this before, but on the years you were on the OA, did you only use Thai health insurance companies from the list that they allow or did you ever use CIGNA worldwide? 
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Jumper25 I came to Thailand in 2017. In 2018 I knew I was going to stay in Thailand and that my US insurance wouldn’t cover me here adequately. I decided to buy into Pacific Cross. In 2019 they implemented the insurance requirement for the OA visa. My Pacific Cross policy easily qualified for the new requirement. I’m glad I had Pacific Cross and kept it because it also qualified for the insurance requirement for my current pensioner LTR visa.

I’m happy with Pacific Cross but I’ve never made a claim so I can’t speak to that.
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Jumper25 you can have foreign insurance to get the visa and for the duration of your initial stay (almost 2 years if you re-enter near the end). It's only when you extend they require Thai insurance.

I don't have personal experience, not on this visa, but that's my understanding and why I would avoid it personally. Would be interested in what Marty has to relate.
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@Kar *********
how easy is it for someone to live in your country with regards to immigration?
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So why can you not take out the 800k then pay in to your Thai bank every month 66k or above to meet the requirements on the next extension
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one of that cases, why do not put 800,000 THB into a thai bank account?? I do not know other reasons, but some can think, yes, they do not trust thai banks. Recently bangkok bank sudden frozen thousands accounts for no reason. We know this well, and had experiences, or still ongoing. So, My account was frozen twice in 3 months for no reason. First time frozen, I did all they asked, and unfrozen after one month. At that time, the banker answered no more freeze of your account again. But after two months, suddenly frozen again. The same as the first time. Luckily I was in Thailand in the same place, so I could go to the bank and explained again and later unfrozen again. But what if I am in Thailand? my bank will close my account. So what about my bank statement or bank letters? do they issue it even my account is closed??? no way. tell me how many people can put their money into frozen account?? many people could not transfer
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THB or so for living in Thailand to their frozen account. It was stopped by banks. any better idea for this things? and who can be sure of this will never happen again? and who is in charge of this?? no one is responsible at all for this. I just say this for a case only. 😂
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สก็อต *********
thats fine but I have money coming every month which hits chase bank first then I send
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if you start putting the
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into your bank for 12 month , then at your extension change to monthly then you can send the 800,000 back into your home country’s bank account and then start transferring it back to your Thai bank at 65,000 a month to show international transfer. The transfer cost to do it means it’s really not worth it …
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No, if you wish you transfer 400k back after the 800k has sat there for the first 3 months of the extension then the remaining 400k when the next extension based on 65k is inked in. There is no reason to do monthly transfers going out only coming in.
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I never said anything about doing
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0after 3 months then the rest at renewal…, but again as I said the transfer fee to transfer it back ( to England in my case) really defeats the point
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@สก็อต ********
because you must meet the bank account requirements for the extension that you already received. And that money is already in Thailand, and the monthly transfers must be from outside of Thailand.
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Marty *********
You are not locked into using an agent if you already meet the financial requirements re bank account balance. Don’t believe the misinformation.
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@Marty ********
Then you are paying an agent to do the paperwork and application for you, not the same and no misinformation ;)
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Marty *********
If you were following the thread you would comprehend on the original misleading claim
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what misinformation?
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Basically it's if you can afford to have those funds tied up,for that amount of time,if you can't,an agent is your only option.
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@Graham *****
what is legal? Legal in your mind can not work in Thailand. Iegal or illegal makes only thailand. not you. That is why no one can ensure it. They can evict you or me at any time when they think we are illegal. This kinds of things happen everywhere in the world. PS) you think you do things legally in Thailand, but Thailand can think you do illegally in Thailand. If you do not agree or object, go to law process and win your case! however, you can not win immigration things of a country. Immigration is totally up to a decision of a country. Your country the same.
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@Yo***
use a dictionary
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@Graham *****
be healthy and enjoy your life! life is not long you know this well. 👍
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@Graham *****
🤦🤦🤦🤷🤷🤷told you the fact, but you still do not understand or do not want to understand. Just wasting my valuable time for nothing. Ok, you win! and keep going ! good luck to you! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@Dave *********
Or put another way, if you cannot afford to have that amount of money tied up then you're not ready to come to Thailand and retire. Just stay where you are.
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@Bill ********
You can never win against the wannabee "expat" who have no real idea of what the word even means. It certainly never meant to be too poor as to fulfil a country's immigration requirements and thus be required to pay a bribe to the immigration authorities so they "overlook" the lack of funds.

Equally, I suggest the vast majority of expats' "wealth" is not derived from decades of wise investment and business dealings but is otherwise limited to some perfunctory company pension, an old age government pension and whatever they have left from selling the family silver, aka the family house, after being divorced by their ex wife.

So the average Thailand expat is somewhat impoverished but feels awfully entitled and hates having the truth put before him, though as long as he has a case of Leo or Chang to pacify him and a couple of cheap hookers to play with, he'll survive and think he's won life's lottery.
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@Bill ********
I would assume 1000s of people many with homes and families according to your thinking should leave them ..Thailand or UK i do not know anyone with a spare 20k to leave sitting around!
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@Andy ******
I had my financial retirement planning underway years ago. Among my circle of friends all of them can layout $20K. So I stick with my comment that if this is impossible then retirement is not in the cards.
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@Bill ********
different lifestyles different friends... ..nothing more
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The 800k "sits around" for just over 5 months and the 400k for the rest of the first year. A small price to pay for ensuring you are 100% legal and not tied to an agent year after year. ;)
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@Graham *****
ensuring? Ensuring your stay permit? No one can ensure this. Foreigners are foreigners forever, until you get citizenship. Even, you got pr but you can be kicked out at any time. You surely know this. Nothing can ensure it. 😂 PS) even a citizenship can be cancelled.
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Precisely. And should one change their mind and exit Thailand you get all of your money back. Not like it's gone forever.
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Thanks Brandon. So clear! This makes perfect sense. As I don’t wanna be tied to an agent, I still plan on doing this myself, but thanks for clarifying the main reason.

Separately, I’m entering Thailand on a non-immigrant OA because I planned to get health insurance anyway. I’m a little confused as to which immigration mechanism requires the 800 K in your bank of to have the designation that it “came from overseas”.  I know there’s no issue if you’re sending funds via swift, and I’m aware of the issue using the Wise app because they use an intermediary bank at Kasikorn,  but in terms of getting an extension of stay to the non-immigrant OA after a year, is there an immigration requirement that it designated that it came from overseas, or is that designation requirement only for the initial deposit if one was entering on a traditional non-immigrant O visa?
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Jumper25 The OA is not a good option, even if you plan to have insurance. Because you do not get to choose your own insurance, you have to pick from the approved list. Forever.

The international funds requirement only comes into place in 2 circumstances.

1) you are converting from tourist to non-O visa inside of Thailand at an immigration office.

2) You are using monthly transfers into your bank account to satisfy the financial requirements sometime after your first extension.

So that shouldn't really affect you if you are coming with a non-immigrant visa and intend to extend that.
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Thanks Brandon. I chose the OA, perhaps naïvely, because I didn’t want the uncertainty of arriving, and then waiting for the extension. That said, in contrast to what I’ve learned on these boards, they are approving my OA with my choice of health insurance (at least initially), being Cigna worldwide, since Cigna filled out the foreign certificate requirement which many other insurances won’t do.

The question still remains, and I think you appropriately brought it up elsewhere, what will happen at my one year when I extend? If they try to force me to switch health insurance insurances, I may want to also switch to the non-immigrant O, which I imagine will be a pain in the ass once I’m in Thailand. But I don’t see a remedy at this point as I’m entering on the OA in the next few weeks. It seems that there are agencies that will let me establish a non-immigrant O from within Thailand at the end of my year on the OA, but I don’t know if this is the smartest option or if immigration will let me do it from within Thailand? In your opinion, what would be the easiest way to change to the non-immigrant O after a year on the OA? If I have to leave, would I be possible to go to a neighboring country like Vietnam and do it from there? 
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Jumper25 So the non-OA gives you a 1-year entry stamp every time you enter until the expiration date on the visa. It will be 1-year, or until the end of your insurance, whichever is lesser. That means at the end of your non-OA visa, you can take out a new year of insurance, and then leave and return just before it expires to get another year.

Once your entry stamp is running out of time, you only have 2 options. Apply for a 1-year extension from immigration, which will require proof of funds AND a 1-year insurance policy from the embassy list, or leave Thailand.

The only way to switch to a non-O will be to leave Thailand and let your permission to stay lapse, and then apply for a non-O visa. You can either do that from a Thai embassy wherever you left to, or return to Thailand as a tourist and apply for a non-O from your immigration office (which would require the 800,000 to show as an international transfer) (Not all immigration offices allow this conversion).

Then you can start doing it on your own without the mandatory insurance.
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... Is 800k required to stay in my account for 3 months after an extension before I can switch to the 65k deposit per month method, or can the 800k be withdrawn immediately?
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If you are switching to the 65k method the 65k can be withdrawn immediately on receipt, it is just the 800k/400k that has to be maintained to meet your commitment for the current extension.
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In order to switch to 65,000 per month, you have to meet BOTH requirements for a year.

So say you want to switch to 65,000 for your 2nd extension (the first time it would be possible). You get your first 1-year extension with 800,000 in your Thai bank account. This first extension has the requirements that you keep 800,000 in your bank account for 3 months after you receive it, and your bank can never drop below 400,000. Those are the rules for that entire year of the extension. During this year, you would also be doing monthly transfers of 65,000 baht from overseas.

Then for year 2 extension, your bank statement needs to show that you met the previous rules, the 800k for 3 months, never below 400k. And you also have to be able to show 12 full months of 65k per month transfers.

Then once you get this year 2 extension based on monthly transfers, you can stop keeping your bank account at a minimum balance but must continue the monthly transfers moving forward.
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....thanks, Brandon, appreciate your thorough response.
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Most people that use an agent do so to avoid the requirement to keep 800,000 baht for their application.

One of the requirements for the ongoing retirement extensions is that your Thai bank account must be at 800,000 for 2 months before your extension application, and then 3 months after. It can never drop below 400,000 baht the remainder of the year, and must be back up to 800,000 for next year's extension.

When you go for the next year's extension, they require a 12 month bank statement to ensure you met those requirements from the previous extension (800k for 3 months after you received it, and 400k the remainder).

If you use an agent for the funds, you will not be able to show this 12 month bank statement and they will deny your extension based on failing to meet last year's requirements. Therefore you'll need to use an agent again (not necessarily the same agent) to get your extension.

There are a few other reasons that can lock you into using agents, but this is the primary one.
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Caroline *******
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- your replies are always clear, concise and unambiguous.

And you're very knowledgeable. I know you're a Mod, but do you live in Thailand.. and how do you keep on top of these things? 🙏
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I live in Thailand off and on. And I'm in multiple visa groups and forums and read every post every day. Have to stay up to date!
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- well, you do a great job!
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Reg ***********
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💯 a friend of mine used an agent for the same reason, he later deposited 800,000 to do it himself and the discrepancy was pointed out by the immigration officer and after a 10,000 baht "fine" he got his extension a d a warning 😀
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Tom ********
@Brandon ***********
Very sensible and correct post
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Nicholas ************
@Brandon ***********
nice clear response 👍
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Doug *******
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But if you use an agent for the first 12 month extension you CAN later leave Thailand, get a NEW non O visa, then return and redo the whole bank process without an agent, right?
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Of course. There are also ways to switch to doing it yourself without starting over, but it requires at least a year of planning
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Well I have learned a ton of accurate info from reading your comments over the past eight months.

Now I need to learn and prepare for “ways to switch to doing it yourself without starting over”…
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yes there is always a way to do this. But it does not depend on you. it depends on the immigration officer who you face. If he or she says No. it is No. reason? he or she will just say, sorry this is a policy. That is all you can get. your documents are perfect? yes, but that is only you think. Your opinions are not important at all for immigration. The immigration officer is that all. Your documents are not perfect at all? But the immigration officer says Ok? You got approved. That is all. You do not provide right document that is required? but luckily your immigration officer never asks it? or never find the lack? and pass it? yes, you got approved. you are just very lucky. That is all. That is why, I think the main reason of hiring agent is this kind of things. to dramatically reduce non sense result. As you find here, so many different results by person, even the same condition. Whatever, the choice is really up to you. Good luck to you.
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One bit of confusion to clear up. Since my non-immigrant OA is approved in the US, when do I technically have to have the 800 K in a Thai bank for the extension of stay application at the end of my first year? I’m aware that I can get that free second year, but for the sake of an example, if I extend at the end of the first year, would the 800 K need to have been in my Thai bank account only two months before I apply for extension? In other words, since this would be my first year in Thailand, do I need to have put 400k in an account right when I land this month to be in compliance with a 12-month look back for the extension of stay? Or does that only apply at the second year extension? 
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Jumper25 no, the first extension only has a 2 month requirement
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