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Why do many expats choose a Non-O visa for retirement over a Non-OA visa in Thailand?

Leonard *******
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Apart from insurance, why do so many get Non O visa for retirement rather than Non OA, which to me seems so much easier with a year to prepare for your extension?

Or is it just to avoid insurance?

Thanks
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Many expats opt for the Non-O visa for retirement instead of the Non-OA visa primarily to avoid stringent insurance requirements associated with the Non-OA visa. The Non-O visa allows individuals to apply while in Thailand and often with the help of agents who can assist in meeting the bank balance requirement of 800,000 baht, which is a barrier for some applicants. The Non-OA visa necessitates having insurance from specific providers, which may not offer favorable coverage options. Additionally, some expats may have prior criminal histories that influencing their choice of visa. Thus, the preference for the Non-O visa seems to stem from a combination of practical, financial, and personal considerations.
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Brook ********
Brook ********
My non-o takes about 15 minutes a year of my time to renew.

Thai health insurance companies are sketchy at best.

They can cancel you or decline a policy for any reason including being overweight.
GreenPa*******
GreenPa*******
So, having 800,000 in a Thai bank, at today's exchange rates equivalent to , or should I say when I wrote this post for those more pendantic of us here!

£18,860, $24,721.46 A$38,256 and not to forget the Euros €21,453.60. sitting in a Thai bank accruing 0.25%, they may even stretch to 1% interest paid minus tax of course.

Now, the above amounts sitting in a bank back in your home country, would attract... Say 4%?

Probably more if you invest it in higher/fixed term

So you would be getting a return of roughly €858.

So what do you pay an agent to handle all the paper work for you and hold your hand through the process. First time, yes expensive, but when renewing paying some where in the region of €375-€536!

So, with money back home you would be gaining!

But, go which every way you wish. So it is not always a case, as expounded on here by many a disgruntled expat, that people using agents do not have the money, it is maybe a case of they are putting it to better use than leaving it languishing in a Thai bank
Brook ********
Brook ********
GreenPapaya279 I earn almost 2% at SCB. it’s not great, but it’s a hedge against inflation. Plus the money is in country if the hospital demands advanced payment for whatever reason.
Yo***
Yo***
GreenPapaya279 agreed half. but, this, that people using agents do not have the money, is not always true. You wear a white and black eye glass. If a foreigner has no money, how can he pay for agents fees? general Agents fee in total service is more than
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THB at once and even pay in advance? 🤣
GreenPa*******
GreenPa*******
@Yo***
80,000 THB. Wow never heard or seen that much being asked, normally around 50,000 thb, €1341, for first time and 14,000 to 20,000 thb, renewal
Lynnette *******
Lynnette *******
Non-OA needs insurance from a limited choice of companies with less than favourable cover. The visa is only valid for the same duration dates of the insurance. Non-O you can buy whatever insurance you prefer.
Colin **********
Colin **********
@Lynnette ******
Thai General Insurance Association (TGIA). Their website longstay.tgia.org provides an approved list of member insurance companies that offer health insurance plans compliant with the O-A visa health insurance requirements
Tony **********
Tony **********
Some people also have long ago criminal history (some as simple as possession of marijuana, others more offensive). People like to leave their last behind and not have to defend it when it's no longer relevant...
Brook ********
Brook ********
@Tony *********
the Thai criminal record check is a joke, just like the health exam.
Tony **********
Tony **********
@Brook *******
were not talking a Thai criminal check, is from your home country.
Tony **********
Tony **********
@Brook *******
you keep asking about corner cares. Why are you being so adversarial? The post has nothing to do with Thai background or health checks. I don't set requirements for oa visas, so suggest you direct your questions to the Thai embassy in whatever country you're applying from.
Brook ********
Brook ********
@Tony *********
if I move to Germany tomorrow is a German background check sufficient?
Brook ********
Brook ********
@Tony *********
does it really?
Tony **********
Tony **********
@Brook *******
whichever country you are applying for an non-OA visa. As i understand it, it is to be a federal criminal background check
Brook ********
Brook ********
@Tony *********
which home country. The one where I live, the one where I was born or the one on my second passport?

Which county? Which state?
Marty *********
Marty *********
I had an OA from 2017-2023. There was no insurance requirement back in 2017. I bought Thai insurance in 2018 because my US insurance wouldn’t cover me as a long term resident of Thailand. When they added the insurance requirement to the OA in 2019 it didn’t affect me but many people switched from their OA to an O. I guess the insurance alone was the motivation. Since then I have to believe that insurance is still keeps some people from the OA. I often hear people say they want to keep their current home country insurance and don’t want an additional minimum policy just to qualify for an OA when the O is available. All those people using agents are, of course, getting an O visa.

I kept 800,000฿ in my Thai bank account all those years. I got a pensioner LTR in 2023 so I got the 800k back and I am glad to have had the insurance because the LTR has an insurance requirement too.
Oo *****
Oo *****
Insurance gets more expensive as you age. I just put money aside instead of paying for it.
Paul *************
Paul *************
@Oo ****
same here, I started with a quote of 54 pound a month.

By time I told them, I have plates and screws in the shoulder damage knee, and had a heart attack last year. It went up to over 250 pound a month.

And my pre conditions are not included which makes no sense if I had a heart attack.I am not covered but am paying a premium because they know i'm liable to have one so I too, do the pay as you go option
Oo *****
Oo *****
Great minds think alike. All ok. Take care, C u.
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
If you don't have bank savings of $
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us dollars, how can you contemplate retiring in any country?
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Frank **********
Frank **********
@Steve **********
easy if you use the monthly income method for your 2d year.
Richard ********
Richard ********
Stephen **********
Stephen **********
@Steve **********
I don't think having the savings amount is what some people don't like - it is having that money basically frozen in an account and that account doesn't even pay reasonable interest. At that point it isn't really savings anymore since you aren't free to spend it.

The benefit of leaving that money trapped is that you don't have to leave the country for a couple of days a year and you can get a local bank account to pay by QR code without incurring any related fees. If you travel outside of Thailand each year then the 180 day limit isn't really limiting. So you are trapping cash in a useless account for basically the benefits of paying by qr code.

The DTV can be advantageous for those that don't need the local account.
Doug *******
Doug *******
@Steve **********
Your question is sensible except the $25,000 USD “savings” is required to be held in a Thai bank and must be maintained at that amount for yearly extensions. So maybe some people have $50,000 USD in actual and accessible savings but it’s difficult to make one half of that generally inaccessible.
Liam ***********
Liam ***********
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
@Liam **********
where do you keep your pensions. Mine are in home country bank.
Deslea ********
Deslea ********
@Steve **********
Lots of people have capital but prefer to keep it in productive assets in their country of origin.
Robin *******
Robin *******
@Steve **********
we don’t all use US dollars we use euros and pounds and kronars
Tony ********
Tony ********
Irrelevant
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
@Robin ******
does it matter? Poster mentioned he didn't have the required BAHT
Peter ****************
Peter ****************
@Steve **********
It's getting a bit off-topic but when you forget te visa requirements for a moment, even with 25.000 USD savings, you cannot retire in almost any country without some monthly income.

It's not relevant to me (I still can have an income statement) but I can imagine that when you have only

e.g. savings of 10.000 USD but a retirement income of e.g. 2.000 USD a month, you can have a nice life in Thailand.
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
@Peter ***************
true, but either low income or no clue how to save. For original post.
David ******
David ******
@Steve **********
that is what I can not wrap my head around either. I suppose different people have different circumstances but I tell even people that just travel on vacation you should have access to at least $20,000 just on general principal, as you never know what kind of emergency you may encounter out of the country. Might need for jail if you caused injury to someone else. Might need for any number of emergencies not just medical.
Leonard *******
Leonard *******
OP
Thanks Garrett. Makes sense. I’m at home so I didn’t think of that.
Garrett ***********
Garrett ***********
A lot of people don't have the 800k baht (in their home country), so they do the Non-O in thailand and pay an agent here to cover the money. Also, you have to be in your home country to apply for it, which many people aren't/don't want to fly back for. Other than that, the Non-OA is the more convenient visa.
Herbert *******
Herbert *******
@Garrett **********
Well that's what I thought too, I had a Non-OA with multiple entry and arrived at Suvarnabuma on the 22.Nov.. Immigration asked for the Health Insurance certificate. My Insurance, which I have for many years, starts September and is renewable every year. The Officer stamp in my Passport shows my stay until September 2026 and not for 12 months, as my visa from the Embassy stated. Also, there was no re-entry stamp. So much for the Non OA visa !!!!
Garrett ***********
Garrett ***********
@Herbert ******
Non-OA is a multiple entry visa. "Reentry stamps" are only for single entry visas... Also, for the Non-OA you only get stamped in the as long as your insurance is valid for. If you reenter Thailand with 1 year insruance before the OA expires, you'll be stamped in for another yera.
Sam *****
Sam *****
@Herbert ******
each time you come in on your OA you will only be stamped until your insurance validity. Go out buy insurance til the end of your visa and you will get stamped in until that date next time.
Kemal ******
Kemal ******
@Garrett **********
You can apply for Non OA in your home country or Thailand. I did apply in the UK, you need approximately £21.000 savings, medical certificate, police report, insurance certificate covering 100.000 USD or 3 million Baht. I also applied in Thailand, the requirements were 800.000 in the bank, medical insurance, Registration of the address and some pictures. Applying in the UK takes about 2 days to receive the visa by email. In Thailand, if the correct documents are submitted 1 hour. You don't need to go back to your home country to apply for a Non OA visa.
Garrett ***********
Garrett ***********
@Kemal *****
You cannot apply for a Non-OA inside thailand.
Deepak *******
Deepak *******
Kemal Atli, when you obtain a Non-OA visa in Thailand, do they place a visa sticker in your passport or provide you with a visa stamp similar to the Non-O? I have never heard of an OA visa in Thailand.
Deepak *******
Deepak *******
@Chris ******
I know, I did Non-OA for 10 years until they mandated health insurance. I switched to an agent-assisted Non-O for five years, and now I switched to a DTV visa and am completely free from the hassle of Thai bureaucracy. I refused to keep 800 baht in a Thai bank.
Chris *******
Chris *******
@Deepak ******
YOU CANNOT obtain an OA inside Thailand. You can get a non-o 90 day if you have a bank account already
Deepak *******
Deepak *******
@Garrett **********
I did Non-OA for 10 years until they mandated health insurance. I switched to an agent-assisted Non-O for five years, and now I switched to a DTV visa and am completely free from the hassle of Thai bureaucracy. I refused to keep 800 baht in a Thai bank.
Garrett ***********
Garrett ***********
@Deepak ******
Agree, even if I was over 50, I'd still opt for the DTV over the Non-O.

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