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What should I do if my Thai wife passes away before me, considering I own a villa in her name?

Willi*****
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I purchased an 18 million baht villa,4br 4 bath 15m private pool 2 years ago in my Thai wife's name .I am 70 and she is 62.I have a Non-O retirement visa. What happens if she dies before me (unlikely,I know)?Thai will leaving the property to me a possibility?I have received advice from every farang expat sports bar in Phuket and the responses have ranged from " you fckn idiot" to "I feel very sorry for you,I hope her family enjoys moving into your home".Anyone have a teensy weensy bit more optimistic advice on what I could do?😁
Answer summary
This post discusses concerns regarding property rights for a foreigner in Thailand whose Thai wife holds a villa in her name. The main issue is what would happen to the property and living arrangements if the wife passes away first. Various comments suggest legal avenues such as establishing a usufruct (a legal right to use and enjoy the property during one’s lifetime), having a will that specifies inheritance, and signing a 30-year lease to ensure long-term living rights. The importance of consulting a lawyer for proper legal arrangements is emphasized to avoid negative outcomes and ensure protection of one's rights.
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Neil ******
Neil ******
Go to a lawyer get an agreement drawn up if the wife dies first you get to live in it for the rest of your life you decide who lives there during that period. When you die house reverts to whoever your wife decides as she is the owner and you care you will be a puff of smoke in the chimney
Marcus ******
Marcus ******
Usufruct and superficies are the way forward. Brief description below both are perfectly legal and I would suggest you do your own research on both, then contact a competent property lawyer.

Superficies:

Under the civil law systems—such as those in Thailand, France, and Germany—a Right of Superficies (often called สิทธิเหนือพื้นดิน in Thai) is an agreement that allows one person to own a building or plantation, while another person owns the underlying land.

It allows individuals (such as foreigners who are restricted from owning land in Thailand) to legally own the villa or house they built on leased land outright.

Usufruct:

While it shares similarities with the right of superficies, usufruct provides enjoyment and usage rights rather than physical ownership of the structures. It is one of the most common legal tools used by foreigners to secure lifelong residential security over land they cannot legally own directly.

So Usufruct contract for the land and a Superficies for the house or building on the land.
Gary *********
Gary *********
This post does not make sense, How long have you known your wife and family before you invested the 18 million?
Bo**
Bo**
1- manage the “show-boat” (pomposity )

2- Go to 1, repeat as needed it.
Terry ********
Terry ********
A friend of mine was in this situation. His wife died and he inherited the property. He had to sell it within a year and a day.

He sold it to his underage son who lived with him for ONE baht!
Kay ***********
Kay ***********
You get 50%
David **********
David **********
Better get a lawyer son better get a real good one
Dave ******
Dave ******
Talk to
@John ********
asap. He will make it "safe" for you
William ***********
William ***********
I’m thinking you should have signed a lease with her and her estate that would protect your interests. Should have done that the day you purchased the property for her.
Jack *******
Jack *******
Definitely don't go to an attorney. Fucking stupid.
Andy ********
Andy ********
She will be fine! So the legal advice at the bar was lacking so you turn to Facebook? What gets me is you explicitly ask for bias advice! Statistically you have a 25% chance of outliving her. The time for due diligence is pre purchase.
Shawn ***********
Shawn ***********
Research Front man
Peter ************
Peter ************
I think you have options but talk to a real lawyer, a new lawyer. Also add your name to the chanote if you haven’t done so already. Good luck 🍀
Bernhard ***********
Bernhard ***********
Rent rent rent
Bernhard ***********
Bernhard ***********
Agree
Anne *******
Anne *******
Get a lawyer and a will.
Matti **********
Matti **********
Your wife should definitely make a Thai will. Without a will, the division will follow the legal split.

1. ​In the will, she can leave the house/building entirely to you. (The land may still be subject to restrictions.)

2. ​If she wants to ensure you can live in the house after her passing, she can grant you:

◦ ​A usufruct (lifetime right of use)

◦ ​A habitation right for life

◦ ​Or a 30-year lease agreement

3. ​These rights remain valid even after her death.

4. ​Contact a Thai lawyer who is familiar with inheritance and property law.

Here's the example:

If your Thai wife passes away without a will and you have no children, but she has 2 siblings, her estate is divided under Thai law as follows:

​

​According to the Thai Civil and Commercial Code (intestate succession):

• ​No children

• ​But there are full siblings

​→ You, the surviving spouse, receive ½ of the entire estate.

→ The remaining ½ is divided equally among the siblings

​This applies to all of her property (house, land, money, etc.), except where Thailand's foreign ownership restrictions prevent your permanent land ownership (explained below).

​⚠ Important: Land Inherited by a Foreigner in Thailand:

​Even though you are entitled to a share of the inheritance by law, Thai land law restricts foreign ownership.

​This means:

​✔ In principle, you can inherit the land

​but

​✘ You may not be allowed to keep it in your possession permanently.

​The general practice is as follows:

• ​You report the inheritance to the Land Office after the estate administration is complete.

• ​They may allow temporary possession of the land.

• ​Later, the Land Office may require you to sell the land within a specified timeframe (e.g., 180 days to 1 year).

• ​You get to keep the proceeds from the sale.

​The building (house) is a separate asset, and you can inherit and own the building even if you cannot own the land it stands on.
Sergio ********
Sergio ********
No possible now
Charles ******
Charles ******
Research,

Superficies and Usufructs

A combination of these two vehicles maybe a beneficiary to your personal situation.
Anthony **********
Anthony **********
I would investigate taking out a lease in your name at a peppercorn rate .

See a lawyer.
Deane ********
Deane ********
Houses and Villas (Leasehold)The Rule: Since foreigners cannot own land, buying a house, villa, or townhouse requires a dual-structure agreement. You can own the building (the structure) itself, but you must lease the land it sits on.The Lease: Land leases are legally capped at a maximum of 30 years, though renewal options (such as 30+30+30 structures) are commonly written into the contract.Building Ownership: You can legally register the house in your own name at the local Land Office, ensuring you own the structure even if the land is leased.
Werner *************
Werner *************
Deane Fisher renewal options no longer legal . You are at the mercy of the owner after 30 years
Arild **************
Arild **************
Deane Fisher 30 year. Not 90 not 180 ok.
K**
K**
Yes will lose every thing
Derek ***********
Derek ***********
Please contact
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Robert ************
Robert ************
Yes go to a solicitor you might need a usifrucks i might of spelled it wrong and do a will , everybody as a different approach to this .
Mick *****
Mick *****
Go see a lawyer, it's cheaper than you think. You need both the usufruct and a Thai will for her. She can leave the property to you, even though it will never be registered in your name. You have a set period to sell or transfer. Even if you sell the Usufruct is valid until the end of 30 years. This means you can live on in the house. We went and paid a lawyer and this is what they setup. Honestly I do not care what happens after I die, the house is hers to do as she wants after all she paid for it anyway. I just wanted to be protected in case something happened to my wife so me and the cats still had a home, I do not need protection from my wife.
Steven ***************
Steven ***************
Get a USUFRUCT !!!! Also have Thai Wills for each of You. Stop listening to sour, drunk Ex-pats in bars. Talk to a real lawyer.
Lin *****
Lin *****
ลอง จดสิทธิ เก็บกิน ที่กรมที่ดิน

Can I register a usufruct right for my foreign partner?

Yes. Under Thai law, you can register a usufruct right for your foreign partner, even though foreigners generally cannot own land in Thailand.

A usufruct gives the holder the right to:

* Live on the property

* Use and enjoy the property

* Receive benefits from it, such as rental income

The usufruct can be granted:

* For a fixed period of up to 30 years, or

* For the lifetime of the usufructuary (your foreign partner).

The registration must be made at the Thai Land Office, with documents such as:

* The original land title deed

* The landowner’s ID card and house registration

* The foreign partner’s passport

* An interpreter, if required by the Land Office.

Please note that a usufruct does not give the foreign partner ownership of the land. If the land is sold, the new owner must still respect the registered usufruct until it expires or ends according to its terms.
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
You can inherit it, but you can't keep it, and would have to sell it, unless you had an usufruct agreement signed for the property.
Michelle *****
Michelle *****
Get a lawyer YESTERDAY! Protect your rights as soon as possible

Can you add your name to the Deed? And add a 30 year exclusive use of the home lease or into the Will.
Lucha ******
Lucha ******
Don't listen to drunks in a bar, go and see a lawyer for advice and have them draw up two wills, one for you and one for your wife
Ossie *********
Ossie *********
My understanding is that I the death of the Thai spouse you are given a year to sell the property which is another scam as far as I’m concerned
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
Ossie Cassidy Correct. Not a scam at all, and allows him to get his money back.
Ossie *********
Ossie *********
Cool_Bananas_😎when people know he has to sell it they come in with super low price it happened to my friend it’s a scam you think what you want do you even own a property in Thailand
Heinz ******
Heinz ******
Not ask people in bar, not ask in Facebook.

Go to a lawyer and ask.
Michael *******
Michael *******
Ive just tried to get my name on the chanote, we have both been to the land office in Thalang twice now. I think it’s something you could have done a while ago! We have been flatly denied! Seems like the officers have had a new instruction. Next stop a lawyer.
Liam *********
Liam *********
@Michael ******
Do you mean usufruct or chanote? Saying you tried to get your name on the usufruct implies a usufruct already exists. It would be strange to have a usufruct that you're not on - who else would it be for? If you mean getting your name on the chanote, that would make more sense.
Michael *******
Michael *******
Liam O'Brien apologises liam my mistake! I meant the chanote! 👍🙄
Galenus ******
Galenus ******
You will have 1 year to sell it.

Better to fix things now.

Usufruct is the word. A lawyer required to set it up
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
Galenus Gold Correct and good advice.
Brad ********
Brad ********
Inheritance by foreigners in Thailand

Many people raise the question of whether a foreigner can inherit in Thailand. According to section 1639 of the Code, a foreigner can inherit from his spouse who is a Thai national. According to clause 93 of the Land Code, a foreigner that acquires property by inheritance in Thailand can have ownership over the property only after receiving approval of the Minister of Interior. It must be noted that the share of the foreigner must not exceed the limits described in section 87 of the Code.

That gives you some research material if you are named in her will and it is registered properly.
Jeremy ***********
Jeremy ***********
need to sell within a year if she passes and proceeds from the sale to you are according to her will
Gamalier ********
Gamalier ********
Don’t waste your time on fb go talk to a attorney
Andrew **********
Andrew **********
So basically you admit you have bought a property illegally?
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
Andrew Stephens Not at all. Did you read the post?
Andrew **********
Andrew **********
Cool_Bananas_😎I did , so his wife is the full owner of the house, full stop.
Willi*****
Willi*****
OP
Andrew Stephens and? So?🙄
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
Andrew Stephens Yes. But when legally married, he is the beneficiary of the property. A Thai will is also recommended. If his wife dies, the property passes to him, and he has to sell it.
Milo *********
Milo *********
If you ask about farang OFC they will say that
David ***********
David ***********
You get the house but have to sell it within 1 year. Don’t take my word for it as it is just something I had seen on Facebook a few years back and things always change I. Thailand, so seek some professional advice to be on the safe side
Jim *******
Jim *******
Follow
Matthew *********
Matthew *********
Golden rule still stands today. Don't purchase anything if not willing to walk away from it. Sadly but true. Thai government will do everything in its power to not help you. It's always considered a donation. To bad America doesn't apply their laws to Thais in America.
Lee *************
Lee *************
Land office usafruct
Cliff *********
Cliff *********
You need to make sure your district land office allows the Usufruct. Your name will go on the title in Thai.

You should have a will also.

If she predeceaces you, you will have about a year to get another owner to have the usufruct with.

No her family does not get it and cannot move in, etc.

Speak to a competent lawyer.
Sharon ********
Sharon ********
Go and get proper legal advice
Dean *********
Dean *********
Minimum 30 year lease in place

All done correctly
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
@Dean ********
A lease dies with the lease owner.
Mark ******
Mark ******
Cool_Bananas_😎 I had the option of having my foreign kids on the lease in case I died and the terms would transfer to them. I did not take that option and will be happy that my wife and kid will have a place to live and a valuable asset after I die.
Bä ****
Bä ****
Tell me ur screwed without telling me ur screwed…TROLL
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
Bä Ng Nope. If he is legally married, he will get the property and can sell it.
Willi*****
Willi*****
OP
Cool_Bananas_😎 Farang can never own the land.Cant sell the land.
Bob *********
Bob *********
You can go to the local government office and have something drawn up to the effect that you will have the use of the house until your death!

Cost is minimal and will have government stamps which you will need.
ปุ๊กปิ๊ก ***************
ปุ๊กปิ๊ก ***************
You need to ad your name on the house deed also , Usufruct / Usufructuary Right , the lawyer know how to ..?
GrayWal********
GrayWal********
If she dies, her family will get the house and you will be thrown out on the street without nothing.
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
GrayWallaby8130 Not correct, at least on paper. ;)
Ismael ***************
Ismael ***************
She could write a will leaving the house to whoever but stating that if she goes first, the house can't be sold until you pass.
J ****************
J ****************
If your wife is willing, you can arrange a long-term (30 yr) lease where you pay her a small fee.

If you have a young heir, you could set up a usafruct but that is only for the term of their life. I'm unclear if a property can be sold while under a usafruct. For that some legal research would be required.
Frank **********
Frank **********
Gaz ********
Gaz ********
You habe 12 months to sell
Gary *******
Gary *******
Dave Michael Young the housing market is not good and could take years to sell in the 18 mill market .. foreigners are not keen now with govt crackdown 🤔
Jeff ********
Jeff ********
She will give it to her family lmao you gonna be sleeping on the beach !! Good luck !!!
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
Jeff Peters That is incorrect, if he is legally married.
SemperFi ********
SemperFi ********
Jeff Peters you’re a dick head
Willi*****
Willi*****
OP
Jeff Peters corrupt government officials just removed all the sunbeds from my beach to keep the squillionaire farang resorts happy by eliminating their competition 😱😭
Will *****
Will *****
Yeah visit s solicitor. We are not that.
Alisa ********
Alisa ********
It's a painful truth that when a couple is living together happily, and one of them dies, the relatives will then order to leave the house.
Wayne ********
Wayne ********
Farrang expat Sports Bar in Phuket 🤣😂 personally I got sick of listening to a lot of them. There hatred towards Thai women, how many houses they’ve lost & above all, how much money they’d lost, their life story. Negative people have 10 problems for every solution 💯
Michael ******
Michael ******
Wayne Batley yes
Simon *******
Simon *******
Wayne Batley Exactly.
Ally ************
Ally ************
Wayne Batley They are angry because of the bad choices THEY made!
Charles ******
Charles ******
Wayne Batley I know a lot of those guys, bitter and twisted fellow countrymen for the most part.
Wayne ********
Wayne ********
Charles Vane Yeah, it’s a really sad. But life goes on, I guess
Alisa ********
Alisa ********
Have a lawyer draft a usufruct agreement for you, because otherwise, if your wife passes away, the house will belong to her rightful heirs.
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
@Alisa *******
If there is a will, and legally married. He will get the house and cam sell it.
Carmena **********
Carmena **********
See an attorney and take care of this now. I'm the Thai and we share a daughter, so all our property goes to our daughter and my husband continues to stay with her till his death. If you don't have anyone, you should have bought a condo in both your names instead.
Albert ********
Albert ********
Buy a Condo
Pete **********
Pete **********
No matter how well you get along with her family now - As soon as she dies the family will turn against you and take everything. Have seen this happen many times over the years. Go and see a lawyer now why you are both able!
Mark *********
Mark *********
Pete Williams youre an idiot
Pete **********
Pete **********
Stupid people like yourself learn slowly.
Mark *********
Mark *********
Pete Williams idiots like you make sweeping generalizations based on sketchy anecdotal bar stories
Beautifu********
Beautifu********
Have a chat with lawyers for Expats they will offer the best solution ( not bar stool advice ) if she’s on board you have nothing to worry about
Charlie ********
Charlie ********
Stop listening to Drunks at sports bars 😂😂😂😂.
Emirati ******
Emirati ******
Charlie Scinta yeah, much better to ask serious questions like this on facebook. 😉
Charlie ********
Charlie ********
Emirati Paul how about going to a place that studies the Thai Law and not a bar full of drunks.
Willi*****
Willi*****
OP
Charlie Scinta every bar has a *Table of Knowledge " 🥰😍🤩😂dispensing wisdom every day.
Gary *******
Gary *******
Willism69_ the more rice whiskey the more knowledge 🤔😆
Willi*****
Willi*****
OP
Gary Esler yes,it literally just spews out !
Neville *********
Neville *********
Correct you loose
Mike **********
Mike **********
Good luck

If she dies first

Your best hoped for outcome will be the family would let you live there.

Worst case

They boot you out and sell it and you get nothing
Willi*****
Willi*****
OP
Mike Phillips thanks for that advice. I feel so much better now 🙄😝🤪
Darren *******
Darren *******
Sell the lot now if she accepts and let's you get the money don't ever spend that sort of cash again book flight fast .
Max **********
Max **********
A 30 year registered lease.
Tom *********
Tom *********
I suggest a good lawyer is superior to the denizens of sports bars.
Stephen ********
Stephen ********
Her family may ensure you pass first. Soon. Take care 555
Raymond *********
Raymond *********
I love this one, doing your due diligence after signing the contract.

I don't know where you are from but would you have considered buying à house worth that mych in your home country without checking with a lawyer? You already knew that you could not buy the house under your name.

I will say something that will sound mean but it's not intended that way. Your experts at the local bar could(not necessarily) be right and the problem doesn't stop only at if she dies before you. What happens if she find somebody else? If she gets sick of you?

Having sais all this, I would go see à real expert, one with à degree and get à leasing agreement from your wife and hope she agrees.
Mick *************
Mick *************
@Raymond ********
yes! This happened to my friend. 19 years together then one day she said get out I don't want you in my house anymore
Petrov ********
Petrov ********
🏠 Can you inherit the villa?

Yes, you can inherit it, even as a foreigner.

But there’s a condition:

* As a foreigner, you cannot own land long-term in Thailand

* If you inherit it → the authorities usually require you to sell it within 1 year

👉 So:

* ✔️ You can receive the property

* ❗ But you can’t keep the land indefinitely in your name

⸻

📜 Thai will (very important)

Your wife can legally make a Thai will and:

* Name you as the sole heir

* Prevent issues with her family

👉 If there is no will:

* The property is divided among legal heirs (children, parents, etc.)

* That’s when the problems you’ve heard about can happen

⸻

🧾 Best protection: usufruct

This is the key tool.

A usufruct (สิทธิเก็บกิน) gives you:

* The right to live in the property for life

* It is registered at the Land Office

* It remains valid even after your wife passes away

👉 This means:

* Even if ownership goes to her relatives

* They cannot force you out

⸻

🏗️ Additional protection: superficies

With this:

* You can legally own the house (structure), not the land

* It strengthens your legal position further

⸻

📑 Extra layer: 30-year lease

* Can be officially registered

* Gives you long-term living rights

* Often combined with a usufruct

⸻

⚠️ Worst-case scenario (if nothing is arranged)

* You inherit → must sell within 1 year

or

* Family becomes co-owners → possible conflicts

⸻

✅ Best-case scenario (with proper planning)

1. Your wife makes a Thai will

2. You have a lifetime usufruct

3. Optionally: superficies or long-term lease

👉 Result:

* You can live there peacefully for the rest of your life

* No one can remove you

⸻

👍 Bottom line

* You’re not an “idiot” — this is a very common setup in Thailand

* There is a solution, and it’s fully legal

* You just need to arrange it properly and in advance
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Brilliant*********
Brilliant*********
Petrov Petrov Fantastic answer thank you. If I can ask, do I get a usufruct from land office, local government or do I need to amend both our wills?
Petrov ********
Petrov ********
BrilliantShark3683 1. Usufruct is registered at the Land Office

* The usufruct must be formally registered on the Chanote (land title) at the Land Office (กรมที่ดิน)

* It is a real right over the property, meaning:

* You can live in the property for life (or fixed term)

* It remains valid even if ownership changes

* Both you and your wife must go in person to register it

👉 This is the strongest protection you can have as a foreigner.

⸻

2. A will does NOT create a usufruct

* A will only transfers ownership or rights after death

* It does not automatically grant you a usufruct

* Even if your wife writes “he can live there,” it still:

* Needs probate

* Can be challenged

* Is weaker than a registered usufruct

⸻

3. Best practice (what experienced expats do)

You should ideally have both:

✅ A registered usufruct

* Done now at Land Office

* Gives you immediate, enforceable lifetime rights

✅ Wills (both of you)

* Your wife’s will can:

* Confirm your right to stay

* Leave the property (if legally possible through structure)

* Your will covers your assets and avoids complications

⸻

4. Important details

* A usufruct can be:

* Lifetime (most common)

* Or max 30 years

* It ends when you die (not inheritable)

* Costs are low (usually small government fee)

⸻

5. Reality check (important)

Without a usufruct:

* If your wife passes away, the property goes to her heirs

* You could lose the right to stay unless they cooperate

With a usufruct:

* You are legally protected to remain, regardless of heirs
Danny *******
Danny *******
Which chatbot did you cost this from? 🤔
Ally ************
Ally ************
Petrov Petrov Sensible and helpful reply which clearly affirms Thai law 👍
Willi*****
Willi*****
OP
Petrov Petrov you have made my day,great advice, thank you so much 🙏
Khun *******
Khun *******
Petrov Petrov if you have an usufruct, can you sell the property?? can't see family being happy about that, because you get to walk away with everything after sale??
Liam *********
Liam *********
Khun Simon No, because you do not own the property, so you cannot transfer the actual title. A usufruct just gives you the right to live on the land, it doesn't make you the owner.
Khun *******
Khun *******
Liam O'Brien but, but, if your spouse passes away, generally the farang gets one year to sell the property, is that if you don't have an usufruct then??
Khun *******
Khun *******
Liam O'Brien oh bummer.
ฟ้า ********
ฟ้า ********
Petrov Petrov Even​ most​ Thais​ don't​ know​ about​ this.​
Michael **********
Michael **********
Petrov Petrov Thanks for helping this gentleman out!
Darren *********
Darren *********
Petrov Petrov wow a well thought out informative response. I was starting to wonder if those were allowed. I will also thank you for the information.
Sylvia ********
Sylvia ********
Petrov Petrov correct
Michael ********
Michael ********
Not sure why everyone saying go to lawyer to do usufruct we just went to land office and they added to chanote. No cost
ขาวบริบรูณ์ **************
ขาวบริบรูณ์ **************
Michael Dawson yes
BC ********
BC ********
Michael Dawson exactly, lawyer is not necessary for an usufruct.
Aurelian ****************
Aurelian ****************
Michael Dawson with the default form or custom clauses?
Michael ********
Michael ********
Aurelian Roma El Arte its added to the back of chanote
Aurelian ****************
Aurelian ****************
Michael Dawson I mean you had to fill a form/contrat with clauses for this right? or nothing?
Michael ********
Michael ********
The property can be left to you in a will and with an usufruct on property. But has to be sold within a year.

Possibility you could find someone to sell it to who will give you a lease or discuss with a trusted family member. Or make those arranements before hand.

Best to speak to a lawyer would keep away from Phuket ones though.
Bill *******
Bill *******
Michael Dawson or, it can be left to a family member with the stipulation that you get to stay until you die…maybe…
Michael ********
Michael ********
Bill Smith yes thats arrangement we have
Martyn ***********
Martyn ***********
Michael Dawson this sold within a year? That's news to me, please clarify...
Scott ***********
Scott ***********
Martyn Rollinson This is true... The foreigner will hold the title for 1 year from their partners passing, and must either sell the property of transfer into a Thai name. I know some that have simply transferred the land into a free lease in a Thai name (family) and remained in the house to this day.
Michael ********
Michael ********
Martyn Rollinson Yes you legally become the owner of land and house for 12 months (strange i know)
Michael ********
Michael ********
Willism69_ yes you would actually own the land for one year, strange as it may seem its true
Oliver **********
Oliver **********
Willism69_ For that one year, in that particular circumstance, yes.
Willi*****
Willi*****
OP
Michael Dawson own the land? I don't think so....?
Sinny ***********
Sinny ***********
Michael Dawson why keep away from phuket lawyers, is it regarding price and or maybe what else?
Brigstocke ********
Brigstocke ********
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Michael ********
Michael ********
Sinny Solagnier not price just engrained in a corrupt system. Sure there are some good ones somewhere there
Willi*****
Willi*****
OP
Michael Dawson 🙏
Paul ********
Paul ********
Willism69_ you need the will and you need to be the sole executor.

The issue of having to sell is only after the will is executed.

There is no time limit on how long you want to take to do this, can be decades.
John ********
John ********
You would get 1 year fo sell as you cant own the land if left in her will.

Or get a usefruct or take out a 30 year lease with her as landlord
John **********
John **********
John Fitton but if she passes would the lease continue and what of she has no family?
John ********
John ********
John Siderfin a 30 year lease is written into the chanote so whoever inherits or eventually hets the land you are a sitting tenant for tne 30 year period.
Mike ********
Mike ********
Ignore the backroom lawyers whether in a bar or on Facebook and go and speak to a lawyer who is familiar with land ownership and leases.
John ********
John ********
Mike Mellor in my case partner is ex senior government officer and legally qualified 🙏 bit consulting a straight lawyer with no bested interests can be useful. On the other hand many lawyers are currently under investigation in nominee structures 🙄
Tayaout *****************
Tayaout *****************
I've seen this situation before and you need an usufruct/lawyer. In the situation I've seen the government gave the spouse 1 year to sell or transfer the land to a Thai, but you need a good lawyer to check the details carefully or it will likely go to your spouse's family, and they have no obligation to let you stay there.
Andy ***********
Andy ***********
U need a legal Usufruct established with local amphur
Michael ********
Michael ********
Andy Silverfox We have done all our usufructs at the land office
Andy ***********
Andy ***********
Yes - land office is the place
Bjørn **********
Bjørn **********
Your wife should fix this easily with a lawyer but you will have to sell the house later on
Willi*****
Willi*****
OP
Bjørn Nordbakk I can never sell the land it is on apparently.I have no idea what happens to the parcel of land if I sell the bricks and mortar sitting on top of it ???????
J ****************
J ****************
Willism69_ what duration of time do you want to secure for your ownership? If if a sale is important it may have to be transferred under another Thai name before her passing, secured with a 30-year lease. The government is currently clamping down on consecutive leases, if you have an heir the land can be put in the Air's name for the duration of their lifetime, only.
James *******
James *******
Get a Userfruct and seek out Lawyers for Expats they will steer you in the right direction.
Sampson ***********
Sampson ***********
James Empey Usufruct only gives you right to live there until you die (time period unpredictable)
James *******
James *******
Sampson Z Biruce yes and that was the original question, he asked what was needed if his wife passed before him.
Willi*****
Willi*****
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James Empey 🙏
Bill *******
Bill *******
Based on my situation

1. I currently have a usofruct in place, was arranged through lawyer when we purchased the house

2. Wife has also made a will with the lawyer stating that everything shall come to me in the event of her passing.

In the event of her passing I must sell within a year

Hope this helps
Denny ********
Denny ********
You should do two things;

1) Get a 30 year registered villa lease from her.

2) Be the villa beneficiary in her Thai Will.
Denny ********
Denny ********
If written properly and registered the lease is good for 30 years regardless of the owner, ie he dies or the property is sold.

Read the law.
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
Denny Phuket Ha? A 30 year lease with the owner, dies when the lease holder dies. Yes beneficiary.
Steve **********
Steve **********
You need to find another wife fast
Christopher *********
Christopher *********
Original
RedKi******
RedKi******
Your in the ground or put in the oven been cremated. Why worry
Willi*****
Willi*****
OP
RedKiwi7212 No! My wife in the ground.Pay attention,wake up 🙄
RedKi******
RedKi******
Willism69_ if your dead before her who cares
Willi*****
Willi*****
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RedKiwi7212 nobody of course.But my question was what happens if she dies BEFORE me.Pay attention 🙄
Beverly **********
Beverly **********
Willism69_ Statistically, men are much more likely than women to pass away and IF the wife passes, the men typically leave the planet within five years or less. Same statistics show that women who are widows will live the same lifespan regardless of status.

Why? Because grief hits men harder than women, causing many to drink themselves to an earlier grave.

How do I know? I am a widow. My husband passed ten years ago. I am still going strong. Most men who are widowers whose wives passed around the same time as my husband are ...pushing up daisies at the cemetary!

The point being...money is the least of your worries. You'll be in a bar drowning in sorrow and it won't matter. Statistically.
Alison *******
Alison *******
Go to a lawyer and have a will drawn up
Charles ***********
Charles ***********
Kill yourself now cut out the middle man
Zac *********
Zac *********
I've read that in that situation you can have something like a temporary ownership (not sure the term that was used). Basically it's a temporary period that is for you to sell the property. Not sure the maximum time limit though. I'd be looking into getting some form of will or legal document made up.
Kyle ********
Kyle ********
Get a good lawyer
Dave ****************
Dave ****************
Set up a 30year leasing contract in the event of her death ..or you will have 2 years to sell it ...see a lawyer
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
Dave Michael Young A lease dies with the Owner.
Dave ****************
Dave ****************
Cool_Bananas_😎 the lease is transfered to the owners legal heir ...
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
Dave Michael Young No, it isn't. If the legal heir is the wifes Thai family member, the Farang will be evicted. The only ways to have proper access to a property is to be the beneficiary in the will, and to be legally married. An Usufruct also helps.
Michael ********
Michael ********
Cool_Bananas_😎 grue thought he was talking about usufruct (maybe edited after)
Michael ********
Michael ********
Dave Michael Young i thought was 1 year
Christian ********
Christian ********
Michael Dawson its one year.
Zeca **********
Zeca **********
You should lease the property from her for 30 years .
Charlie ******
Charlie ******
You'll get taken to the cleaners LOL
Paddy *****
Paddy *****
Get a lawyer to make arrangements that you can live there until you die. Or sell it now.
Denny ********
Denny ********
Paddy Kan A registered 30 year lease will do that.

From the Thai Civil and Commercial Code...

Section 569 (Continuation of Lease): The death of the lessor, or the transfer of the property's ownership to heirs or third parties, does not break a valid lease. The heirs and successors must step into the shoes of the original landlord and honor the registered lease agreement until its expiration.

Another important reason to get a registered lease is it stops her from borrowing money against the property, usually to a loan shark or a bank. For they don't want to wait for your lease to expire if she fails to pay on it. Without a lease on your villa a bank or loan shark will lend money to her. And these guys or bank will boot you out faster than you can drink a beer if she doesn't pay.
Randy **************
Randy **************
Denny Phuket Thai mafia could end your lease on life. My Thai girlfriend owed them money we spoke about it. If I pay they not hurt she and I'm American. I made payments and finished her debt. There was only one bad meeting it took stitches in the back of my head, Mia pen ria. 🤣
Randy **************
Randy **************
Paddy Kan Yes immigration laws changed while I was there. On the 4th visa run to Kawthung the Thais wouldn't let me cross in a long boat as I had previously. Said I would have to visit an American Embassy outside of Thailand. No Embassy in Burma.🤣
Paddy *****
Paddy *****
Randy James Himes we are outsiders. The government reminds us every year. 😂😢
Steve *********
Steve *********
Paddy Kan just posted pics of law where you have a claim to land and house outright in your name
Peter *****
Peter *****
@Steve ********
not the land .maybe just living rights if your name is on the deed
Inge ***********
Inge ***********
Paddy Kan. Very good advice 👌
Addy ***********
Addy ***********
Paddy Kan good advice
Danielle ********
Danielle ********
1. Have a will for her in the event of her passing

2. Have a will for you in the event of your passing 1st

Determine where the house goes ‘ and have a plan to transfer ownership to a Thai national that you trust or business
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
Danielle Hunter "Have a will for her in the event of her passing" . .she won't need a will for her own passing 😂
Buffalo ******
Buffalo ******
Danielle Hunter transfer ownership of the land. Well, now it’s a nominee. The Thai must BUY the land and let you keep leasing it.
Andrew ********
Andrew ********
Danielle Hunter I could be wrong but it doesn’t change the whole farang not owning land issue. Or he would have bought it in his name.
Peter *****
Peter *****
Andrew Patron his name can be in the deed to have life living rights in the house
Potpon******
Potpon******
Go to a lawyer and get an usufruct written up

A usufruct in Thailand (สิทธิเก็บกิน) is a legal right allowing a person (the usufructuary) to possess, use, and manage another person's property, including renting it out to derive income.

Good luck
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Potpong_Life wills as well gives you 12months to sell
Henry ******
Henry ******
Potpong_Life fairly useless when her family moves in and makes your life hell. What good is a piece of paper?
Andrew **********
Andrew **********
Henry Ford I will shit in their beds every day
Potpon******
Potpon******
Henry Ford it gives you a little sense of a happy tingling feeling and that’s it that you haven’t lost everything in the future

It is what it is

Good luck
Andrew **********
Andrew **********
Potpong_Life so he would be leasing it off his wife (say 30 years)? But does that contract still exist when she is dead?
Potpon******
Potpon******
Andrew Stephens yes and no

You can set the usufruct up in many ways with your lawyer

Basically it can be worded that the land is hers or the inheritance entity and the structure is his

You can also set it up to where you can stay in the domicile until you decide to depart after the owner is no longer around or your relationship is dissolved

A good lawyer will go over many details and verbiage that works the best for you

It’s a safety net in an uncertain world

I would recommend if you go this route to first get the yellow house book and pink ID card…it makes things a little bit easier
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
Andrew Stephens An usufruct is not a lease. ;)
Stuart ***********
Stuart ***********
Andrew Stephens usefruct is for life.
Erik ******
Erik ******
Potpong_Life a real answer 🙏🏻☺️
Darren *********
Darren *********
Potpong_Life yes 👍
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this guy is the best
Ed ******
Ed ******
Potpong_Life but doesn't the question remain.....who would "own" the property after she passes?
Craig **********
Craig **********
Ed Bach yes a usufruct is the way to go to insure you remain on the property however, the house is also the new land owners upon her death so in addition to the usufruct you can have a superficies on the house so that you can sell it to someone who would like to either buy the land or enter into another lease or usufruct with the new landowner…also noted is that upon her death if you have that usufruct and superficies you will in fact be heir to the land and have 6 mos to sell it or transfer it..the land office can also extend that time up to a year…
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
Ed Bach The new owner would own it, and inherit the usufruct.
Potpon******
Potpon******
Cool_Bananas_😎the usufruct can’t be transferred in a will to another foreigner

So once the usufructuary leaves the person holding cha note owns it all
Sam *************
Sam *************
Potpong_Life I thought those were all grandfathered in, are they actually still doing new ones?
BC ********
BC ********
Sam Birchenough sure thsy still doing it.
Sylvia ********
Sylvia ********
Potpong_Life this is the correct procedure you must follow
Michael ********
Michael ********
Potpong_Life best advice ever
Willi*****
Willi*****
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Potpong_Life 🙏
Ted ********
Ted ********
You get 1 year to sell it is what i read online
Liam *********
Liam *********
Ted Shelly Only if you inherit after your wife's death. If there isn't a will for example, her children (assuming she has any) will become co-owners.
Thomas *************
Thomas *************
Sell it now and rent a place instead .
Steve******
Steve******
Thomas O Driscoll which does need her consent. As his experts said: he's fucked up.
Ciaran **********
Ciaran **********
Two years ago might have been the best time to ask this question.
Willi*****
Willi*****
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Ciaran McGivern I did and lawyers and Real Estate agents both recommended this course of action,not my idea.
Adrian *******
Adrian *******
Willism69_ you deserve to loose it. Done ya nuts and signed your life away
Proficient***********
Proficient***********
Willism69_ why would you take advice from Thai people trying to sell you things, this was a dumb move with how the property laws go
Proficient***********
Proficient***********
Willism69_ Thais give you advices that’s good for other Thais lol, this isn’t the west lol, a cop in the west isn’t going to favor a western above a foreigner, completely different thought patterns and psychology in Thailand bro, you should understood that by now
Sue **********
Sue **********
Willism69_ of course you have Thai lawyer but they are there for you to gibe you best advice
Willi*****
Willi*****
OP
ProficientChipmunk698 because I have to use Thai lawyers when I live in Thailand? Silly me I should have taken advice from my lawyer back in Australia!🙄
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
Much better to ask everyone at the bar about legal matters rather than an actual lawyer.
ALi *****
ALi *****
@Brandon ***********
he was making a joke
Derek ***********
Derek ***********
@Brandon ***********
bar legal advisors :)
David *********
David *********
@Brandon ***********
better to be six beers and two whiskeys in
Luke ********
Luke ********
@Brandon ***********
probably is with what's going on at the moment
Gary **********
Gary **********
No that's it ...advice given is real ....
Cool_Ba********
Cool_Ba********
Gary Harrison Nope

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