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What is a reasonable rate for hiring a lawyer for marriage paperwork in Thailand?

Terary **********
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I contacted a few lawyers about doing the marriage paperwork.

Siam Legal quoted me 70,000+ And an additional 20,000 to lick a stamp and send some paperwork to US Tax service (IRS).

The other few lawyers said 'come in lets talk'.

What is a reasonable rate do hire a lawyer to deal with the paperwork?

Anybody done this recently? What you pay?
Answer summary
The discussion revolves around the costs associated with hiring a lawyer for marriage paperwork in Thailand. One user received a quote of over 90,000 THB for marriage documentation, which many deemed excessive, especially since others reported managing the process themselves for significantly lower costs (around 5,000 THB). The participants emphasize that, unless a prenup is involved or there are special circumstances, the paperwork can be handled without legal assistance, pointing out that various steps can be completed directly at local offices or with simple translations. The experience shared by others highlights that the complexity of the required documentation can usually be navigated without hiring expensive legal help.
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Stefan *******
Stefan *******
These do it much cheaper
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Colin ********
Colin ********
The license is only approx 80thb
Colin ********
Colin ********
I did it all myself less than 5000 thb
Eric *******
Eric *******
Malay *****
Malay *****
Express translation at Pathumwan. They did mine for
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baht all paperwork included.

If one partner is a Thai then the rates are
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baht, if both the marrying parties are foreigners then their fees was
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. I personally saw that they registered marriage for a Chinese guy and American woman couple while we were there for our own business.

We also had contacted several legal agencies that quoted exorbitant prices which was unbelievable for us so we decided to explore our options a bit before finalizing and in that process we came across express translation
Patrik ********
Patrik ********
What exactly is included in that fee?

As for the marriage; it’s quite straight forward to prepare the documents yourself. First, just get in touch with the Amphur where you would like to marry and ask them what documents they will require - from you and your wife.

You will need a document that shows that you are single / divorced (have the freedom to marry) and it needs to be notarised by your embassy. Read here:
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Then you probably need to have it translated into Thai and legalised by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Many officed offer that service. I paid 900 Baht per translated page. A stamp from the MFA costs 400 Baht if I remember correctly.

As for the pre-nup: This is the part that I would hire the lawyer for. I think at my wife‘s law firm it starts at 15,000 THB.

Then once you’re married, I‘m sure, as mentioned before, you can update your civil status at the different agencies. Maybe the embassy will also be helpful.

As for the marriage visa/extension of stay; you will have to prepare quite a few documents. But if you get the handout from the immigration office, you can get there step by step. After marriage you can get a 60 days extension fairly easily with more or less just the passport and marriage certificate. In that time period you can prepare documents, funds etc.
John-Paul ******
John-Paul ******
Fire that lawyer. That is unless there are underlying circumstances and/or inclusion of a prenup.
Moon ******
Moon ******
Officially Marry it self: free. Visa:Just take list of need documents from immigration and do it free by self together. It really will be very easy.
Ben *********
Ben *********
Moon Moon, yes, agree. It's better to learn it yourself, make time and you'll be fine. I did it. Patience.
John *********
John *********
www.isaanlawyers.com can provide the service at a reasonable rate and will complete the lengthy prenup too. They have been in business for 16 years and have great reviews. Email is
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can provide the service at a reasonable rate and will complete the lengthy prenup too. They have been in business for 16 years and have great reviews. Email is info@isaanlawyers.com

Hope this helps.
Jason ******
Jason ******
We paid around 3000€ in belgium
Maxim ***********
Maxim ***********
Im confused as tho what is included in the 70-100k+ price? I payed 1.2k for affidavit, 2.5k for translation+certification with agent (maybe even less), and $0 for marriage certificate at local district office. So overall 3.7k + round trip to Bangkok, 1 night hotel, and I am now legally married.
Tipsda ********
Tipsda ********
@Maxim **********
This is what i have paid . Not exceeding 5K . Translation was around 3k (500 thb per page ) affidavit around 800 and 0 cost for marriage registration. Other cost for the stamps and transportation etc
Terary **********
Terary **********
OP
@Maxim **********
What about prenub? You went with the standard
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? Are you retired (therefore not currently acquiring assets)?
Maxim ***********
Maxim ***********
@Terary *********
Im 36. No prenub.
Terary **********
Terary **********
OP
@Maxim **********
I am nearly 50 and busting my butt to get something ready for retirement. I worry should could walk away with half. I doubt she would but I don't want to find out the hard way.

Thanks for your input.
Mark ******
Mark ******
What paperwork are you talking about? If you are talking about you, a foreigner, marrying a Thai lady, the cost is virtually nothing. I married my Thai wife ten years ago, we did all the paperwork ourselves, no legal agencies were involved at all and from memory the overall cost was a few hundred baht.
Sheikh *************
Sheikh *************
I think documentation is not much difficult for merrage visa but 4 lacs baht should be in your account,if you don't have 4 lacs baht in account then may be lawyer will handle this kind of case and charge 45k ,
Jean-Francois ***********
Jean-Francois ***********
We got quoted 35k-45k for marriage visa. We did it by ourselves. Not too complicated
Amanda *********
Amanda *********
Thai pass do u include children on it or do they have there own ? Thank u 🙏
Terary **********
Terary **********
OP
@Amanda ********
I think you meant to post that somewhere else. But from what I understand, each person gets their own ThaiPass. So each of your kids would need one.
Amanda *********
Amanda *********
@Terary *********
Ooppss yes sorry thanks for advice thou will put it on other one
Ticha *****************
Ticha *****************
Under Thai law or your country law?
Terary **********
Terary **********
OP
@Ticha ****************
Either will do. My primary purpose is to reduce my tax burden in my home country. The tax law in US only require that I am married by some law (Thai or US)
Alan *******
Alan *******
@Terary *********
Qualifying for the foreign earned income exclusion is based on establishing that your home is outside the US (basically showing you have more ties to another country than the US) or by spending enough time each year outside of the US.

Being married to a non-American alone won’t qualify you, at best it’s just one piece of evidence that your home is outside the US but you don’t need to get married to establish your home is outside the US.

Have you talked to a US tax attorney about qualifying as a foreign resident?

If you want to marry her anyhow then cool, it’ll help your case but I definitely wouldn’t get married just to qualify for the income exemption.
Thomas *************
Thomas *************
@Terary *********
I think it is smart. Not to mention the ease of getting marriage visa while everyone dishes out cash to agents or visa-runs across borders. If you sell a U.S. house then save tens of thousands of dollars extra due to married filing joint status. Just make sure to safeguard yourself with prenuptial and additional legal ways especially if you build or purchase a house and car. I have seen just too many guys who lost all their precious life savings in the name of the love.
Terary **********
Terary **********
OP
@Alan ******
US tax purpose is my primary drive for marrying her. But since I am marrying her, it makes sense to do the marriage visa.

Don't get wrong, I intend to do right by her. I am certainly open to spending the rest of my life with her. In the event I should pass-away she will be the sole beneficiary, don't tell her, I don't want to be the victim of a death inducing accidents.

But it is not one of those things, where I am in my 20's and thinking with my hormones either. I am playing the end game here.
Alan *******
Alan *******
@Thomas ************
True. But the real savings are with qualifying for foreign residency if you can, unless your income is so low you don’t even pay income tax, but I doubt that’s the case here.

If you actually want to marry the person then go for it.

Getting married just to add on a dependent and change your filing status seems like it wouldn’t be worth the hassle unless you also plan on going for a marriage visa as well and keeping the 400k baht in a Thai account (or want to deal with 90 day visa runs).

Would have to know more details about the situation but it sounds like he only wants to marry to change his filing status and add a dependent.
Thomas *************
Thomas *************
@Alan ******
even if he earns zero $ in Thailand, he can file his US tax as married or head of household to get additional deductions via dependents, even more tax deductions if he has children in Thailand, even step-children. If wife spends 6 months or more in the US then he gets $500,000 usd deduction on a house sale (rather than $250,000 for singles).
Alan *******
Alan *******
@Terary *********
If you’re getting married to file jointly because it lowers your tax obligation then that’s different.

Foreign earned income, if you can pass one of the two ways to demonstrate your actual home is outside the US, it doesn’t matter if your income comes from a US company or not.

It’s about the fact that you’re earning it while being a resident of a foreign country not that the money comes from a foreign country.

If you lived in the US and did some side work for a German company, you’d still be obligated to pay US income tax on it.

So if you really want to lower your tax burden, live outside the US (although it only excludes the first $108k you make plus up to like $20k in living allowances like paying rent or for visas and I believe moving costs, but you’d have to see what exactly is coveted by that).
Terary **********
Terary **********
OP
@Alan ******
I thought the foreign credit was for income earn outside the US? I have a Texas residence (a driver's license and post office box). My employer is in the US and so my claim is I am a US citizen, earning income in the US.

The marriage thing is so I can reduce my tax bill. Married filing jointly and all that.
Wylie *******
Wylie *******
@Terary *********
Then I think it'd be easier to just get married in Thailand. My wife and I did all the paperwork and it wasn't that bad. As far as a prenuptial all we did was list our assets going into the marriage on the form.

The form for US tax purposes is just 1 page to apply for an ITIN number that you send with your taxes.
Wilmont ******
Wilmont ******
My how times have changed. Wife and I did ours in 1970 didn’t have to pay hardly anything. Most expense was trip to Bangkok to Embassy and Hotel.
Kool *******
Kool *******
If this does not include a pre-nup then you didn't need them, but if a lengthy pre-nup was included it is reasonable. With a normal marriage, and no pre-nup there is no lawyer needed to your IRS/Social Security change. It is a simple form you get online from SSA website.
Terary **********
Terary **********
OP
@Kool ******
Yeah, I kinda need a pre-nup.. Something simple that says I keep everything and she gets a little allowance for a couple of years after divorce.
Kool *******
Kool *******
@Terary *********
that sounds simple, but in legal terms it is pretty involved. What assets are involved, and where her allowance would come from, and where it would go. It also gets involved in what .money is made after you are married, as it is community property, and where it comes from. It sounds simple, but done right it is pretty involved.
James **********
James **********
I never paid anyone to do it. I don’t remember there being much paperwork, my wife done it all.
Ben *********
Ben *********
James Mccallum, yes it's a team work. Nothing free but minimum fees.
Tom ********
Tom ********
I want to say I paid close to that in 2010 to get my marriage finalized and CR-1 visa to the states and did a pre-nup on top of it, all in all close to 120 to 140,000 THB if I recall. Well worth every penny on the Pre-Nup
Gordon ********
Gordon ********
Hi

What paperwork are you requiring?

90k seems crazy unless there are circumstances outside of normal.
Anthony *********
Anthony *********
We just submitted all ours, but it's a chore I'm not going to lie, all in all is was over 100 pages that we handed in, we did it ourselves though as my Mrs worked for a visa company for last 7 years so knows a bit about it but it's all fairly straight forward stuff it just takes a bit of time to do it and get it all together I don't think you need to pay anyone

That price is insane to basically do an application for a non O or anything for that matter

If it's just actually to get married you just go your embassy get and affidavit to marry, get it translated, then go to local ampur and do it takes 15 mins

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