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What are the steps for an American seeking to live part-time in Thailand with a Non-O visa?

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Sawadee Krab, I am a 62 yr wise American. Been married to a beautiful Thai lady for 20 years. We've lived those years in America. Now we're ready to split our time between the two countries for 5 years or so before settling entirely in Thailand. Its my understanding that I can get a Non O visa. Stay here the first half of the first year, making sure I do the first 90 day report in person. I can then leave Thailand with a re-entry permit stay in America for 6 months, do my next 90 day online, while making sure I'm in Thailand to do the annual extension in person. Appreciate your knowledge.
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The user, an American married to a Thai citizen, plans to split time between the U.S. and Thailand for 5 years before fully relocating to Thailand. They seek advice on the Non-O visa, particularly regarding the 90-day reporting requirements and re-entry permits. Community members confirm that the Non-O visa allows for an initial 90-day stay, followed by a possible extension to 12 months. It's advised that the 90-day reporting should only be fulfilled while physically in Thailand, and one can leave and re-enter the country with a re-entry permit without voiding the visa. Options for financial requirements and marriage registration were also discussed.
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Robert *********
Robert *********
Bigger picture .

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Lee *******
Lee *******
I’m assuming your wife is now a U.S. citizen. If she is still a PR it is won’t be safe for her to be out of the country for 6 months.
Leslie *******
Leslie *******
FYI, 90 day extension is NOT a visa extension. BEFORE you exit Thailand for anywhere, get a visa extension so that you will be allowed re-entry into Thailand.
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
Leslie Burns You need a re-entry permit to get back in the country, not an extension.

If you need to do you can also get a re-entry permit during the first 90 days of your stay before you get your first extension.
Leslie *******
Leslie *******
Luit van der Linde no sir. I've done it. There's a red box on the top left that states what I'm saying.
Leslie *******
Leslie *******
I went to Jakarta i believe, with my Thai wife. I had a re-entry permit but they pulled me into the office. Luckily they stamped me back in and gave me time to go back to Mukdahan and get another non O visa. They told me that I always need to visit immigration BEFORE leaving to obtain a visa extension first. That's what I was told. That's what I'll be doing from now on.
Leslie *******
Leslie *******
Ally ************
Ally ************
Leslie Burns You mean a re-entry permit I believe 😉
Angelo ***********
Angelo ***********
Unfortunately *always* the first 90 day report after entering Thailand has to be done in person, and can not be done online. That means: if you leave the country and come back and stay again 90 days: you have either to go to immigration in person, or you have to write a permit that some other person does it for you - for example if you would be sick.

Not sure if you got everything straight. Your initial visa is for 90 days. It has to be extended for a year. As long as you fulfill the requirements (banked money, or income) you can extend it indefinitely.

As others pointed out: there is a single and a multiple entry "reentry permit". Without a reentry permit, your visa would be void a soon as you leave the country. Not a catastrophe, but you have to do the visa application/extension process again.
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
@Angelo **********
It is not first 90 day report after entering Thailand that has to be done in person, but first 90 day report of each stay.

On a non-o with re-entry permits, you won't get a new stay when you RE enter the country, you keep alive the same stay and extend it every year.

Only a new passport might trigger to do the 90 day report in person again.

This is different for multi entry visa like DTV where you not can use re-entry permits to return on a current stay, but just enter again, so not RE enter, on a new fresh stay for which the first report has to be done in person again.
Angelo ***********
Angelo ***********
@Luit ****************
"It is not first 90 day report after entering Thailand that has to be done in person, but first 90 day report of each stay." I thought that was what I said?
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
@Angelo **********
I know the definition of stay as Thai authorities use is a strange one, personally I also would see coming back as a new stay, but I did not make those rules.

Personally I think that on a single entry visa you should not be able to leave the country and come back, but with a re-entry permit this is just possible.

So with a single entry non-o with extensions each year it does not matter have many times you leave with a re-entry permity, it is still your first and only stay of the visa.

The moment you forget the re-entry permit, you have to start with a new visa and get a new stay.

DTV as multi entry visa is completely different, even when you only leave for a minute you will get a new stay.
Angelo ***********
Angelo ***********
@Luit ****************
Perhaps because the initial period was only 3 months, the first extension 6 months, and the second extension was a year, but during that year, I did not leave the country.

Perhaps it was just a mistake ... anyway. Your English wording is confusing. I would say, when one "enters" the country, a new "stay" has started. You can not leave and re-enter on the same stay.

Perhaps the conclusion is: read carefully the time period during which you can do the online reporting. Do it, and be careful with your emails, and if it is rejected, do it in person.

And as someone else above pointed out: you actually can do it via paper mail. Sent the copies, a prepared return letter with your address and a stamp, to IO.

I guess that is how I will do it in future. It would not be such a hassle, if I would not always have so much bad luck that a trip to IO and back home takes half a day :D 5555

When I lived in Nakhon Phanom, I basically lived at the farest possible spot from the IO office. Same when I lived in Lampang. And when I lived in BKK, same same again ... 2h trip to IO, 2h - 4h waiting, 2h trip back. I started to go there the day before and stay in a hotel one night. So I could be there when it opens.
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
@Angelo **********
The general rule is that each stay you should start with in person, and when you exit and re-enter on a stay, no new stay is started.

I think that is a strange interpretation, but it is how rules are about visa and stays in Thailand.

In fact a single entry visa becomes invalid the moment you did enter.

All that is left at that moment is an allowed period of stay that for some visa can be extended.

It is never a right to do TM47 online, they can reject and ask you to do in person anytime they want.

I see no reason why they should not accept online reporting on an ED visa after you left the country with a re-entry permit.
Angelo ***********
Angelo ***********
@Luit ****************
"After that I can leave and enter the coiuntry and never have to do the 90 day in person anymore, they just can be online." then you are probably an exception. I had to do mine in person again, my online report got rejected, and I only noticed a day before the time was over.

Immigration in BKK told me, online does not work if I have left the country and came back.

So, seems there are different rules depending on office? I was on an ED visa btw, perhaps the visa type makes a difference.
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
@Angelo **********
I quote: "*always* the first 90 day report after entering Thailand has to be done in person"

When I am on a non-o afrer the first 90 days in the country II have to do the report in person.

After that I can leave and enter the coiuntry and never have to do the 90 day in person anymore, they just can be online.

Your description suggest that after entering the country each first report has to be done online.

Maybe it is the way you use words as "always" and "after entering" make me interpret your words the wrong way.

The "always" suggests it is more than once.
Angelo ***********
Angelo ***********
@Luit ****************
Well, that is what I said :P you are confusing me.
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
@Angelo **********
When you enter on a non-o visa with extensions 10 times each time 180 days in 5 years, you only have to do TM47 in person 1 time.

When you enter on DTV 10 times in 5 years each time 180 days you have to do TM47 in person 10 times.

So in person is the first time of each stay, with non-o wit re-entry permits you keep the same stay, so leaving the country and return does not mean you have to do 90 day reporting in person again but you can do online after your very first one with the visa.
Ally ************
Ally ************
Angelo Schneider You mean it can ONLY be extended for a year.. however, it does not HAVE to be extended at all.. and it should be noted that you cannot use the income method of verification for your first 12-month extension.. you need to show 12 monthly deposits to your Thai bank account and produce statements to evidence them.. so can only be used on the second extension or thereafter.. unless your country's Embassy is still issuing income affidavits.. which is now very few!
Angelo ***********
Angelo ***********
Ally S Inglish Yeah, but he plans to come back after 180 days, so he has to extend it or get a new visa ... you are nitpicking.

He did not say what kind of Non O he wants. He is married. So he can use the income method on a visa based on marriage.
Graham ******
Graham ******
Angelo Schneider no he cannot use the income method unless it is an Embassy affidavit
Graham ******
Graham ******
Angelo Schneider or do it by mail 15 days before the due daye (this counts as in person)
Angelo ***********
Angelo ***********
Graham Seal True, I forgot about that :D You have to add a stamped return enveloper for the recipe.
Perry *******
Perry *******
OP
Thank you everyone. The information is much appreciated and makes the road easier to navigate.
Andrew ********
Andrew ********
Wise American, that's a novelty!
RRay *********
RRay *********
Andrew Harvey LOL It's funny when clowns like you criticize Americans/America for NOT being "wise" or "intelligent" or "smart"............when so much of everything that is part of your everyday life is made in, created by or a tangent of things of American origin.

The irony/stupidity of your ignorant comment, made ON the internet, ON Facebook, On a phone/tablet/PC that all have American origins.

Are you originally "Tanzanian"? Tell me about the "greatness" and the "wisdom" shown by Tanzania. Tell me about the world-impacting things or people from Tanzania.

I'll wait for your response.............................
Robin *******
Robin *******
RRay Parrish just so you know the internet was invented by the British so was the computer, just so you know 64% of Americans struggle with reading and writing over a basic standard, and they are not afraid so show the world how stupid they are, that’s why the whole world makes fun of you.
Colorado ******
Colorado ******
Andrew Harvey and humble, too.
Perry *******
Perry *******
OP
Andrew Harvey😉
Andrew ********
Andrew ********
Perry Stone just jesting with ya...lol
Graham ******
Graham ******
Were you married in the US or Thailand because, if US, you should get your marriage certificate verified by the Thai Embassy in the US as it's much easier than doing it from Thailand?
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
Graham Seal He would only need the marriage registered inside Thailand, if he plans to get the 1-year extension of stay permit issued based on being married to a Thai wife. As long as he plans to get the 1-year extension issued based on retirement, he doesn't need a Thai registry proof that they are married
Ally ************
Ally ************
Greg Alexander But would be advisable if he wants to register the marriage with the Amphur.. and apply for a 'yellow book' and 'pink card'.. and may be needed at a later date.. so it's simpler to just get it done.. and have it ready to go when it becomes essential for something else 😉
Graham ******
Graham ******
Greg Alexander Yes but worth doing so before finally settling in Thailand
Ric *******
Ric *******
You are wise sir 😉
Marcel *********
Marcel *********
Just get OA Visa for Retirement with multiple Entry. easy to do. Your money stay in your banc.
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
Marcel Wuersch sorry, but the O/A visa is NOT the "Retirement Visa". The Non-Imm-O/A Visa is called "Longstay Visa". The only REAL retirement visa is the 90-days Non-Imm-O Visa
Kyle *******
Kyle *******
Greg Alexander you’re just being technical now, they both fall under retirement visas.
Marcel *********
Marcel *********
Greg Alexander oh my goodness 😜

i have OA one Year Visa for over 50 Years old. What ever you call it. Mr Alexander 👋🖕
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
Kyle Watts technical or not, the O/A visa is not the "retirement visa". Thai MfA calls it "Longstay"
Dca *****
Dca *****
if you have Annual Passive income of at least $80k Dollars Per Year, then strongly consider the 10 Year LTR–P Visa/E–Visa for Wealthy Pensioners
Luit *****************
Luit *****************
Dca Dca I am considering this, but there is one difficulty.

At the moment I am still working, have over $80k passive plus active yearly, but not enough passive.

The moment I stop working and retire, my pssive income will be over $80k yearly, but because I have to prove I had 80k passive income for a year, I have to wait a year before I can apply for LTR.

Any suggestions?
Chuck ********
Chuck ********
Luit van der Linde if you can, get a 401k distribution to boost your passive income above 80K a year before you retire. Then you can go for the LTR directly without toiling with the non-O hassles.
Dca *****
Dca *****
Luit van der Linde Unfortunately, even those with Recent/New Rental income sources, but not yet Detailed (included) in their (annual) Tax Returns have had to Wait to Apply for their LTR–P Visa until they file/submit their Next Year Tax Return that would show the detail of the New Rental income source, as one LTR Visa Applicant was rejected by BOI for the LTR Pre–Qualified Certification

However, it is Free to Apply for the Mandatory BOI LTR Pre–Qualified Certification and then subsequently one can actually get their LTR Visa/E–Visa and then Pay the LTR Visa/E–Visa Fee

You could try to Apply for the Free BOI LTR Pre–Qualified Certification, but may ultimately get Rejected by BOI

However, BOI might also make you take Option #2 with the Minimum investment in Thailand of USD $250k Dollars +

Probably best to Prepare for the LTR Health insurance Requirement of either Buying a Thai Health insurance Policy for the LTR Visa or Prepare USD $100k that would be seasoned in your Bank Account for 1 Year and do note that the Health insurance Requirement for LTR must be Continuous Coverage throughout the 10 Years of the LTR, so if an LTR Visa holder uses the $100k bank account method, then it should be there, especially at the Re–Qualification Review 5 Years later
Wannikea *********
Wannikea *********
One crucial thing you need to consider is the timing of your yearly extensions, which will be at the same time each year.
Galen *******
Galen *******
Wannikea Wanblee That is absolutely correct. I cancelled my visa by leaving the country without a re-entry permit. Now I have a new 90-day Non-O retirement visa, so that after entering in November, my date for the extension of stay falls in January instead of May, as it did before.
Jason *******
Jason *******
Galen Jones I maybe need to do this. I have work schedules and set times when I have time off to do it
Paul **********
Paul **********
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David *********
David *********
No need to report , it's report or leave and you have your reentry so it will work , I did this last year ( 9 months ) for first time in 8 odd years .
Harald ************
Harald ************
Agree with what Tim has commented

Will start same adventure
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
Harald De Graeve just make sure to read what I have replied to Tim !
John **********
John **********
You've more or less got it right other than you only do 90 day reports when you spend 90 consecutive days inside Thailand so you don't report when you're in the US.

If you don't already have a Thai bank account you'll need to apply for a 90 day Non-O visa before travelling to Thailand, when you arrive in Thailand you open a bank account and you place a minimum of 800k baht into it. Once the money has been in the account 2 months you apply for the 12 month extension of stay
Andrew ******************
Andrew ******************
@John *********
Can you still retire with pension income of $65,000 baht monthly? Id much rather do that than park $25,000 in a bank
John **********
John **********
@Andrew *****************
Yes, but if you want to use the Non-O visa your still going to have to put 800k in a Thai bank for the first year as your embassy won't issue an income certificate. During the first year you can transfer 65k baht from overseas every month and use that the 2nd year and then remove the 800k.

Alternatively you could get a Non-OA visa which doesn't require funds in a Thai bank at all but does require police checks, medical certificate and insurance (which the Non-O doesn't)
Scott *******
Scott *******
@John *********
400k marriage spousal
Tony ********
Tony ********
@John *********
Being married to a Thai, if he gets things registered correctly, Am I right in thinking 400,000 🤔
Dave ******
Dave ******
@Tony *******
yes, if like me he goes for the so called marriage version.
Tony ********
Tony ********
Dave Owen I do understand mate, so many hoops to jump
John **********
John **********
@Tony *******
ah yes, 800k for retirement, 400k for marriage. He can do either
Tim ******
Tim ******
Non-o Visa grants you 90 days entry to Thailand after that you need to get a 12 month extension to stay..

If you get the 12 month extension of stay with multi entry permit, you can leave Thailand any time during those 12 months. The 90 day reporting only needs to be done whilst inside Thailand it is due 90 days after entering Thailand.
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
Tim Gill sorry, but if he only plans ONE exit and re-entry into Thailand during the 1-year extended stay permit, a single re-entry permit for 1000 Baht is fully sufficient. A multi re-entry permit costs 3800 Baht, that would mean he throws 2800 Baht ($90 USD !) into the bin for nothing
SunnyChe*********
SunnyChe*********
Greg Alexander until there’s an emergency and you have to leave or you want to travel somewhere else? $90 in the bin wow 😮 about half a day out 😂
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
SunnyChestnut4369 he didn't say anyting about Hongkong or Timbuktu. He said he wants to travel between USA and Thailand ONCE every year. That means a single re-entry for 1000 Baht is sufficient. Are you really trying to talk him into throwing away 2800 Baht for nothing ?? Are you a troll ? In case he wants to fly to Hongkong for a holiday, he can buy another single re-entry permit on Immigration or at the airport, and still have saved 1800 Baht
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
SunnyChestnut4369 WHAT are you talking about, are you a TROLL ? An emergency outside of Thailand does not invalidate his single re-entry permit.
SunnyChe*********
SunnyChe*********
Greg Alexander ah, another know it all - obviously an Emergency outside of Thailand 🤷‍♂️ What’s wrong with buying a multi entry on the same day? Maybe he’ll want to go on holiday and to Hong Kong, Singapore, Vietnam?
Greg ***********
Greg ***********
SunnyChestnut4369 What are you fantasizing about?? He would ALREADY HAVE a single re-entry permit, should he run into an emergency inside Thailand. Because you BUY the single re-entry permit on the SAME DAY you get issued the 1-year extension. That's what I am doing every year, because I also spend 6 months outside of Thailand every year, since 18 years. I ALWAYS got an UNUSED single re-entry permit for 1000 Baht in my passport when I am inside Thailand. I am PREPARED ! Your advice is BAD advice. You recommend the OP to throw away 90 US Dollar for nothing ?? Go troll elsewhere

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