What are the options and requirements for Canadian expats applying for a Non-Immigrant O-A visa in Thailand?

Sep 4, 2021
3 years ago
Helen ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
We are a Canadian couple in our 50's looking to come back to Thailand for a minimum 6 month time period. Last year we came on a 60+30 day tourist Visa and stayed for a few months via the Covid extensions. It worked out great but it sounds like this is coming to an end and we don't want to deal with the stress of maybe having to leave early. We are not looking to work or go to school. After looking at the options it appears that the Non-Immigrant O-A visa would be the way to go (please advise if we are missing other options).

Some questions we have about this are:

- Official page says "Financial evidence : a guarantee letter from the bank and a copy of bank statement showing a deposit of the amount equal to and not less than 800,000 THB". "The bank" is in Thailand right? Concerned we have to get this from our Canadian bank who have told us they cannot provide a "guarantee letter".

- We are not clear if we can leave and come back to Thailand with the O-A Visa?

- Official page says says "Can be extended for 1 year every year". Does that mean after we receive the O-A visa we can get multiple extensions without re-applying all over again?

- Can the annual extensions work with the afore mentioned ability to leave Thailand and come back every year?

- In the past we were under the impression we couldn't open a Thai bank account while on a tourist visa. What is the typical "800K into a Thai bank account" process for people applying for the O-A while on a tourist visa?

- is there a way that one of us can "piggyback" or trail the other visa so we both don't have to deposit 800K?

- is it better to arrive on a single entry TR and apply when in Thailand?

Thanks in advance for any info/comments on this stuff!
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TLDR : Answer Summary
A Canadian couple in their 50s seeks to return to Thailand for six months or more, considering the Non-Immigrant O-A visa option due to the end of COVID extensions. They have concerns about financial evidence requirements from a Thai bank, extension processes, and the ability to leave and re-enter Thailand. They gathered information on applying for Non-O visas from Canada, utilizing affidavit of income letters, and navigating the financial deposit requirements. Ultimately, they successfully obtained their Non-Immigrant O visas with guidance from the expatriate community.
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Paul ********
Final update for future searchers. Yesterday we received our new "stickerless" Non-Immigrant O visas from the Canadian Consulate in Vancouver. The process was extremely easy using the thaievisa.go.th site. We gave the consulate a call and they confirmed there was no need to upload signed guarantee letters or signed/stamped statements from our bank. We simply uploaded 3 previous months of bank statements and investment account statements. We also contacted the Canadian consulate in Chiang Mai. They were very friendly and familiar with the process of providing affidavits of proof of income letters along with our marriage license to take care of Helen's trailing spouse extension. We will do a separate post for the extensions but based on the conversation with CM consulate we should not need 800K in a Thai bank. πŸ™‚ Thanks to the amazing help and info from the folks running this group for helping us figure this all out!
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r and others, this is a fantastic resource you have setup here, thank you so much. πŸ™
Tod *********
@Paul *******
great news Congrats

Good luck with it,
Helen ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
After digesting all of the great info we have received from here, we tried to get the ball rolling on our Visas today.

The Thai Consulate in Vancouver says we can both apply for the Non-Immigrant O visa via the new thaievisa.go.th website and give "retirement" as the reason. They said there is no "trailing spouse" Non-immigrant O visa.

Does the "trailing spouse" Non Immigrant visa exist outside of Thailand? Or are we maybe using incorrect terminology with "trailing spouse"? We were under the impression that we can only get the "trailing spouse" Non-immigrant O outside of Thailand. Or did we misinterpret and we should both enter on Non-immigrant O "retirement" visas and only specify "trailing spouse" when we go for our extensions in Thailand?

Thanks!
Helen ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Thanks
@Tod ********
πŸ™. We have gotten a bit overwhelmed by it all. Really appreciate your expertise!
Tod *********
@Helen *******
get the 90 day Non-Os, then when you come in your husband will use the affidavit of income letter from the canadian consulate to get show proof of funds so he can get a year extension based on retirmeent and you will apply for a matching extension based on being married to someone on a retirment extension.
Paul ********
Ok, would just like to summarize what we are planning to do and hear if it makes sense.

I apply for the Non-O retirement visa in Canada. This does not require money in a Thai bank account. I just need to show that we have the funds. My wife (Helen) applies for the Non-O trailing spouse visa from Canada referencing my Non-O retirement application. She will not have to prove any financials. This will give us 90 days in Thailand.

Once we get to Chiang Mai, make an appointment with the Canadian consulate to show them my annual income using tax statement and get them to issue an affidavit of income letter. After I get the affidavit of income I apply for the 1 year extension based on retirement. Helen applies for the 1 year extension as a trailing spouse referencing my retirement application.

Every year we re-apply for the same extensions before the date that we received our initial extensions.

Couple of questions:

- At what point of the initial 90 day Non-O visa should/can I apply for the extension? Anytime after I get the affidavit or some specific time before the expiration?

- Does Helen have to wait until I get the 1 year extension before she can apply for the trailing spouse extension referencing my retirement visa or do we do it at the same time?

- For subsequent extensions after the initial one, how soon before our initial extension anniversary date should we apply for new extensions?

Feel like we are almost there with a good plan. We will still open a Thai Bank account but it'll be nice not having to move 800K into it. Thanks again! πŸ‘πŸ™
Ellie *******
At CM immigration office, you can apply for a new extension when you have 45 days or less on your current stamp.

She can apply for an extension based on trailing spouse same time as yours.

You better ask to CM Immigration how old the embassy letter they accept as the proof of funds.

Once you arrive in Chaing Mai, go to the CM immigration office to get a handout of requirements.
Paul ********
While researching I have come across reports of people using the Canadian Embassy in BKK to get an affidavit of income so they didn't have to show 800K THB for their Non-O extension based on retirement. Anyone know anything about this? We absolutely would still open a Thai bank account for living expenses but not having to move 800K would be a major bonus if possible.
Ellie *******
I don't think there would be much issue as long as you get the 'right" (meeting minimum amount of monthly income, etc) affidavit from your embassy.
Paul ********
@Ellie ******
Cool, thanks. I need to do more research on this as it sounds like the US and British (and maybe other) embassies used to do this as well but stopped. While it sounds like the Canadian embassy still does it.
Tod *********
@Paul *******
correct, Canada is one of the countries that still issues that document.
Benjamin ******
@Paul *******
Ellie Takei is correct; the Canadian embassy does provide this letter. If each one of you makes 65K THB or more a month from a retirement pension, you can easily get a Non-O visa inside Thailand based on retirement.
Paul ********
Sound like there's a big "but" looming over your response
@El***
. Are there issues with going this route?
Tod *********
@Paul *******
Totally CAN be done wtihout much issue at all. They require you prove that you have sufficient income with your bank in canada but the income affidavits from the canadian consulate here are accepted as proof of funds by all the immigration offices
Ellie *******
If you can get the 'right' affidavit from your embassy, you can use it for proof of funds for a Non-O visa or extension based on being over 50.
Paul ********
If we enter on Non-O visas (retirement and trailing spouse), would that improve the experience of opening up a bank account (in Chiang Mai)?
Benjamin ******
@Paul *******
You can get a bank account on any visa or visa exempt, and I don't think it should influence your decision at all. Each bank branch has their own policy and requirements though.
Benjamin ******
> "The bank" is in Thailand right? Concerned we have to get this from our Canadian bank who have told us they cannot provide a "guarantee letter".

For the Non-OA VISA issued OUTSIDE of Thailand, you would need to show 800K THB in equivalent local currency in a bank. The Thai consulate is looking for something like a certified bank statement, or another document from the Canadian bank showing that you have the equivalent of 800K THB.

>Official page says says "Can be extended for 1 year every year". Does that mean after we receive the O-A visa we can get multiple extensions without re-applying all over again?

Correct! You can get a one year extension of stay based on retirement (and a one year extension of stay based on being a trailing spouse) inside Thailand without leaving.

>Can the annual extensions work with the afore mentioned ability to leave Thailand and come back every year?

No. You can only enter on the validity of the visa. HOWEVER, on each entry, you get a stamp for one year.

>In the past we were under the impression we couldn't open a Thai bank account while on a tourist visa.

Not true. Anyone can open a bank account on any visa status. Each bank branch has their own policy, and you'd have to shop around. Ask on a local Facebook group.

>s there a way that one of us can "piggyback" or trail the other visa so we both don't have to deposit 800K?

I believe you can. One of the spouses can get a Single Entry Non-O Visa Based on Being a Trailing Spouse. However, this visa is only valid for 90 days, and the spouse will need to get a one year extension of stay (which will be only for the validity of the remaining time on the Non-OA visa, so about 9 months). But, there is no financial requirements.

>is it better to arrive on a single entry TR and apply when in Thailand?

No. If you enter on a single entry tourist visa, you would need to apply for a Non-O visa based on retirement INSIDE Thailand. They do not sell the Non-O Visa Based on Being a Trailing Spouse to a Retiree Inside Thailand.
Paul ********
@Benjamin *****
Awesome as usual. ThanksπŸ™ After further research it appears we were confused by the new thaievisa.gov.th websites description of the non immigrant O visa. We were incorrectly under the impression that the O visa was only applicable if there was a Thai parent, spouse or child involved. However it sounds like the O visa for retirement might work even better than the O-A for us, with no need to provide medical and police reports and no transfer to a Thai bank account. Does it make sense that we could come back to Thailand on visa exempt and then get an O visa while there, followed by an O extension? This would allow us to spend part of the year in Thailand and part in Canada as we would like. Last year we did this by riding the Covid extensions for a few months. We'd like to avoid the stress of having to leave early if they decide to do away with those. Any thoughts on what might best fit our situation? Not comfortable with forking over elite visa $. πŸ™‚
Helen ********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Thanks everyone, appreciate the information. Some more research needs to be done before we settle on the best option for us.
Tod *********
@Paul *******
IF you are thinking to get in country 90 day Non-O visas remember that BOTH people would need to meet the financial requirements because they will not issue an in country 90 day Non-O visa for the reason of being a spouse of someone on a retirement visa.

The easiest way would be to get the 90 day Non-O visas in your country BEFORE you come here. Then when you get here you're both stamped in for 90 days, When that runs down one person would meet the requirements based on being over 50 (retirement) and meeting the proof of funds, and the other person would get the matching year extension based on being their spouse.
Paul ********
@Tod ********
Interesting Tod. Just to clarify, if we apply for Non-O based on retirement from Canada we would not need a Thai Bank account holding 800K THB? It would only be when we want to apply for a 1 year extension based on retirement that we would need the Thai bank account in place with 800K for one of us (for 3 months?). The other one of us would just slide in on the coat tails of the spouse's extension?
Benjamin ******
@Paul *******
>if we apply for Non-O based on retirement from Canada we would not need a Thai Bank account holding 800K THB?

Correct. BUT... EACH of you will need 800K THB in a Canadian bank account in local currency (or 1.6M THB total).

>It would only be when we want to apply for a 1 year extension based on retirement that we would need the Thai bank account in place with 800K for one of us (for 3 months?)

It sounds like both of you want to enter Thailand on a Non-O based on retirement, and then one person get a one year extension of stay based on retirement, and another get a one year extension of stay based on trailing spouse, correct? Sadly, that wouldn't be possible πŸ™
Paul ********
@Benjamin *****
> It sounds like both of you want to enter Thailand on a Non-O based on retirement, and then one person get a one year extension of stay based on retirement, and another get a one year extension of stay based on trailing spouse, correct? Sadly, that wouldn't be possible πŸ™

We are completely flexible Benjamin and still trying to determine what way is best/easiest. Bottom line is we want to come to Thailand on an annual basis for a few months out of the year. Non-O seems easier to setup than Non-OA. The less funds we need to transfer into a low interest Thai bank account the better. Having one of us slide in on the others visa also sounds great if possible. Can you expand on the issue with what Tod mentioned above?
Benjamin ******
@Paul *******
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. The "O" class of visa is "other", and covers a lot of different categories. There's two categories of "O" visas that is being talked about:

Non-O on the basis of being over 50/ "Retirement". For this visa, you will need to have 800K THB in a bank account in your home country, and be over 50.

Non-O on the basis of being a trailing spouse. For this visa, you'll need to be legally married to someone who is getting a Non-O Visa on the Basis of Being Over 50/ "Retirement".

The Non-O visa based on retirement is ALSO sold inside Thailand. The Non-O visa based on being a trailing spouse for someone who is on a retirement visa is NOT sold in Thailand.

If person A, the husband, enters Thailand on a Non-O visa based on retirement, and person B, the wife, enters Thailand on a Non-O visa based on being a trailing spouse, only 800K THB is needed in a Thai bank account, seasoned for 2 months. There is NO financial requirements for a one year extension of stay based on being a trailing spouse.

If person A, the husband, and person B, the wife, enters Thailand on a tourist visa, both person A, and person B would have to buy a Non-O visa based on Retirement inside Thailand. This would require 1.6M THB in a Thai bank account.

I hope that answers the question.
Paul ********
@Benjamin *****
> I hope that answers the question.

I think so Benjamin. Need to let the morning coffee (Canada time) percolate a bit more. Here's what I think it means.

So I apply for the Non-O retirement visa in Canada. This does not require money in a Thai bank accout. I just need to show the Canadian Consulate that we have the funds. My wife (Helen) applies for the Non-O trailing spouse visa from Canada referencing my Non-O retirement application. She will not have to prove any finanacials to the Canadian consulate. This will give us 90 days in Thailand.

As soon as we get out of ASQ we should start the process of opening a Thai bank account so that we have the 2 months to season our money. Once the money has been in the Thai bank account for 2 months, I apply for the 1 year extension based on retirement with 800K sitting in the Thai bank account. Helen applies for the 1 year extension as a trailing spouse referencing my retirement applciation. Or does she have to wait until I get the 1 year extension and then she can apply?

Thanks again to everyone for the amazing support you provide in this group!
Lorenzo **************
@Tod ********
do they need proof of marriage?? Last your my father and mother in law needed a certified proof of marriage from the embassy. Is that requirement not needed anymore?? Just sharing our experience with immigration πŸ€—
Ellie *******
@Paul *******
, it is workable. For you to apply for an in-country non-O visa then 1 year extension based on being over 50, you may want to have some time to prepare (open a bank account, etc). Maybe better to get Non-O same reason (single entry) before you fly if insurance for 90days is acceptable, or get a Single Entry Tourist Visa which gives you 60days as before, rather than visa-extemp 30days entry.
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