What are the best visa options for American expats working online in Thailand?

Feb 21, 2018
7 years ago
Patrick *******
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What are fellow Americans in Thailand doing about visas? Specifically, online-working Americans. I'd like to qualify as a bonafide resident (get qualify for FEIE) this year and I need a visa that will enable me to pay taxes here (though not necessary that taxes are actually paid). The non imm B visa looks attractive, but you need a company to write you a letter. Costs I've been quoted are 75,000 baht for 1st year and 45k for each year after.

Elite card is $15,000 USD for 5 years, but in addition I'll have to get another visa with it to qualify for bonafide residency. What is everything doing here? Can anyone recommend a reasonable way to get a proper visa or work permit at a reasonable price? Thanks.
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The discussion focuses on visa options for American expatriates in Thailand, particularly those working online. The Non-Immigrant B visa is mentioned as a potential option, but it requires sponsorship from a company. Other options include the Thailand Elite Card, which offers longevity but also necessitates another visa for work. Suggestions for using an education visa by enrolling in language classes also arise. There’s conversation around creating a company for self-employment as a way to obtain a work permit, with many participants sharing personal experiences and recommendations for navigating the visa system in Thailand.
Lindsay **********
Maybe its a stupid idea, but if you take some Thai language classes and stay on an education visa you should be able to show residency. It never hurts to speak the language better.
Bim *******
Thailand Elite will help facilitate you getting a WP.
Bim *******
I think I just provided the evidence you can. However you're maybe correct that the Elite visa runs in the background and I never mentioned that the criteria is different for Elite holders only that they will help facilitate the process. At a cost of course.
Ivan ************
You cannot get a work permit on Elite, it's basically a long tourist visa. They say as much there- "In order to obtain a work permit, a non-B visa is required."

So you are still going to have to meet the conditions for the regular non-B and the work permit- there is no suggestion that Thai Elite can bend the rules here in any manner, just that they will help you with the documentation. Which you can do yourself or by hiring your own lawyer/agency for a lot less than 500,000-1,000,000. (And note there they suggest "rates are available on request" there would even be an extra charge for this facilitation service.)

I have not heard from any Thai Elite holder who actually got a work permit through this route. The language is very wooly but it guarantees nothing, it's not a part of this visa.

Further, when the Elite people "help" you to get it, you will not be on your Elite visa any more, it will be replaced by the regular non-B you get instead. I think the Elite visa will remain in the background, so if you subsequently lost the non-B within the 5 or 20 years you could go back to the Elite (sans WP) but 500,000-1,000,000 is an expensive way to go about getting a non-B which you qualify for anyway.
Joe ***********
A permanent resident is the term you're looking for... And getting PR is a fairly rare event.

Digital Nomads live in limbo land. There is no visa for them - but little is done to those here doing it.
Patrick *******
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@Jennifer ***
Pretty much the same, haha - I'm almost through my second passport already. I don't mind paying the 50k to get setup, but it sounds like you have to have 4 Thai employees which gets crazy expensive. Shoot me a PM and lets chat more. Atm leaning towards Iglu until I find a better option.
Joe ***********
Foreign online workers cannot legally work in Thailand, there is no visa / Work Permit to allow it, but as I said previously the Thai immigration police largely overlook it. But that does not mean it can be done openly.
Joe ***********
Visas are applied for and prosessed at Thai Embassies and Consulates around the works. Extensions of Stay are processed inside Thailand at Thai Immigration offices.
Patrick *******
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@Jennifer ***
I can't recall where I saw the breakdown of cost, but here is some info on it:

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I sent out about 10 emails the other day to various firms seeing if anyone can set me up for a work permit. Are you a US citizen looking to qualify for bonafide residency here while working online?
Joe ***********
Jennifer. There are several postings here on the Smart Visa... And unless you are a big time investor it just does not apply. The Smart Visa is not remotely applicable for Digital Nomads (as was rumored months ago) unless you are going to invest 20 Million Baht and start an online services company employing both Thai and Foreign workers.
Patrick *******
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@Jennifer ***
Yeah, I've heard about it but it didn't seem like an effective way for people like us to be here, and pricing wise it seems more expensive. At the moment leaning towards setting up a company and getting a work permit that way. Let me know if you end up finding a way and I'll do the same.
Patrick *******
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Well I don't necessarily need permanent residency. To qualify for bonafide residency from the US IRS perspective, I need to show my intention of living and working here long term. Because I work online (and not for a company in Thailand), this is easier said than done.
Ivan ************
Look up iglu.net. They will employ you, in turn bill your foreign clients and take 30%, out of which they pay your Thai taxes and social security.

Note though you do NOT have to establish bonafide foreign tax residency to claim the FEIE from the IRS if you can satisfy the physical presence test, which just involves making sure you are in a country that is not the US for 330 full days per year.

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Patrick *******
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@Ivan ***********
Yeah, that was my impression too. So considering this, what's the best way to get a proper work permit? Tourist visa isn't going to work and need to get a proper visa. The residency cert may help, but if I'm still on a tourist visa it proper voids that.
Ivan ************
Elite is basically an extended tourist visa, you can't work on it. You can get a Thai residency cert from immigration here even on a regular tourist visa or visa exempt, what I understand the US embassy does is just an affadavit, they basically just stamp that you swore whatever in front of them, they do not verify anything.
Patrick *******
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Thanks, I've heard of them but was told the costs are upwards of $500/month, which is quite expensive but may be the only viable option I've found so far. I'm familiar with FEIE, but I don't qualify for the physical presence test as I spend 45-60 days inside the US each year, and want to qualify as a bonafide resident (gives up to 4 months in the US). Aside from the visa here, I should qualify as a bonafide resident (no home in the US, have a place here, live here, etc). But the visa is the key at the moment and looking to get it sorted out as soon as possible. Any further suggestions are much appreciated. Elite card + proof of residency from the embassy I heard may be possible?
George ******
Better of registering a company and doing your own work permit as the director of the company
Tan ************
Please share. I am interested in this route too
Patrick *******
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Do you know how much this cost and who to go through? Thanks
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