Do I have to pay taxes on 1 million baht cash in Thailand if I live off it for two years?

Dec 4, 2024
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Charles **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
If I were to take out 1 million baht cash hypothetically ….let’s say and kept it in a safe in a house and then received DTV and lived of the 1 million baht (for two years let’s say)

Would I have to pay any tax?
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The question revolves around the tax implications of keeping 1 million baht in cash while living in Thailand. The general consensus from the comments suggests that if the money is brought into Thailand in a year where the individual is not classified as a tax resident (i.e., spending less than 180 days in the country), then it is not subject to Thai taxation. Moreover, funds remitted into Thailand are only taxable based on the individual's tax residency status and the origin of the funds. Therefore, as long as the individual can maintain a non-resident status and the money originated outside Thailand, they would not be liable for taxes.
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Stefan *******
No. No income, no tax.
Michael *******
If the 1 millions was earn before 2024, no tax
John *******
Going forward IAM just loading my Thai bank account monthly from my UK account via wise
Luit *****************
@John ******
sending with Wise is remitting money to Thailand, which can be taxeable if you are tax resident.
John *******
@Luit ****************
no tax on tax paid income in uk
Luit *****************
@John ******
You can deduct in uk paid tax from tax you have to pay in Thailand, so as long as you paid as much or more you don't pay tax in Thailand.
Charles **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Christopher *************
Take out from an ATM? That would be many ATM trips. The maximum is 30,000 Baht at Bangkok Bank (as far as I know). 220 Baht per withdrawal. Probably easier in the bank with your card, and most likely cheaper considering the number of withdrawals.

I would strongly advise against having so much cash lying around though.
Helmut *******
@Christopher ************
You can take money so much you have allowed in your own settings- normally is no limit if you want this risk !
Christopher *************
@Helmut ******
I said per ATM withdrawal (30,000 at Bangkok Bank)
Kevin ********
Hypothetically? you would struggle to do that. You would need an account here to transfer too, you couldn’t carry cash, and if you did you would have to declare it both ends anyway.
Andrew *******
Just gift it to tee rak and she'll take good care of you na
Mar *****
@And***
be gone in less than a few months on 3 sick buffalo's & a few Goats n her Bruva Alcoholic addiction 🤦🏽‍♂️😜🤣
Andy ************
Another one......
Charles **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Jim ********
Why would you pay tax anyway? You're not a resident in Thailand
Elías ********
Withdraw in cash within Thailand? How?

Because if you bring the cash physically, from abroad, you'll end up paying taxes anyway.
Tore *********
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You dont even need to keep it in cash. Ive just been trough a round with tax advisor as my situation is complicated. The "trick" is to bring in the money THIS year if you plan to move to Thailand.

Cash or bank balance doesn't make a difference in terms of tax law. What matters is if you are tax resident or not while bringing in the money. I also believe 1 million is above the limit you can enter the country with *undeclared* cash legally, used to be 20k USD, now 10k USD.

There is so much unnecessary hysteria around the remittance tax, but its very important to prepare BEFORE becoming tax resident,

- Any money you remit into Thailand in a year you are NOT tax resident, is not subject to Thai remittance tax. If you are not spending more than 180 days in 2024, you can bring in as much as you like and that money will not be taxed. Only money you bring into Thailand in the calendar year you are tax resident is subject to remittance tax.

* If you only brought in money in a non tax resident year; You dont even have to file tax return.

You can bring in 5 million baht if you like to a Thai bank account while NOT tax resident. And live on it until it runs out. That money is exempt from tax. (But would be incredibly stupid due to loss of investments gains vs tax of bringing in say 1million a year)

AND remittance tax is not as much as you would think. A million baht without tax credit is effectively taxed under 15%. Remittance tax is calculated same as income tax. (From 5 million its gets expensive) Depending on tax treaty with your home country, in most cases the tax already paid on the money you bring in can be used as tax credit in Thailand.. If tax paid "at home: is more % than rate in Thailand > no effective tax in Thailand. But do check if there is double tax agreements,

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- Capital gains tax:

This can be "reset" in the year before you are tax resident by liquidating/taking profit and buying back in. (If done outside Thailand). This was VERY beneficial for me, coming from a wealth tax country as liquidating doesn't generate taxes where I am moving from. But would not be beneficial if moving from a country where selling assets is a tax event,

- Dept/loans

Taking a loan in your home country and bringing this intro Thailand while Thai tax resident is NOT subject to Thai remittance tax,

- Any money that has been sitting on your bank account abroad from before December 2023 is also not subject to remittance tax is brought in, Regardless of what year bringing in.

There is a YouTube channel called "Thai Expat Tax" with allot of up to date good information,
Sam *********
@Tore ********
"- Capital gains tax:

This can be "reset" in the year before you are tax resident by liquidating/taking profit and buying back in. (If done outside Thailand). This was VERY beneficial for me, coming from a wealth tax country as liquidating doesn't generate taxes where I am moving from. But would not be beneficial if moving from a country where selling assets is a tax event," - i can sell my UK stocks as a non uk tax resident without CGT. but whenever i remit this to thailand it would be taxed if i was a non resident. or do you mean sell overseas and remit when non thai resident?
Tore *********
@Sam ********
From Thailands perspective, no tax for any money brought in within a year you are not tax resident in Thailand. Regardless of source.

What I mean is, before im thai tax resident:

- I sell my investments to cash.

- I buy back again immediately

- Document it

Next year when I am Thai tax resident, the CG are calculated based on the new buying prices. So “resetting” capital gains to zero by selling/buying. This then is the starting point for any future profits taking while tax resident in Thailand when remit said profits.

And yes, needs to be done outside Thailand. And can only be done before becoming Thai Tax resident.

Im not remitting the investments themselves to Thailand. But when i remit future profits as per spending need, the “reset” significantly reduces taxes.

I can for example keep my investments on IBKR and Kraken for example, and change my address to Thailand. From a Thai perspective that investments are still overseas.

Theres no way i would trust my assets with a Thai broker. And I prefer “self custody” to avoid fees eating at gains.
Sam *********
also am i correct to think that even when i am a thai tax resident i can still sell my uk stocks without it being taxable in thailand until i remit?
Tore *********
@Sam ********
“also am i correct to think that even when i am a thai tax resident i can still sell my uk stocks without it being taxable in thailand until i remit?”

Correct
Tore *********
@Sam ********
correct, but as of 2024 when you bring it in to Thailand it would be assessable. You would calculate how much % of the remitted money was profit from original investment.

But yes, with current rules only when actually bringing it into Thailand. (Assuming thai tax resident )

There are talk about Thailand moving to global income tax, but just talk for now. Thailand has a remittance based tax system
Sam *********
ok, i was still trying to work this out. i was not sure if it would still be assesible when remitted to thailand as no tax had been paid overseas on it? i thought any remitted money was assessible unless held prior to 2024 and if tax paid then can use as credit.
Tore *********
@Sam ********
when non tax resident it’s simple, no tax paid in Thailand.
Sam *********
@Tore ********
also if you have a good thai accountant who knows this please drop me a pm.
Sam *********
"You would calculate how much % of the remitted money was profit from original investment. "

so, do you mean.... if i have 100k invested pre 2024. 10k was unrealized capital gains pre 2024. and capital gains from 2024 was say 20k. if i sell all and remit to thailand in 2024 the asessabile parts would be the 10k + 20k for thai personal income tax? .

when you said to "reset" it was something you did priot to 2024 because to reset now would not make any difference in terms of thai tax when remitted.
Tore *********
@Sam ********
“so, do you mean.... if i have 100k invested pre 2024. 10k was unrealized capital gains pre 2024. and capital gains from 2024 was say 20k. if i sell all and remit to thailand in 2024 the asessabile parts would be the 10k + 20k for thai personal income tax? .

when you said to "reset" it was something you did priot to 2024 because to reset now would not make any difference in terms of thai tax when remitted.”

I think you are misunderstanding. (Or I’m misunderstanding you) I did the reset recently, I’m not currently tax resident, but will be in 2025. (I will also bring on enough money to bridge me trough next year before NY, so I don’t have to pay tax until 2026, but different subject i guess. Anyhow:

By selling/rebuying before becoming tax resident in Thailand, you reset capital gains to zero. As you realized them and re-invested. Only gains from that point on would be taxable when remitting to Thailand in the future. (CGT reset)

- so say you sell and rebuy right now. (Assuming not yet thai tax resident) Now your capital gains is zero from Thailand perspective.

- in 2025 you make 10% gains

- you sell some of this and remit into Thailand while at 10% gains (since reset) Say 1 million baht.

- now only 10% of this was actual gains. (10% up from start price) So you only calculate tax against 100k baht. Which is zero % (0-150k is 0%). So zero tax on 1m baht remitted if gains are 10%

in your example you have total 30k capital gains. But how much is the % gains from your total holdings? (%gains from original purchase price) Even if its 30k, if thats only 10% of total holdings, you calculate tax based in 10% of the amount you bring in.

Not sure how to better explain.
Sam *********
OK, so i get what you are saying.

Essentially turning capital gains into savings by"resetting".

This works on the assumption that overseas capital gains are taxed when remitted into thailand and overseas savings are not taxed when remitted into thailand.

but, it was my understanding that all savings post 2024 were classed as assesible income when remitted into thailand.

if thats the case then "resetting" would not actually make any difference as remitted savings are treated just the same as remitted income/capital gains. you would still need to prove tax has been paid on whatever savings/capital gains you remit.

but, this is based on my own research and not a tax specialist so hopefully you are correct. would love to hear others thoughts on this.

.... and an even simpler solution would be to just remit cash for a few years spending during a non thai tax year and every few years become become non thai resident again to remit the next few years....repeat as needed
Sab *****
@Tore ********
i already spent over 180 days in TH this year. How much THB can i max. transfer to my Thai account until I get taxed? And second, how do i get a tax number for the future? When I left Thailand last month, they surely can see I spent over 180 days there but they let me depart nonetheless. So who will check the people who stayed above 180 days in Thailand about their tax returns? Will anything happen once I return? Will i receive a tax number? From who? Immigration?
Steve ********
@Sab ****
Each time you go overseas bring US$10,000 in cash (or some currency equivalent). Invest in a safe at home, and simply exchange the cash for Thai Baht whenever needed. Totally untraceable. People need to stop overthinking this thing
Sab *****
@Steve *******
it's totally traceable. Everytime you go to an exchange office they ask for your passport. No passport - no exchange.
Steve ********
@Sab ****
There's not many lateral thinkers amongst expats these days is there? I get my Thai lady friend to do the exchange. Nothing traceable to me. There's always ways and means! 👍👍😀
Tore *********
its your own responsibility to obtain tax ID from tax authorities and report. If you don’t and get audited; in the future it will sting. Max allowance is very low, i tink 80k baht for single unmarried. But tax is low compared to western countries. As i said, 1 million is less than 15% effective

How to get tax id is a quick google away
Steve ********
@Tore ********
IF you get audited? Yeah, that's really going to happen! Thailand can't even get its own citizens to pay tax!
Tore *********
@Steve *******
Haha, good luck with that 😁

Every Thai person I know that gets a salary paid to a bank account pays tax (obviously). Same with business owners that run their cash flow trough banks. Undocumented cash is hard to audit in any country, not just Thailand.

Thailand isn't some 3rd world country.

I do admire your willingness to take risks for the sake of saving 30 minutes though 😆
Steve ********
@Tore ********
I'm talking generally. It doesn't apply to me as my Australian Tax Residency takes precedence over Thailand Tax Residency according to the DTA, so I'm not required to have a tax ID as I don't have to file a tax return. If I go to one of your buddies they'll charge me
*****
baht to do the unnecessary. That's wayyyyyy too many beers for my liking! 👍
Tore *********
@Steve *******
I understand your point. But technically it does apply to you as well. Despite the end result is no tax for you in Thailand.

You would likely get away with it, unless your bank start requesting tax information like some are starting to do.

Not my “buddy”, and I didn’t pay 12k. But I would agree there’s no need to use a tax advisor to submit a return with just income to report. But again, technically you are also supposed to submit starting 2024.

In 2025 I wont don’t pay taxes to Thailand, but I do plan to submit my pension with dutch tax credits. This will avoid me getting into trouble when i later start bringing in capital gains income.

Anyway, i get your point. But I wouldn’t risk ignoring the new reporting requirements. Especially with the new banking report requirements. Thai RD has been given a massive budget to implement and enforce the new rules.
Steve ********
@Tore ********
Here's a guy with no agenda, telling it as it is.

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Steve ********
@Tore ********
Yes but there's been nothing official anywhere to suggest everyone has to obtain a tax ID or file a return. This is only bs being spread by these parasite tax experts touting for business. I've been in Thailand for 25 years and at least 18 of them I would have been classified as a "Tax Resident" but never once had to file a return. It's all speculation and I'll do nothing until it's formally requested
David ********
@Tore ********
wouldn't pay the agents a stang it's not rocket science just farang freaking out as usual scared they will be kicked out of heaven 😞
Tore *********
@David *******
Definitely, for most people its a non issue, especially for income that is already taxed at "home".

The only real change is people have to start submitting tax returns, but tax credits for most make it just annoying paperwork with no actual financial impact,

But for me personally talking to a tax consultant did save me millions of Baht in future tax owed by restructuring my assets. If your situation is "complicated", spending a few K baht on a tax advisor is great investment.

But you are right, if its just about bringing in pension income etc, its fairly straight forward,
Steve ********
@Tore ********
Have you actually looked at a Thai tax return? It has only fields for "assessable income" - there's nowhere to put "overseas remittances subject to DTA" and nowhere to put "DTA tax credits". So anyone bringing money already taxed simply puts "0's" in ALL the fields. If all expats did this, the Thai Tax Office would go into meltdown. They would have to employ more staff at 50-60k baht per month salary to tick all the 0's. Are there still expats out there believing the cow-dung being spread by tax advisors charging 10,000 baht per hour to "look after your tax"? I thought the Y2K bug was bad enough for morons being fleeced but this Thai Tax Fiasco has revealed to me just how stupid and gullible my fellow expats are!
Tore *********
@Steve *******
Yes, Ive seen the online form/calc tool. Though obviously the 2024 one isn't available yet..... And the official documentation from RD does match up with the "cow-dung" as you so elegantly name it.

But you do you......

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And the "cow-dung" spreaders have saved me a few million baht in future taxes by restructuring my finances. 🤷‍♂️
Steve ********
@Tore ********
Good for you! I won't be conned. I'm retired so I pay zero tax anyway, and zero forms to complete!
Tore *********
@Steve *******
You think I was conned by avoiding millions of Baht in capital gains tax 😅

But yeah you will probably get away with that if its just remitted pension that's subject to DTA. On the other hand, its not really that hard to fill in :

- income

- tax credit

- Have documentation ready in case audit

- see the "zero tax owed" at the end.

I also wouldn't pay a tax advisor if that's all i had to worry about. I would just submit myself. (There are English guides released every year) And I agree its annoying and kinda pointless, but its their country, they write the laws. But its 30 minutes spent a year to avoid potential hassle and penalties in the future. Not to mention the fact that Banks are already starting to ask for tax information. Its nice to avoid funds getting frozen.
Steve ********
@Tore ********
I don't bring in such big sums of money. I'm a property investor in Australia and that's exactly where my CGs remains, usually ploughed into another property. I remain an Australian Tax Resident as the tax benefits are too good to lose. CGT 50% discount, negative gearing, dividend imputation and tax-free threshold. It would be financial suicide for me to adopt Thailand Tax Residency, but being an astute investor my whole life it's so easy to read the Thai Tax laws and the relevant DTAs. Have a listen to what Benjamin Hart has to say about the "tax experts" on the loose in Thailand, sucking people into believing they must have a Tax ID and must file a tax return.

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Adam *********
Please be careful. People do steal. Especially in tourist areas.
Elías ********
@Adam ********
Yeah, especially the tourists do steal.
David ********
It doesn't mean you have to pay tax at all. It's not as simple as 180 days l must pay tax. I have x amount of money l brought into Thailand. It goes beyond that. I would be worrying until the tax man knocks in your door otherwise it's all hypothetical your just guessing and all the experts here thrive in that it's nonsicial just enjoy why you come here. Surely you have more to do that just working about tax ffs
Andy ************
@David *******
Sorry mate, here's the link

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Andy ************
@David *******
I know you share similar views to mine when it comes to the "tax experts" telling everyone to rush off and get their Tax ID and file their returns before the taxman "comes knocking". Just watched this video from Benjamin Hart, and geez, does he give them a serve! "Charlatans who should be rounded up and deported". Worth a look if you haven't already seen it
Bob **********
@David *******
they don’t have the staff to collect from the Thais and it depends on your country’s treaty with Thailand
Jim ********
@David *******
It's the parasite "tax agents" who have slithered out of the woodwork are causing the fear-mongering. Sadly so many people have fallen into the trap. In the highly unlikely scenario where some expats *might* have to pay tax, there will be an amnesty, giving people plenty of opportunity to get their affairs in order
Bob **********
Nobody is paying any tax yet and I don’t think 1 million is enough to live for two years
Makro *****
@Bob *********
Why cannot? You

smoke pots everyday?
Bob **********
@Makro ****
pot is very cheap
Makro *****
@Bob *********
One million

i can live for 4 years!
Bob **********
@Makro ****
you don’t live the way I do
Christopher ******
@Bob *********
42k baht per month is enough to live on if frugal
Wannikea *********
You pay taxes on funds remitted into Thailand and/or taxable earnings from outside. You haven't said where this 1 million originated from.
Kelly ********
If hypothetically you were able to bring this money into Thailand you would not be taxed. But just to be clear, so far the tax on money for those who stay more than 180 days in Thailand has not been confirmed.
Mat ******
The most important thing if you do it is, to inform us where exactly you live 😝
Michael ********
@Mat *****
and where you’re keepingthe 1 million baht!

You know…. So we can keep it safe or something.
Luit *****************
If you bring in the 1 million in a year you live less 180 days, you would not have to pay tax.

If you bring in in a year you live over 180 days you might have to pay tax, which is dependant on your situation, if it is money you already had before 1-1-2024 and if your country has DTA.

DTV has nothing to do with paying tax, you don't pay tax because you get DTV, you get tax resident when you stay over 180 days a year, even on visa exempt.

P.S. I think 1 million is not very much for 2 years...
Abigail **********
@Luit ****************
how would they tax you with visa exempt?
Luit *****************
@Abigail *********
You are tax resident when you stay over 180 days, unless you have a visa that makes an exeption for you.

It is up to you to register TIN and file taxes if you have to pay tax.

I don't expect tax office active looking for foreigners until they have reason to believe something is going on.

People on visa exempt are just as traceable as people with a visa.
Anan ********
1. Did year get Thai bank account yet?

2. Did you get DTV ? Or just your plan for next year

You have to consider at when the money came into the country and when you received your visa ?
Luit *****************
@Anan *******
DTV has no relation at all with paying tax. The relation is with the number of days you live in Thailand
Anan ********
@Luit ****************
This is principle
Anan ********
@Luit ****************
and need to know transfer money in same year?
Anan ********
@Luit ****************
That why I asked when he get DTV because it relates with 180 days
Garry ******
If you managed to bring it in the first place then no, they would never find out.

Then again, why are people so afraid of taxes? If they already paid taxes in their own country, you can pass the receipt for deduction or even exemption.
Stefani ********
It has nothing to do with the amount of money. If you stay more than 180 days per year in most countries around the world, you must file taxes in that country. Taxes paid are based on worldwide income, and the agreement that the country you are residing in and your home country have together. Good luck.
Jim ********
@Stefani *******
I've lived for extended periods in both Germany and UK (several years in each) but never had a file a tax return. I've lived in Thailand for several years already, never needed to file a tax return. If the tax system is getting a shake up here, there will be several years before payments are enforced
Charles **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Jim *******
hopefully yes
Keith ************
@Stefani *******
it's my understanding that Thai taxes are based on money remitted to Thailand only, and not worldwide income, but they are considering adding the worldwide income aspect.
Sam *********
not based on worldwide income as
@Keith ***********
says, it is based on remittance into thailand or money generated/paid within thailand. there were rumours of a new worldwide tax system for thailand rather than the territorial as it currently is but just a rumour for now.
Rhys ******
@Keith ***********
remitted only I believe at the moment but may change, use debit and Visa cards/atms no probs!
Jim ********
@Rhys *****
Credit card transactions are considered "remittances"
Rhys ******
@Jim *******
so you pay tax on what you spend at merchants? How does that make sense?
Jim ********
@Rhys *****
That's VAT. This topic is about "remitting" money to Thailand.
Stefani ********
I live in Canada and am from the United States. I file in both countries and my taxes are based on worldwide income. It has nothing to do with how much money I earn or in which country it is earned . It’s just a matter of filing. Many countries have recently started requiring this if you reside for more than 180 days.
Colin *******
@Stefani *******
it is a Thailand group, and discussing money coming into Thailand. How does your situation have any impact?
Jon **********
“Take out” from where?
Roberto ****
Question is...how do you bring the 1 million baht in legally
Martin ********
You’re going to get lots of opinions and I’d guess no facts.
Greg ********
No, same as if you left it in the bank.