Can you conduct online business in Thailand while on a tourist visa?

Feb 23, 2018
7 years ago
Paul *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
I do apologize if this isn't the correct forum for this question. I just didn't know who to ask.

Would someone be allowed to conduct business here via the internet if they are on a tourist visa? Specifically.. if someone was contracted and being paid a salary by a Chinese company to teach Chinese students in china. ?

Would this be illegal ? Or is this no different from a business person on holiday here and still taking care of his business while on holiday here . ..

Thanks in advance

I'm still not quite sure whether this is a visa question or not. I guess it could be 🙂
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The discussion reveals that working online while on a tourist visa in Thailand is technically illegal. Even performing jobs such as teaching online for a foreign employer can violate visa regulations, which state that working is prohibited on a tourist visa. However, enforcement is generally lax, and many expats engage in online work without facing repercussions, providing they keep a low profile. Opinions vary on the legality and risks involved, with some points suggesting that local officials may overlook such activities if they are not publicly flaunted. Overall, while it might be feasible to work remotely while in Thailand, it remains a legal gray area that could have consequences if reported.
Robert *******
It is illegal, simple as that. BUT Police have to catch you in the deed. That means they have to make proof, pictures, that you are really working and there is the problem. If you work from home, they only allowed to enter with a search warrend but still have to use the door bell. You close program and open door, nobody is working. You sit with a laptop at the beach and can change program when ever you want if you see Police come towards you. I sit and walked around same shop on daily basis, talked with people, had a beer in the late afternoon while Police walked around. One day I gave a costumer some change and with cam's in their hand they arrested me. If I sit on the beach and Police walks in all the people selling clothes, beers, jewelry etc leave their merchandise and start running to lay down hundred meter further without merchandise, claiming we not work. So it is hard to get the proof that's why low law enforcement. The labor law is from 1975 and believe me in that time, nobody heard of internet, smart phones and online working. Look at your Visa it stated clearly Working Prohibited. Keep low profile and you may get away with it, if you have bad luck and get arrested it is the end of living the dream.
Joe ***********
Staying in Thailand near continuously on Tourist Visas is legal - as long as the Embassy/Consulate with give you another one (the trend is limiting the number) Or as long as Thai Immigration allows you to enter (the trend is limiting entries - even one recent case where a person had a new METV but had numerous previous SETV and Exemption Entries. Result - rejected at the airport and sent back).

Or when getting a 30 day Extension to the Tourist visa. (The trend is Rejection with numerous SETV and Exempt Entries - given a denial of Extension and 7 days to leave.) This happened to 3 friends of mine.
Robert *******
Ivan McAvinchey There is no exact example to give you. Why not? Well that is easy, as you can read on every official side: The Immigration Officer can ask more papers. On entry official you need: Proof of funds from abroad, Proof of accommodation and Proof of onward travel within your permitted to stay period. If you come inside Thailand with many tourist Visa or Visa Exempt, with other words you stay inside Thailand a longer time the Immigration Officer CAN or MAY ask, but not have to ask, questions about how you support yourself for this long period without doing any work. Somehow people love to ask questions, what will happen or when will they start asking but as said it is up to the Officer. Somehow people who get denied always have some friend who post without the details, for me it look they are shy to tell the world: I broke the rules, I did not listen and this is what happened in detail. It happens, you can find on this page about a friend who got denied entry at Krabi Airport when she arrived with a NEW METV from her home country the USA.
Ivan ************
@J*
I'm not being argumentative or trolling. I'm just asking for some details? Why won't you give the details?
Joe ***********
I am not here to spoonfeed you. Spend 20 hours a week on immigration forums for a couple of years.
Joe ***********
The enforcement levels change - the rules are many years old
Joe ***********
Ivan, I stand by my statements.

If you don't agree too bad. You need considerably more experience in groups like this reading hundreds of posts.

You are just being argumenative practicing being a troll.
Ivan ************
Note I am not trying to "challenge" you here on this. All the information we have about the ongoing ever-changing practices of Thai immigration come from forums like this. And it varies by office. Like the whole "needing a TM30 for an extension" thing which they need in Chiang Mai but don't care in Bangkok.

So I am just trying to get some more information as to the specific circumstances. So I can file that away in the back of my head along with "when you need to carry 20,000 THB" or "when I need to make sure I have a TM30" or whatever, so if I ever end up in that situation myself I can assess the likelihood.

So I'm just asking for a description of the exact circumstances and the office as this is a new thing, to me, first extension refusals have not been widely reported.
Joe ***********
I did not say there were hundreds. I said out reading hundreds - the inference being if you read hundreds of posts like I do - you will see posts of people being denied
Ivan ************
@J*
I'm re-reading your post and I don't see where you say which immigration office it was?
Joe ***********
You have a problem really reading
Ivan ************
Which office did it happen and when?
Joe ***********
They were not working but the I/O insisted they were
Ivan ************
@J*
there are not hundreds of reports of people being denied a first extension on a tourist visa. In fact I can find only one on Thai Visa, from a few years back, where someone was denied for wearing a singlet in their photo. That's why I'm asking, this is new if you have heard of this happening, I am curious as to the circumstances, as I was under the impression that ONE extension on a tourist visa was pretty much guaranteed.

If it was common you would think someone would have posted about it, but your post is the first I have heard about it. I have heard of being being knocked back at immigration, but never for an extension if they were actually here. This is for a first extension, if they applied for a second extension, I would expect 100% refusal and for them to be given 7 days, that is standard.
Joe ***********
All three that I know of personally were denied a 30 Extension based on suspicion of working illegally based on their track record of living in Thailand using continuous Tourist Visas and Exempt entries according to the questions and statements given to my friends by the I/O
Joe ***********
No it is not new. You just have not read hundreds of posts on Groups like this or Thaivisa. com
Ivan ************
@J*
by "first" I meant "first on that entry". Everyone will be denied if they apply for a second extension on an entry, that's normal. Being denied a first extension is new I think. What immigration office was it?
Joe ***********
Please read what I wrote again.

As I said - I know 3 people who had been denied 30 day extensions of Exempt Entries and Tourist Visas - BUT I never said it was their first.

They all had many entries and SETVs and Extensions before.

My statement was to point out that at some point Extension Apps can and will be denied after many stamps in the passport.
Joe ***********
Online work without a Work Permit - usually with a B Visa is Illegal no matter how you parse it - manipulate it. But, immigration police enforcement against it is scant. However, getting away with it is not the same as being Legal. Something could go wrong any day... pissed off partner, jealous acquaintance - snitches.
Jo *******
TOM DICK & SOMACHAI,,,,,,,,,,🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tod *********
Okay there is nothing in the labor laws that specifically talk about working online because when most of the laws were written I don't think thailand was connected to the inter-web :O

Not to mention the labor laws are very broad as far as what constitutes work here in the country. I don't even know if I can legally use the bum-squirter after I use the toilet or if that's work or if it's a thai only trade ;)

I'd say, no matter what anyone says, IF you work online, generate income in another country, yet live here. Keep your mouth shut, keep your head down, don't go bragging to every Tom, Dick & Somchai what you're doing and your exposure is going to be almost nothing.
Jackie ******
just posted opinion. nothing else. if i post in wrong place, i apologize.
Paul *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Thanks for your reply
@Tod ********
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@Leanne *********
also sent a pretty good article too..
Leanne **********
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Good article
Robert ********
Excellent read, thank you!
Paul *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
brilliant article thanks
Dan *********
Interesting article. The recurring point made by this work permit official seems to be that in most cases if a local Thai can do the job, a work permit is needed.
Leanne **********
Leanne **********
Oliver ********
strictly speaking, it would be illegal unless working through some sort of company / subsidiary in thailand (with a work permit). however, nobody will know your plans unless you broadcast them via the world's biggest social network.
Paul *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Many have given their opinions on how they think the law is.. I was really looking for a solid answer from someone who knows.. I'm not sure it's happened yet.. nevertheless it's all still been interesting.
Paul *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Robert ***********
yeah hopefully..
Steve *******
@Danny *********
. You certainly wouldnt be breaking the law answering an email here. I dont know where you got that from!
Danny **********
Let's just leave it. This is not what the post is about anymore.
Steve *******
@Danny *********
. How about stop scaring the millions of tourists that come here every year that cant answer an email. Stop stalking FB profiles while you're at it!
Danny **********
What? Here, Steve, either give Paul some advice or go take another selfie. Everything I have said is right. You're boring.
Steve *******
@Danny *********
Give it up mate!
Danny **********
Well I am. You can't work online without a work permit. The law is so strict that you can't answer a work email. We all know it's different in practice but I'm just answering the original question about legality.
Steve *******
@Danny *********
You're not proving anything!
Danny **********
I don't agree with it, but it's technically law here.
Danny **********
Here, you are contributing nothing to this discussion. Answering a work email is work. It's MENTAL but technically it's true, look it up! I'm using it to prove a point. In Thai law no online work is allowed.
Steve *******
Work email? WTF are you on about? Doh!
Danny **********
Didn't make it clear enough... answering a work email is classed as work and breaking the law here. Pedantic I know but true.
Chris **********
Grey area. But not really enforceable either way. Plenty are doing it
Peter ***************
A senior official in Chiang May is on record as saying it is fine for digital nomads to work on a tourist visa as long as customers and payment is all overseas. Staying long term on a tourist visa is not legal, however.
Joe ***********
At the same time another immigration official in BKK said it was illegal. Bottom line what one or another immigration official SAYS means little or nothing - What appears in Writing as an Official Immigration Police Order is what counts and that order says working in Thailand without a Work Permit is illegal
Peter ***************
It was a while ago, during the time when they busted some Chinese boiler rooms there.
Jo *******
Bribes? totally legal in Siam.
Danny **********
Paul BurnsPaul Burns you would technically be breaking the law by answering an email here on a tourist visa. BUT you will 100% be fine doing what you suggested. Yes it's technically illegal, no one gives a fuck though.
Santtu *********
@Danny *********
actually it can matter, if you're not receiving funds from Thailand you can prove that you are not engaging in any local work / business. I saw one example where a guy on a tourist visa was visiting and working from his friends office in Bangkok (remotely for a UK company) and some jealous local reported him to the labour dept. The labour dept. officials raided the office and the guy let them go through his laptop, showing them he's just visiting and just doing work for his employer back in the UK. They let him go with a smile.
Paul *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Yeah you're right Robert I did..
Danny **********
My advice Paul Burns, just do it. Don't tell everyone you know. You work in private, dont take a job away from a Thai. What you are proposing is an unwritten rule. Care more about back to back tourist visas long term. Good luck mate.
Danny **********
Doesn't matter
@Robert ***********
. If the work is carried out here it's illegal.
Paul *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
That's what I believe too.. just thought it might have been legally allowed here.. as no Thai company is employing and no Thai customers.. thought it might have been possibly legally allowed.
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