What visa options are available for an unmarried Australian couple relocating to Phuket, Thailand?

Feb 28, 2021
4 years ago
Wayne **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
So we have finally made the decision to set a date and move to Phuket (I already own a condo there). We are both on Australian passports, I’ll be 52 and my partner 42 we we plan to leave. We aren’t married.

I understand that I can do the retirement visa but what type of visa is best for my partner? Or me for that matter, we do intend to use Phuket as base for other travel outside of Thailand but would like maximum flexibility. No interest in student or elite visas. We can cover the financial requirements of the retirement visa also.

An sensible advice would be most welcome, TIA
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The original poster (OP) seeks advice on visa options for themselves and their partner, as they move to Phuket. The OP is eligible for a retirement visa (Non-O) since they are over 50 but needs to determine what type of visa is best for their partner, who is younger and unmarried. Suggestions include: OP applying for a Non-O visa and later extending it for retirement; and the partner applying for a Special Tourist Visa (STV) or potentially an Elite Visa, although concerns over practicalities and the need for marriage for certain visas are mentioned. The conversation explores the intricacies of visa regulations, financial requirements, and living arrangements for unmarried couples.
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Gene **********
Partner may not mean wife??
Paul *****************
No Married Separation Quarantäne to. Get married and no Problems with Visa for Wife.
Janin ******
Because you are old enough for OA or O Visa, and you are married, you only need 800.000 in the bank for the both of you and you can put your wife on the same visa as a dependant.
David **************
I have a visa lawyer I can recommend if needed.
Paula **************
@David *************
please PM me with that info.
David **************
David **************
Jill ******
We had to provide a copy of our marriage certificate on order to stay in the same room in an ASQ.
Wayne ********
she can get a dependent retirement visa on yours this is what my wife got when we moved here from aussie similar ages to you when we applied she can switch to independent retirement visa once passes 50
JD ********
Elite does have a marriage / family rate
JD ********
Elite has gone up to 600,000
JD ********
Sounds right
Wayne ********
@JD *******
but if u buy a family it’s still only 800k for 2 xx
Wayne ********
my error u must be married to get this look at Thai Elite for her it’s 500,000 for 5 years but so hassle free if u can afford it
Janin ******
@Wayne *******
, but still the 90 days!
George *************
True, if they were married ;-) Barring that a retirement visa for him, and either an STV (Special Tourist Visa for 270 days) or Elite visa (5 years) for her is probably the best alternative.
Wayne ********
@George ************
TE yes i have that now excellent and wife also
Wayne ********
@George ************
yes u right my error
George *************
@Wayne *******
I made the same mistake first time I read the OP.
Wayne ********
@George ************
i remember we weren’t married but did because of this ... but TE would have been much easier for us both back then no bullshit
Ivan ************
If you did get married, your wife could get a dependent visa. If not, Elite would be an option but it's expensive. Volunteering is also an option, many people do this and actually volunteer, they are not all pretending.
George *************
Yes, certainly not all volunteer visa holders are pretending, but those who are not pretending actually have to volunteer. If the OP wants to live in Phuket then the sponsoring volunteer organization would need to be in Phuket (as a practical matter). I don't think such arrangements are so easy to come by (but I might be wrong about this).

Only the partner would need to obtain the Elite visa. A regular retirement extension would be best for the OP (based on a Non-O rather than a Non-OA due to the difference in insurance requirements), in my opinion.
Tod *********
Now on the other hand IF you WERE married you should get the year-long, multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type O-A (Long Stay) visa from the thai consulate in your country before you come here and your wife would get a 90 day Non-O visa based on marriage to someone who has a long stay visa.

You'd get stamped in for a year (or as long as your insurance is good for up to a year) and your wife would get stamped in for 90 days. When her 90 day stamp was running down you'd go to the immigration office and she'd apply for an extension stamp that matches yours based on marriage to you.
George *************
True, this is the most convenient way, but the alternative exists (explained in my post above) wherein you obtain a Non-O in Thailand and extend that. The advantage is that the Non-O does not have an ongoing Thai health insurance requirement that must be met every year, while the Non-OA does.
Dee **********
@Tod ********
and if you were married you can quarantine together. If unmarried you will both have to quarantine separately.
Sara ******
@Dee *********
rules changed. You can stay asq together if you are not married.
Dee **********
@Sara ***********
ok, I stand corrected. When did the government change the rule?
Sara ******
Sara ******
@Dee *********
over month ago. It all depends hotel. Over month ago there was about 15 hotel that offer quarantine for friends or unmarried couples.
George *************
Oops, I read right over the "we aren't married" part of your post, so the following wouldn't work. However, it does cover you getting a retirement extension so I'll leave it as written.

The problem is getting an extension for your partner since she is not over 50 which is a requirement for a retirement extension and she would only qualify for a dependent (follow) extension if she were your wife.

My recommendation would be the following:

You and your partner should each get a tourist visa in Australia. As soon as you're out of quarantine in Thailand go to Phuket Immigration and apply for a Non-O Visa in Thailand for yourself by following these instructions:

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As soon as possible open a Thai bank account (Bangkok Bank is recommended) unless you already have one.

At your earliest opportunity (Phuket allows you to do this 45 days early) apply for an extension of stay for purpose of Retirement (sometimes called a retirement extension for short) by following these instructions:

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As soon as this retirement extension is granted to you (it will give you one-year permission to stay), your partner can apply for a dependent (follow) extension by following these instructions:

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Ron ******************
For you a non imm O based on being over 50 years and your partner can go for a STV which should give a maximum of 270 days (what I read). A volunteer visa can be an option. At present I would not set my heart on being able to whiz in and out of Thailand to visit other countries.
George *************
@Ron *****************
This is probably the best way currently available. The STV will give a maximum of 270 days. At the end of that period, I guess it would be possible to return to Australia and get another STV. If she wanted to stay in Thailand a "volunteer visa" acquired through an agent would be a possibility. To be clear this would not be a 100% legitimate volunteer visa (the kind where you actually do volunteer work) but rather a "volunteer visa" which is acquired by an agent in a not strictly above-board manner (which doesn't involve any actual volunteer work). There is a premium cost to be paid for this type of service. An actual volunteer visa for actual volunteer work is not that easy to obtain.
George *************
First of all, this website maintained by the Phuket Immigration Volunteers is an invaluable resource:

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How to navigate the site might be non-obvious. The icon with the three horizontal bars on the left-hand side of the page allows you to go to a different part of the website.
Tod *********
@George ************
it's only valuable IF you're going to get a visa/extension from inside the country AFTER you come here. The O/P can easily get a year long, multi-entry Non-Immgrant Type O-A visa from the thai consulate in his country before he wings his way here
George *************
@Tod ********
True, more convenient to get the Non-OA in Australia but that comes with a Thai health insurance cost that isn't incurred with obtaining the Non-O in Thailand. If he arrives in Thailand with a Non-OA he will forever be required to obtain Thai health insurance from a Thai Immigration approved company, which is not (currently) the case with a Non-O visa.
Tod *********
@Geo***
point taken both him and his wife (IF he gets married) could come on 90 day single entry Non-O's (him based on retirement and her based on married to someone whose retired here) and then he could get his funds into thailand in a thai bank account in his name so he can apply for the yearly extension and his wife would get a matching extension based on his.

That WOULD indeed get around having the mandatory O-A 40K/400K out/in health insurance
Bobby ********
George Marinkovich. Having medical insurance is actually not a bad thing although many seem very frightened of it. Before covid there was talk of bringing it in for all longstay visa categories, which may still happen. Anyone approaching 74 would be wise to take out insurance as it stays valid until age 99, whereas to get insurance at 75 for the first time is almost impossible, so there will be many older retirees who will be unable to extend further
Wayne **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@George ************
legend, thx for that. I’ll take a look
David ******************
Actually, I want to visit Australia for scuba diving near Cairns, and maybe stay a few days in Coogee Beach .... When are the Aussies opening up their country for tourists?
Wayne **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@David ********
not anytime soon I’m afraid. No dates have even been discussed. We have only just started the injection rollout 🙄
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