What should expats know about denial of entry into Thailand?

October 2, 2023
a year ago
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS:

TOPIC: Denial Of Entry

More than a few people (especially ones with extensive entry/stay histories entering at Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang) have been denied entry.

First off denial of entry is NOT being deported. You have to be stamped IN to thailand to get deported. On a denial of entry your attempt to ENTER thailand was denied (you didn't even get stamped in ;) :P ).

There's some confusion how it works.. When you're denied entry the OFFICER denying you entry has the choice to do one of three things;

1 - Send you back to where you just flew in from

2 - Send you back to any country you can buy a ticket for

OR

3 - Send you back to the country of passport origin. <- not all that common but can happen

One thing I want to let people know is they're going to hand you a form all in thai that they want you to sign. My advice is do NOT sign it :O . There is nothing bad that happens if you don't sign it (no matter how much they pressure you to). If you do sign it almost 100% they WILL put a denial of entry stamp in your passport but if you don't sign it, people are reporting they don't put the DOE stamp in your passport. Of course it's still in the computer as a denied entry, but it's not visible to someone just thumbing thru your passport looking at your stamp history.

One thing that people get wrong often is on a denial of entry YOU are responsible for paying your own way out, the air carrier is not responsible for your fare out.

There are holding cells at both Don Mueang & Suvarnabhumi airports where you stay until your flight out. There's wifi, and you can have them get food for you.

If you're denied entry at a land border, they just turn you around and send you back from where you just left. The country you just left cancels your exit stamp and you get back in there.

Most every case of denial of entry (no matter what they tell you the reason is) gets the same reason code in the passport for why you were denied. Immigration Act Clause 12 subsection 2 - ไม่มีปัจจัยยังชีพตามสมควร = no reasonable means of sustenance <- no proof of funds. They will use this reason EVEN if you showed them 20K baht or the equivalent in cash :O

At land entries IF you can't keep track and try to get a third free entry during the calendar year, you will get denied because of the immigration act clause 12, subsection 1 - ไม่มีวีซ่าเข้าประเทศ = no visa to enter thailand.. and it will say the border you were denied at

Long story short denial of entry is not all that bad. I mean it's not good obviously but many many people are denied entry every week in the country. Mostly due to extensive entry/stay historys, history of being here during covid extensions, an ED or Volunteer visa (gotten during covid), foolishly picking the wrong border to try to enter at (AVOID Aranyaprathet/PoiPet) OR just not paying attention to how many free entries they've made by land so far this year.

Also if you have a valid visa in your passport and are denied entry, it does NOT cancel the visa. You are free to use that visa for another entry try some other time or place :)

Almost everyone denied entry just tries to enter again, either at another border, another airport, some get tourist visas from thai consulates and enter by land, and MOST everyone does get it.

Hope this was helpful, :)
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TLDR : Answer Summary
This post provides detailed information about denial of entry into Thailand, explaining the difference between denial of entry and deportation. It highlights that denial of entry can happen for various reasons, primarily due to extensive entry histories or issues with visa types. The author advises against signing any forms upon denial and clarifies that individuals are responsible for their own travel costs back. It also discusses the common reasons for denial, including lack of proof of funds, and reassures that having a valid visa remains unaffected. The comments further expand on these themes, sharing personal experiences and emphasizing the importance of obtaining appropriate long-term visas to avoid complications.
Dave *********
@Tod ********
thank for this post, very helpful. But can I ask if someone did have a few Covid extensions and ed visas and unfortunately got a DOE, could you theoretically get a new passport and ones slate is wiped clean so to speak of is it all still in the system
Jonathan **************************
The days of being able to get a *completely* clean slate with a new passport are very much over.

With the touch of a button, your entire history *can* be seen, including previous passports.

However, that isn't to say there are *no* benefits to getting a new passport; the IO might not necessarily do said history check, and just look at your existing few pages.
Michael *********
Recent experience (Australian)….

Entered Thailand on Multi EntryTourist Visa early May valid until 30 September.

After 1st 60 days, got 30 day extension. Then border bounced to Cambodia for a further 60 days.

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flew to Penang, returning to Dom Mueang
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Questioned by IO why I’m coming to Thailand. Stated tourist on METV. She replied I come to Thailand many times, which was very true but always on Tourist Visas. Anyway, after producing my airline return ticket to Australia to her supervisor, I got stamped in for another 60 days.

I was a bit surprised by it all, nonetheless.
Cm *********
@Tod ********
excellent information, if people read your detailed explanation it should relief the stress for visitors. It might also avoid ugly scenes at the immigration desks.
Ross **********
I've been denied at land border and then stamped in same day at different border just luck of the draw.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Ross *********
yep a LOT of people have been denied at the poipet border with cambodia and slogged over to Ban Pakard, Ban Laem or Chong Chom and gotten right in 😮
Paul *********
Great info, thanks Tod. Do we know if this is mostly happening to specific types of visas? Are those holding Marriage visas getting the same denial of entry?
Charles ********
They took me to one side. Apx 5 Western males all same age. One young American. One young taiwanese. My second stop in over 40 years!

Last time l was 18 and UK had won the Falkland back ! It's the long Covid stay that causes it. The man said " why don't you have visa?" He was fine . Pressed a button. But the The "lady" was horrible . One really nice officer was acting like a sort of middle man. She didn't like my answers and tried several times to catch me out in a really lame way. It was like she was reading from a script. The nice officer was cringing . He was obviously having a bad time. A few people like me were asked a few questions all concerning why we stayed so long during Covid and was still using tourist visa. The woman was a bitch but kinda gave up when her stick wasn't working with us. She decided to pick on the girls because it was. The officer was so nice and polite and logical ( perfect English) it was funny. When she was busy he would quickly allow as many as he could in sending us through the express queue on far right .I had to wait and l actually respected this young officer. He was polite and took time to logically and reasonably explain.

Sitting there l thought he did a great job. I didn't see anyone not able to get in ( no idea about American.)
Paul *********
@Tod ********
Cheers Tod, good to know. 👌
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Paul ********
Totally agree with Jonathan (y)
Paul *********
@Jonathan *************************
Thanks, I was hoping that this would be the case. Cheers. 👍
Jonathan **************************
@Paul ********
It looks like no. Haven't encountered any cases of people being denied on a marriage visa. Marriage is, after all, a perfectly valid reason to stay long-term in any country.

The focus seems to be primarily on people on exemptions & tourist visas who are not actually tourists.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
Here's a really clear REASON code on this denial of entry stamp

ไม่มีปัจจัยยังชีพ
Robert *******
It is all in the game, to avoid the stress and hassle, get the correct visa for your long term stay in Thailand, even when you do not like the set requirements. After all, it is YOU who want to live in the land of smiles.
Cm *********
@Robert ******
excellent advice.
Lewis *******
helpful
Jonathan **************************
Now that tourism is basically back to normal, this is probably just them gently clearing out the people who've been here for extended periods on Covid extensions and then been doing tourist visas and exemptions since.

The message seems to be, basically, "Hey, now that the pandemic is over and the borders are open.... its time to get a long-term visa if you want to stay here longer - or we're going to at least make it more of a headache for you".
Charles ********
Exactly what I experienced
Cm *********
@Jonathan *************************
that seems a good interpretation of Thai Immigration thinking.
Rob **********
Explained perfectly Tod.
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