What is the recommended sequence of events when moving to Thailand for expats?

Mar 28, 2024
9 months ago
John *********
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Is there a semi orderly guide posted anywhere for the sequence of events when moving to Thailand?

What I mean is say I arrive from the US with a international driving permit on an a 30 day exempt and grab the extension at the airport for a total 60 days, what needs to happen first besides a LEO and a 7-11 Toastie?

There must be some things dependent on others and a flow when it comes to establishing a bank account, long term rental, drivers license, Visa (ED or retirement), setting up utilities and long term phone and internet, etc

I know i need a bank account to get the visa, but do i need a rental agreement to get the bank account?

Do I pay cash to get the rental until I get the bank account set up?

Bringing an international driving permit, do i need rental agreement and the visa?

I am about a year from moving, but want to hopefully avoid a loop of denials with every action dependent on the others.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
When moving to Thailand, it's essential to be aware of the sequence of events related to your visa and residency. Begin by obtaining a Non-O visa from your home country if you're over 50, which simplifies opening a bank account. Upon arrival, your 30-day visa-exempt entry cannot be extended at the airport; it must be done locally. For long-term rentals, some may require a bank account, but you can lease a place while waiting to finalize banking arrangements. An international driving permit is necessary if you intend to drive, as it aids in obtaining a Thai license later. Additionally, settling in a location long enough to get accustomed to Thai life before committing to long-term agreements is highly recommended.
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Gray ******
The Ministry of Checklists and Infographics needs to be created.
Zoe ******
Everything can be done quite easily as long as you have your visa situation sorted.
Jim ********
As from the 1st of next month, certain airlines will be able to issue your 30-day extension during the flight.
Henning **********
Sort your visa. The rest is peanuts in comparison's ...
Dave *********
You can get a visa online thru your nearest Thai consulate. Goggle Thailand E Visa and it should take you to the website.

Once you are here and you rent a place to live, you should be able to get a bank account as you will need some documentation of where you are staying. I found that Bangkok Bank was the most friendly towards Farangs. 

Most rentals will include utilities, if you want good Internet and TV, we use BBB and I like that a lot.

You may wanna keep two cell phones. One for your US phone number and get another one for your Thai Phone. I found AIS to be very good as far as Internet while in Thailand and pretty reliable phone service.

An international drivers license is recognized in Thailand and good for one year. You can work on your tide drivers license later, but it’s not a high priority as long as you have your international license. If you plan a motorbike, make sure your international drivers license is also approved for motorcycles .
Terary **********
I use google voice for my US number. That will require you have a friend in the US that will allow you to use their number. It can get setup so the friend is never bothered by the calls.
John *********
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@Dave ********
Thanks for the reply Dave. on my last visit I bought a $100 unlocked phone on amazon and used that with an AIS tourist sim. worked well on its own, and as a hotspot for my main phone. My IDP will have my motorcycle endorsement. Motorcycle will be an added luxury in time, but even as a rider for 40+ years, I am not sure I would want to ride in some of the busier parts of Bangkok!
Joe ******
It's all part of the adventure of being a new immigrant😊

Good tip is when you go to immigration to get a certificate of residency, get 2 or 3 at the same time, as you might need for different things.
Alan ******
Joe Mann Joe, Adventure is the key work here. 🤣😂
Joe ******
@Alan *****
precisely 😊
Rok ********
Only 30 day extension of the 30 day exemption. And not at the airport but at the local immigration office. 60 days not enough to open bank account, clear 800k and season for 2 months. Opening bank account without a Non-O visa tricky. So do get a Non-O visa in your home country before you arrive.
Henrik *****
Have you ever stayed longer than a couple of weeks holiday in Thailand ?

If no, then start out doing a 60 days touristvisa and extend that with 30 days.

That way you will get a feeling of how it is to stay in Thailand, when everyday life kicks in, and it may / may not be as interesting as a couple of weeks holiday.

You will also need to try out a couple of places, before you decide where to settle down.
Thomas *******
Hahaha, you a funny guy 👦
John *********
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Thanks Chuck. I have motorcycle endorsements on my license.
Chuck *********
I came last year for a month and used an agent to open an account. Returned to US and deposited/transferred the prerequisite 800k in the account. Returned 2 months later after it was "seasoned" Then used an agent to apply for my Retirement visa. Took a month for Immigration approval. In the meantime I used an agent to get my driver's license - had IDP so only had to take color and reaction test. Make sure you have both motorcycle and auto on IDP.
John **********
@Chuck ********
helpful 👍
Steven *******
@Chuck ********
You can get the motorcycle endorsement on the IDP only if you have a motorcycle license in your home country.
Andy **********
@Steven ******
my home country car driving license, and IDP has motorcycle entitlement on it, but I don't have a full motorcycle license from my home country, I converted my home car license into full thai car and motorcycle licenses, at the land and transport office, by doing a simple colour blind and reaction test.
Chuck *********
Andy **********
@Chuck ********
you only need to have motorcycle entitlement, on your home country licence together with an IDP, to obtain full Thai car and motorcycle licenses, you don't need a full motorcycle license from your home country.
Steven *******
@Andy *********
That may be true but it doesn't cost any more to ask them to add the motorcycle endorsement when you get your IDP.
Andy **********
@Steven ******
I'm from the UK, your standard car license has motorcycle entitlement to ride Upto a 50cc motorcycle in the UK, or you can do a CBT course, which then allows you to ride Upto a 125cc in the UK, after that it is a full motorcycle test, when you get an IDP from the post office, it will just be stamped with what ever licenses you can present to them, I only have the very basic motorcycle entitlement, but it was easy to converted them into full thai car and motorcycle licenses.
Terary **********
I understand the desire to be prepared and/or organized. But this is Thailand and you'll quickly nothing is what it seems.

The driver's license isn't necessary unless you want to drive a car. Some people choose to drive cars, I prefer a motorcycle (scooter in American speak). International Driver's permit aren't as useful as people think. There are a couple of individuals in this group that insist there is a benefit, I haven't found that to be the case... Maybe for car rentals.

My recommendation is plan to stay one place or another for only a month at a time. Get to know the place before you rent for a year. AirBnB is good for this but AirBnB aren't entirely legal (nothing is as it seems). If you choose to go with a non-hotel situation you will need to concern about the TM30. This is the process of informing immigration you are in town. This must be done within a couple of days of arrive. Hotels will do this for you, private individuals (airbnb) may or may not do this for you... The TM30 is a whole other conversation and a silly process to boot but its necessary.

You will not likely put utilities in your name until you own. You simply just pay the bills.

You get your extension from immigration which requires you file the TM30. Every immigration office is different and some will only accept the application 2 weeks before or stamp (visa stamp) expires. So you worry about this requirement after you've been in town for a little while.

You will want to consider your visa options before you come. If you are 50+ you have a couple of retirement visa options available to you. Another option is Multiple Entry Tourist Visa (METV) this will get you 9 months if you manage your border bounces correctly. Each retirement visa has different requirements and the money requirement can be a little challenging if you do have a bank account.

You will find it difficult to open a bank account, especially on a visa exempt or tourist visa. This means you will have to go to several bank branches, hire an agent, or get advice from someone who knows.

Banks are a little odd. You open an account at one branch, that becomes your home branch and other branches may not be able to help you with some of your requirements. So if you open a bank account in Bangkok and decide to live in Koh Tao, you will have some headaches at immigration getting bank paperwork, or you have to go back to Bangkok... Again this is something you will navigate when you get here and you have an opportunity to talk to other foreigners (not all of them are on this facebook face).

I think your plan should be.. Come on a tourist visa tour around Thailand find the place you want to call home for 1+ year, then look at step 2. Chaing Mai, Phuket, Pattaya, Bangkok, Koh Samui, etc. Many places to visit to know the place that is best for you.
Gordon *******
John *********
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@Terary *********
I am over 50 now, waiting until my daughter's age off my company health insurance. I have traveled around Thailand a little, and being a pretty quiet person as well as a soon to be retired person I am looking at the suburbs/outskirts of Bangkok for the first year and possibly doing a Ed visa and language school. Not out of need, but going from a 40 hr workweek to nothing and being somewhere new at the same time may be a little much. Having the structure and schedule of classes would suit me well.
Terary **********
@John ********
The thing about ED visas is that some people use them to get illegitimate long term stays. Immigration officers are aware of this so they may look twice at your passport. I am not saying its a bad idea just that it may be cause for longer conversations at the immigration. Also, from what I understand, if you are on an ED visa, you may have to take tests to prove you're studying and actually learning.

I lived in Bangkok for 4 years. I loved it. Eventually I got tired of not speaking the language so I moved to Pattaya where English is better understood.

I am also a quiet person so I found a quiet neighborhood in Pattaya. I am naturally a city dweller so the situation suites me because I can be in big city yuck when I want and I don't have to live in it.
John *********
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@Terary *********
I can't vouch for my success, but again I think learning the language would be a great challenge and rewarding. If I cannot work, may not be able to volunteer, and don't have the urge to be a bar fly, I think it would be good to have school, and take advantage of the daily opportunities to use the language I am learning.
Andy **********
@John ********
you say you want to study, rather than doing an Ed visa, that needs 90 day extensions at the same immigration office, and you would likely need to stay in that location to attend the school, and you need a 12 month rental contract for an Ed visa, also the extra expense, a much better option would be to do the retirement visa, and maybe attend private language classes, or if you want to travel study on-line, there are lots of options to choose from, so don't forget you're laptop 😉
Wylie *******
@Terary *********
The IDP is absolutely necessary if you want to drive anything legally, even a motorbike. Although the police may or may not require it the biggest issue with not having one is no insurance will cover you for any accident on a motorbike, or car, if you do not have one with a motorcycle endorsement. A quick search will result in many gofundme posts for tourists that thought differently.
Braulio *********
The OP is clueless
John *********
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@Braulio ********
Hello Braulio. I am sure you meant well, but maybe you could rephrase your comment? It does not seem to answer any of my questions or bring clarity.
Terary **********
@Braulio ********
Kinda the point of the group is to help clueless people, glad you joined.
Ruth *******
@Terary *********
the folks who are clueless are the ones who join not understanding that 🤣
Ruth *******
@Braulio ********
actually, he has several clues and he has a year to research more. Your comment provided no help whatsoever, but maybe it made you feel superior. Perhaps seek such validation elsewhere in your life.
Wylie *******
@Henry ********
I'd still recommend the IDP. That way he can drive legally until he gets around to getting the license. That first few months can be quite busy so it's one less thing to worry about right away.
Henry *********
@Wylie ******
The IDP is not a driving licence, it's just a translation of your home licence into different languages. Thailand accepts English, so if your home licence is in English, an IDP makes no difference. That said, the police, car rental companies etc in Thailand are not legal experts and while technically unnecessary if you have a valid home licence in English, it may make things smoother if you have an IDP. Either way, you will need to get a Thai licence after 6 months.

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Wylie *******
@Henry ********
yes, I understand what an IDP is. Despite your article I still would not trust that the insurance company will pay out without an IDP, even if your home country license is in english.
Henry *********
@Wylie ******
Yes, it can pay to play safe.
Erik ******
It was also what made the difference with me being able to open a bank account but not my wife, who lacking an IDP couldn't initially do the same.
Wylie *******
@Erik *****
hadn't heard that one, but doesn't surprise me. The biggest thing with having the IDP, with motorcycle endorsement if you want to legally ride a motorbike, is for insurance purposes. They may still very well find a way to deny one's claim if in an accident, such as not wearing a helmet, but it at least removes a surefire way of being denied.
Henry *********
As others have said, get the appropriate visa before leaving. You cannot extend a 30-day visa exempt entry at the airport anyway. I used my UK driving licence to get my first Thai licence, no need for an IDP.
Ruth *******
I’d STRONGLY suggest you search this group for information on three things:

1) retirement visas (that’s what it sounds like you’re seeking)

2). Driver’s licenses

3). ***bank accounts***

Your head will spin but you’ll have soooo much information. Amongst what you’ll find is confirmation of what Brandon and Stuart told you. You’ll see folks (maybe even me 🙂 ) desperately trying to open bank accounts to no avail on a tourist visa. Opening one on a long-term visa is soooo much easier. You can then focus on the license and the extension.

Read up. There’s so much info available from very helpful people.
John *********
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@Ruth ******
Thank you Ruth, and others. I can patch things together and have done searches on my short time in the group, just trying to learn from the experiences. I know Thai processes can vary, and are fluid, but from the thread so far starting with a longer initial entry is always a good plan
Dawn **********
@John ********
I think stating where you will be located will aid in the responses to the various rules in that area.
John *********
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@Dawn *********
The thread has branched out in quite a few directions. I think i mentioned it somewhere, but looking for the outskirts of Bangkok initially. quieter, access to BTS /MRT, a 7 /11 and some street food. looked around OnNut last trip, and google map exploring areas along the purple line extension as well. I dont need the tourist attractions on my doorstep. At home now i live in a 50sqm loft. I drive my car once a week on average, bike to work and use public trasport. and don't mind putting some walking miles into the day. It gets as hot here as Thailand but without so much humidity. I think i can continue to be a homebody in a small space in Thailand. Pension will be plenty to cover expenses and some weekend explorations, and my earliest social security draws if wanted or needed will be only a few years behind, and would consider a little more lavish and scenic location then.
Brad *********
YouTube working for you. He’s a Canadian and has good advice.
John *********
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@Brad ********
He does. Definitely helped with my first visit.
Stuart *********
As
@Bra****
says it’s probably better to get a Non O visa from your country before coming to make getting the bank account easier. It’s doable on an exempt or tourist visa entry but generally only by using an agent.

Bring an IDP with you which makes getting your Thai license much easier and not having to do the theory or practical tests.

There’s almost certainly a 7-11 in or near the airport that will supply the Leo and ham and cheese toastie that you’ll need before any venture further.
Brook ********
@Stuart ********
is spot on.

I would add… port your cell number to Google voice, apply for a Wise debit card, and open a bank account and credit card with no international fees with Charles Schwab.
Dawn **********
@Brook *******
Charles Schwab reimburses of all ATM fees on checking account that your card is attached to.
Sue **********
@Stuart ********
Is this new? I had to do all tests (theoretical) during hours although I had an IDP 🤷🏻‍♀️
John **********
@Sue *********
you may or may not have to watch a video but the theory and practical tests should be waived if you have a home license and valid IDP
Rick ******
@John *********
I have USA IDP good for about a year I believe. My USA driver license expires on August 1 2024. Are you aware of any rules like my driver license needs to be valid for six months to get Thai drivers license? I’m here on METV. Thx!
John **********
@Rick *****
if your licence expires your IDP expires with it. I know that you can only drive on an IDP for 3 months when you enter Thailand but as your on METV you can only enter for 3 months at a time anyway. But whether or not you can convert this to a Thai licence will depend to a great extent on where you are. My DLT office requires you to be on a long term visa before they will issue one. You also need a medical certificate and a residence certificate, some immigration offices will only issue a residence certificate if you are on a long term visa and have done a 90 day report
Rick ******
@John *********
Thx. Ok well another chance at the wheel. I have all the docs so will give it a go. Thx again for the excellent info.
Stuart *********
@Sue *********
Could be an office specific requirement. You wouldn’t normally be required to with an IDP.
George *************
@Sue *********
Typically with a valid IDP and foreign license you can obtain the Thai equivalent license(s) by only doing the physical tests: stopping reaction test and traffic light color recognition test. Practical driving test and written theory test are waived.
Brandon ************
Well the first thing is that you won't be getting any extension at the airport, because there's no immigration office at the airport. You get an extension from your local immigration office. You'd probably be better off applying for a tourist visa before you arrive so you can get 60 days and can apply for a 30 day extension, giving you 90 days to figure things out.

But if you want to go the retirement visa route, you might consider getting the visa from the Thai embassy at home before you travel since it'll help you get a bank account that you'll need.
John *********
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@Brandon ***********
I was confusing purchasing re entry at airport with the extention.
Brandon ************
@John ********
you can only do that on departure not arrival. Also if you're not going to be leaving the country during the days of your initial entry stamp, it would be a waste of money.
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