I’m planning on moving to Thailand by July/August. My professional background is in mental health counselling, but I don’t think there is much of a market for that there, so I recently got TEFL certified and am looking at teaching as my entry point. I do have a bachelors degree in psychology and hoping to getting my masters aventually
Ideally, I would like to secure a job before moving so I can enter on the proper work visa. Worst case I’ve considered entering on a tourist visa and applying for jobs once I’m there, but I’m a bit worried about the risks with that approach.
In an ideal world, I’d love to get a DTV because I do have a small online business, but from what I read online (correct me pls if im wrong!) , I would need to show 500,000 THB in my bank account and realistically I do not think I’ll have that by July.
For someone in my situation, what would you recommend as the most realistic and safest path? I want to avoid any risk of denial of entry, since I’m not truly coming as a tourist. Im 25 and I'm not really use to this whole thing so I just want to make sure I meet the proper steps...
Thank you in advance for any advice.
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The post discusses an expat's plans to move to Thailand in July/August to work as a teacher after obtaining TEFL certification. They seek advice on securing a proper work visa versus entering on a tourist visa, as well as exploring options related to their mental health counseling background. The discussion mentions the difficulty of finding teaching positions during the summer and the importance of having financial stability, considering alternatives like a DTV visa or applying for teaching jobs before arrival.
The best thing in your situation would be to go to the Philippines instead. The visa situation is easier. You can work in a lot more fields as a foreigner. And most people in the big cities speak perfect English, making hiring English speaking employees more common.
The mental health interests me as I do voluntary work in psychiatric hospitals in Chiang Mai - counselling was part of my UK work (Master's in Psychology and founder member of the PTSD group in the old BAC organisation). Find me on Messenger for a chat! I'll leave your requests for Visa etc to the experts. I've retired here - 22 years ago!
I’m a retired Marine going in June! You going to have impatient services? I would be your number one customer even though the Lord healed my PTSD, depression, and anxiety!
go on a tourist 60 day visa exempt then line up a teaching job. they should help you get your work visa if they are a legit school. once in thailand you can check out where and what schools .
You have to be on a non immigrant business visa to teach, DTV will not help you work in Thailand. Also keep in mind teaching jobs pay like 30k or 40k Thai baht a month - doesn’t even cover my rent and electricity bill. 😂
If you come without a job, odds are you’ll leave to Vietnam after 90 days. Best to have the job locked down before unless you’re very financially stable. Or maybe come as a tourist and try to make job contacts and familiarize yourself, go back home and try to lock down a job.
Colin Dorman yep but I live in a three bedroom house with a pool near a city 🤷♂️ I didn’t move here to live in a box or do without. Condo life was atrocious to me and I have no interest living in remote Thailand cut off from civilization, I could’ve stayed in Kentucky for that and using the same amount of electric, my electric bill would be much cheaper. Honestly People over blow the cheapness of living in Thailand by lowering their standards of living beyond where I’m comfortable. I CAN live very cheaply here but it’s not my vibe. I spend more than your rent and electric on beef from Bangkok beef each month. 😂
I am a teacher and it's best to be employed from your home country and get a job in an international school. That way they will organise everything for your visa and flights. It is not easy being a teacher in Thailand and if you are not actually qualified as a teacher it will be more difficult however with your qualifications you could probably add a lot of value to a school. If you get a job at an international school they will also pay your health insurance.
Dtv is best option, I know you said you don't have the funds. Do you know someone who could put the money in your bank for 3 months?
If not your options are limited to multi entry tourist visa and build from there. Get there, find a job and keep going. You'll be able to get it all sorted.
You unfortunately cannot work on the DTV Visa as it is considered a long term tourist Visa, you can enroll in cooking classes Muay Thai, but not aloud to work. You also need prof of money in your own bank account so probably not the correct visa for you. Definitely check out the Teaching visas.
There is a market for mental health, but most jobs like that forbid foreigners from working them, also I assume you don't speak thai so that's another barrier that you'll face as you need to speak to people and understand their problems. If you were thinking you're coming here to assist foreigners only forget about it, thailand is not the place to create jobs that doesn't benefit thai people (what europe should do in my opinion). Learn thai first and then speak to employers and get sponsorships
Ajarn.com is a Thai teachers website you can post your resume. If you have a masters in Councelling you can apply to international schools as school counselor. Otherwise, be prepared to make about 30,000 baht a month and live somewhere there is little to nothing going on, or you can potentially find work at a language center and work 6 days a week.
My only suggestion would be to try to save up considerably more than 500,000 baht. Thailand is not as inexpensive as it used to be, and that amount of money won't get you very far. Otherwise, I wish you success and happiness.
There are many teaching in Thailand groups on Facebook so I suggest you join them. You cannot officially get a teaching job in Thailand unless you are educated to degree level in any subject.
If you don't have B500k liquid how do you expect to live in Thailand? Lots of expenses to get set up in the country. I would not even think about relocating until I had double the finances.
get the job lined up before you get here. It is not easy to get a work permit after you arrive and there are many fishy schools which will give you a job but never the correct visa. If you have to delay your arrival and you're intent on being in Thailand and working a job, apply on line from your home country.
Honestly, you are 25 and in the prime of your working years. Stay in your own country and grind. Thailand is something you should enjoy at the end of the road.
Hey Portia, fuck what everyone else is saying. Listen to your heart and trust that everything will work itself out with ease. I’d recommend to check out ajarn.com and Teacherhorizons.com. I am currently on DTV which i think is a good option, but if you’re not able to show the funds then definitely consider tourist visa or education visa for short term until you connect with a job. May everything work itself out for you 🍀
I did the government school teaching gig on and off from 2005 til 2015 when it was a headache already. Talked to an old colleague recently, he told me it got worse, in many ways, paperwork, working conditions, pay, teachers from SA, Nigeria and of course the Philippines.
Generally wages are stagnant or haven't increased much, while living costs doubled and tripled in the last 20 years.
Reading your post is red-flag after red-flag after red-flag. You don't just move to a country without even knowing the right time of year to arrive, and shouldn't expect to work in your own profession when you don't speake the local language and would require any potential employer to pay you multiples of a local's salary and secure an expensive|difficult work permit for someone who might just leave if they don't quite like everything they thought would be dreamlike til they got here - 'mental health counselling' is just a fake field to be in for people who aren't actually qualified to do anything. You need to hold a 4-year degree and be from a native-speaking country to be able to land a job here with a 'living wage' salary but, remember, pay here is half what you get in other countries in the region, and it's not a cheap country to live in at all. If you are still reading after the reality check, ok: if you qualify for teaching work, you need to apply during April to start in May - use ajarn.com and kruteacher to apply, and see if you get any responses before heading out here. There is no such thing as a tourist visa - you arrive on a 30-day stamp which you can extend by a further 30 days: if you start a job immediately, that will give an employer the necessary time to prepare your papers for YOU to go to Laos and pay for your nonB visa which leads to your work permit [currently, you receive 60 days, but the government has already to decided to reduce it to 30, and that will be probably before you arrive here]. Being a new teacher isn't a problem, you can learn as you go, and your fellow teachers will advise you, show you where good teaching resources are, etc. If you have read all this, and you know you're one of the genuine people who will really come here and give teaching a shot, genuinely wish you GOOD LUCK and i hope it all goes really well for you.
Thank you for the link. I understand your concerns, but I promise im not going into this blindly. I have a bachelor’s degree and working towards my masters as well as years of experience working with youth, and I’m actively researching my options. I’m aware teaching is the most realistic entry point, which is why I've gotten my TEFL and I’m open to learning and adapting. I’m just trying to explore opportunities and build toward my long term goals :)
Portia Kay Ignore that person, they're your typical bitter expat gatekeeper, groups and forums like this are full of them. Honestly better to just do your own research, ai can be a great help as well.
Here's a suggestion, many international schools employ student counsellors on the same level as they do teachers, international contract with the benefits...you may want to see if that fits your background too...then the TEFoL is an added string to your bow.
Terry Johnson International schools hire their staff before they come to Thailand.
I doubt they hire anyone from within Thai. Unless there is emergency (someone left for whatever reason) and still they would pouch someone from another international school.
Edit. Our Nagoya International School has "Positions open" for teachers as well as for councelors, people apply there and are sourced from that pool. All that before they leave their country.
Assistant teachers (bilingual) for kindergarden and primary, can come locally.
You might be very surprised. There is a lot of need for Mental Health Councilling in Thailand. Reach out to the large Hospital groups and withdrawal and wellness retreats across Thailand.
ThrillingBison1606 do you know of any farang working in that type of setting? Unless they are fluent in Thai I dont see that working, but show me some ads looking for farang at these centers. "" I STAND CORRECTED, I DONT MIND ADMITTING A MISTAKE ^ BISON IS CORRECT. "
Just come on a tourist visa have a look round see what’s available work for you ,,, you never know you might meet a nice guy who will take care of you the rest is easy 555
I would also look at rehabilitation centers. We have one in our market town. I knew a member of staff and he was on good money and conditions. A quick search yields these vacancies.
There are a number of FB Groups for teachers and they may be the best place to both seek work and to give you advice. I know of one in Korat but i have no idea which area you are most interested in going to. I will send you the Korat one and let you at least start with them.
consider where you would like to be based 1st . Id say come to that province or village . you need to get yoiur feet wet first, meet locals, find out what you can do to help develop with you knowledge . i too intend the same ,and am Married to THAI. been visiting here for 25 yrs im 77 looking to share with the village children , . consider coming on a tourist visa and learning the area and people my advantage family connections and meeting local professionals and living here . If you intend on coming and want to get involved on your schedule be prepaired. There are barriers that will hamper a quick transition . just my thoughts .
yes this is true at her age i think she has more hoops to jump than me thats why i stated my age for you to take that in consideration . sorry you can not benefit from my short post . I have quite a bit of exp. in the approach to this and my move has taken me 3 yrs to develop a workable plan . I am not trying to have a job to make money here that part of my life is thru. How ever if i was and young Thailand has a concern that i might take a job away from a Thai .
You need to do more research. As you won’t be working a livable wage.
English teachers don’t make much. At all and often are 3 month contracts. So you visa will always be needing to be redone through the school.
If they realize you are applying for work. You could get banned or fined or ?? It is enforced and frowned upon as it is seen as taking a Thai job.
You need a special skill or background in something I demand that a Thai person can’t do.
Teaching jobs that pay even close to decent by our standards you need a degree.
Most are retired or have an online job that is based on their home country.. if you could move and just work where ever. Everyone would do it. They protect themselves. You can’t own land there there either.
In fact they don’t even allow volunteering without a work visa.
Even on a tourist visa. You’ll need a return tickets and proof of accommodations.. doesn’t sound like you’ve really looked deep into this.
Where are you planning to “apply” usually you get a sponsorship from a job. But that is before you go. And like I said. It is hard to be approved.
Which schools are you looking at working? Have to contacted them for wages and contract lengths? Hours? They don’t hire you for a full school or anything.. and will dictate where you live.
Thai culture is tight knit and conservative… and they protect their land and work very strongly.
I have a bachelor’s degree and plan to pursue my master’s in the next 2–3 years to become a licensed therapist. I haven’t been to Thailand yet and I understand why they prioritize Thai citizens. It makes sense. I’ve had my first job interview via zoom and they offered a 1 year contract for 35K so you’re right about the pay not being great…That said tho compared to what I’m earning in Canada, most of my income here goes toward bills anyway which just isn’t helping me save much :(
This is sort of related. But please factor in health insurance while you are here... please. And realistically set budgets. There has been a massive wave of people moving here recently who do it on a whim, with some influencer knowledge and end up having to pack up and go home after just a few months.
The cost of living in Canada right now is honestly disgusting. it’s been really hard to save and even just stay afloat. So I completely understand why people are looking at other options. I’m just trying to save up for my master’s and gain some experience in the meantime 😭
Portia Kay the %s are pretty much the same in Thailand, as you would earn only slightly more than a local Thai. Ie you spend %of what you earn on accommodation travel food insurance *do NOT consider coming without it*
First off, July/August isn't a good time to look for teaching jobs. The second semester starts around November, so October is a good month to look. Are you from a Native speaking country? If so, with a certified degree, you have a good chance of finding a position. Non native speakers have a more difficult time finding jobs and also have to compete with others who will accept work for lesser salaries. You're in for a big surprise when you first get up in front of a classroom of Thai students. LOL
I actually have a bachelor’s degree in psychology Kimberly. I’m also planning on getting my master’s (once I have enough money saved up 😭)to become licensed.
just because I’m not standing in a classroom doesn’t mean I’m not qualified to work with kids. I work directly with teenagers in the system dealing with addiction and serious mental health issues. That’s real, hands on work where I’m supporting them one on one , helping them regulate, build life skills, and I’m constantly communicating with their families, caseworkers, and other professionals involved in their care. I think those were amazing skills to bring into education. But what do i know🤷🏾♀️
Kim Jones holy jumping jeepers, Kim. Ya didnt need three posts to get your message across. By the way, I will mention whatever I want to mention, who are you?
There are better groups to ask this in. MANY people come in on tourist visa or visa free and then find other avenues for visas. I did this when I retired here.
Let me try and find some other groups for you to ask and I'll come back and share the links. Best of luck!!
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